And that aziz story is a perfect story arc for season 3

definitely trust babe.net as an objective source. lol twitter reactions, they want the death penalty for anyone who makes an insensitive joke.

If I was a guy like Harvey weinstein I d be extactic witnessing that kind of story that are weakening any attempt to fix the real issue

Aziz's behaviour, as told, is extremely not cool.

i would say this was definitely worse than a 'bad date'

What, you guys don't use THE CLAW?

Yeah I'm sure they published it on Babe.net because real media are not looking for that kind of story with high profile guys involved.
Not that I don't think aziz as a person seems douchy and fake while I still love master of none

Umm, have you seen the list of media outlets that have picked up the story? By tomorrow the last of them will all have it.

all this is proof that millennials are really, really bad at sex.

Particularly pathetic. An adult would hash it out privately, dude gave a sincere no-contest no-blame apology. He'll probably act a little less ******ed in the future, she'll probably leave apartments quicker in the future when she's spooked, instead of giving consensual oral sex.
Subtext: I'm really good at sex

Definitely not a good look/***hole behavior, but I don't think it will derail his career like many of the other stories which came out other celebrities, which were primarily workplace-related.

this seems like a good opinion piece on that "article"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/o...ment.html?_r=0

I'm glad that ****ty article seems to fall flat I've seen a decent ammount of support for aziz in that wannabe scandal.

I wrote an article for my university's quarterly about this whole thing....it'll be awhile before it's out, so I thought I'd post it here for you guys:

#MeToo, Aziz Ansari, Cat Person,
And Why Yes Can Turn Into No


Feel free to comment about it or tell me I'm full of crap.

Solid article, imo. As a non-American my only addition would be that I think the whole culture of men "hunting" women, which then leads to confusion in males in situations like that, seems to be more of an American thing - or at least compared to Scandinavia. When I read about this whole Aziz incident, I basically had two thoughts: 1) Alright, this is not even in remotely in the same category as Weinstein, etc (I felt this way about Louis CK too, although to a lesser extent), and 2) Still, WTF how can he possibly act like that, that is absurd. But then I remembered that it actually *is* pretty normal for American males to pursue women/sex way beyond the point where they've already made it clear they aren't into it.

I also think it makes this more interesting that Aziz is like 5 feet 3 or something and is generally about the least threatening presence you can imagine. There's a realistic chance he's actually shorter than that girl. I'm not saying that it should matter, but just imagining the situation I think it'd be significantly more terrible for the girl if Aziz was a huge muscly dude who she has no control over.

IDK, it's definitely really ****ty behaviour by him, and if he was a Finnish celebrity he'd have been burned at stake. Given everything I think the amount of bad press he's received should be enough of a punishment if you ask me, and I don't think his career should really suffer from this aside from the fact that he probably won't putting himself out there for a while. Anyone putting him in the same category as these actual predators is an idiot, and your point about doing that messing up with the whole #metoo movement is extremely valid.


I think this does make the chances of MoN s3 ever happening quite a lot slimmer, though, as I suspect relationships/dating isn't something Aziz is going to be wanting to tackle in the near future in his art, and Netflix possibly wouldn't want to produce it either. But I don't think Aziz's career longer-term should really suffer from this much beyond that.

Chuck, good point that it might be a mostly American thing and not a universal male thing....I hadn't thought of that.

Also, as my GF as told me, when a guy goes on a date, the worst thing that can happen is a funny story; for a woman, the worst thing that can happen is she can be killed.

That kind of puts it into perspective - even a man as slight as Ansari is a threat.

How about rather than offering verbal and visual "clues" to her not wanting to go further, she makes it clear that she doesn't and then doesn't embarrass the guy publicly for taking too long to get her "clues." This isn't a game of Charades, but if it were then the person guessing is only as good as the person giving the clues.

I think what you're missing is that while her relating the experience anonymously in a magazine is obviously sketchy as hell, it doesn't mean that the experience itself was not traumatic for her and that Aziz acted horribly. They are not mutually exclusive.

Ansari story came across as a "lol even famous guy can be a sexual loser" inspired by, and payback for, a bad encounter. 'cat person' at least had a deeper conversation.

Shocking that men could still have such ignorance with the robust sex education these days.

The real scandal here is that aziz won a prize for his acting... Really just the association of those 2 words makes my head hurt

If she said, "You know, I'm just not into this. Sorry to lead you on, but I'm going to go," and then she left, it wouldn't have been traumatic for her at all. Instead, she went down on him multiple times and wondered why he wanted to escalate it to intercourse. She handled this situation as badly as he did, if not worse, and then she gets to anonymously embarrass a celebrity publicly over it.

Gaddy, I think you're missing the point. You and me can look at the situation logically and say, "hey, just say no and walk away." That makes sense to us. But that's not what's going on in a lot of women's minds. Women are often taught they have to assuage a man's ego and "go along" with it, even when they don't want to. THAT'S the discussion that needs to be had. She could have been excited to be there with a celebrity AND been uncomfortable with what Ansari was doing. Yes, that's confusing, but it's also confusing for her.

But I certainly see where you're coming from.

then have a discussion about that without trashing a guy who escalated as long as the girl kept going along and fully stopped literally as soon as she actually said "no." I mostly blame the hackjob reporter who probably pressured her into it and then edited to fit the agenda of a new buzzfeed level site looking for readers. what serious report on sexual assault starts with details on the wine color? even ****ing jezebel slammed it.

Yeah, I'm not defending the article or that reporter in any way. The article is awful.

But that doesn't stop the fact that most young men treat the women they have sex with as just some fu*kable hole, not as, you know, an actual human being.