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So... hearsay then. Is there any actual evidence? Is there a written complaint to her boss saying she didn't want to go out there? Any documentation of the towel incident? Anything?

You should probably understand what constitutes as "hersay" before using that word. If I hear you make a statement I can testify to what you said as long as my testimony is not used to prove what you said is true. For example, if you tell me you were very angry at someone and we are on trial to determine if you killed that person you statements to me can be testified as statements you made by me as a witness.

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01-20-2016 , 09:20 PM

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Never mind man. I guess the entire city had it out for him and conspired to frame him. She was last seen at his ****ing yard!

No, only about 4 people really had it out for him to save their asses from being investigated and losing personal assets.

The rest just bought into the vicious lies spread about him and his family in order to make it somewhat believable that he would commit this crime despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary.

It's really not that complicated.

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01-20-2016 , 09:21 PM

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Show me something besides a time he was a part of a GROUP of people that were intoxicated and killed a cat.

You did say characteristicS (plural) so show me something else.

Troll else where dip****.

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01-20-2016 , 09:21 PM

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Why not? THEY ALREADY DID IT ONCE!

And there you have it.

Another lie by the doc. They didn't frame or plant evidence to convict him in 1985. They just convicted him wrongly. Several different agencies who want to find police corruption determined this during his lawsuit.

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01-20-2016 , 09:22 PM

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They overlooked evidence and followed no other leads in order to get the conviction in 85. That's a frame job to any sane person.

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01-20-2016 , 09:23 PM

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I have heard this many times, but haven't actually seen it as part of the evidence. Is there anything that proves that her co-workers said these things? If so, can you point me to them?

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01-20-2016 , 09:24 PM

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They overlooked evidence and followed no other leads in order to get the conviction in 85. That's a frame job to any sane person.

Not to mention you overlooking the very well framed profile drawing that that one guy was really really proud of.

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01-20-2016 , 09:26 PM

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They overlooked evidence and followed no other leads in order to get the conviction in 85. That's a frame job to any sane person.

Bad police work is not a frame job, and I do not even know if I would go as far as saying it was bad police work. They didn't have dna testing then. Someone picked him out of a line up, and he had previously committed sexual crimes in the area. In 1985 that was pretty standard for a conviction of rape.

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01-20-2016 , 09:26 PM

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Remember this? Framejob, literally and figuratively. I don't see how this isn't the most obvious framing of someone innocent that has ever occurred.

They also got Patty to think it was SA, which is someone who was probably fairly bright. Just imagine how easy BD was.

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01-20-2016 , 09:27 PM

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I have heard this many times, but haven't actually seen it as part of the evidence. Is there anything that proves that her co-workers said these things? If so, can you point me to them?

Just their statements. I am not sure if they testified in the trial though. I never cared about that much because I do not find that evidence to be very damning either way.

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01-20-2016 , 09:28 PM

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Holy **** man, someone picked him out of a lineup after a detective drew his picture and said "This was the guy you were describing, do you see him in this lineup" what the **** is bad police work to you if that isn't it?

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01-20-2016 , 09:29 PM

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Someone picked him out of a line up, and he had previously committed sexual crimes in the area. In 1985 that was pretty standard for a conviction of rape.

Ummm...huh?

PoorSkillz needs to get you boys on track. Now you're just running rampant.

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01-20-2016 , 09:29 PM

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There is little evidence that that is how it happened. Even so, this is not framing, just bad police work. Framing would be if they knowingly had someone they didn't think committed the crime convicted. That didn't happen.

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01-20-2016 , 09:30 PM

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Just their statements. I am not sure if they testified in the trial though. I never cared about that much because I do not find that evidence to be very damning either way.

Wait, how can you say it was "just their statements"? Did you HEAR them SAY it?

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01-20-2016 , 09:31 PM

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Ummm...huh?

PoorSkillz needs to get you boys on track. Now you're just running rampant.

You must not be that familiar with rape convictions. Often times all it takes is the victims testimony and it was most certainly easier before dna.

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Not that it couldn't have been just about anyone. The car could have been moved by the police, but if the key, blood and dna are planted, how is SA any more likely guilty than Brendan, Bobby, Blaine Dassey, Scott Tadych, or Alan Avery? Yeah, he called her - but that works both ways.

If anything is planted (the key almost for sure), how can anything else be given any credence?

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01-20-2016 , 09:31 PM

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Wait, how can you say it was "just their statements"? Did you HEAR them SAY it?

Smh, I need to directly witness something to determine it was true? I already said I didn't care that much about whether or not they said this or if she was creeped out by him. It doesn't matter much.

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Framing would be if they knowingly had someone they didn't think committed the crime convicted. That didn't happen.

Oh man...just...oh man.

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01-20-2016 , 09:32 PM

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Someone show me any news story that says

1, teressa's blood was found in the back of the car.

2, that stevan's dna was found on the hood latch of the car

3, that stevan avery owned shackles

4, that teressa was shot more than once on the left side of her head.

I will wait.

jery get ipad.

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01-20-2016 , 09:32 PM

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Um what? It was his gun that killed her, his blood in her car,his dna on her hood latch and BD said it was him. Holy ****.

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01-20-2016 , 09:32 PM

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Framing would be if they knowingly had someone they didn't think committed the crime convicted.

lol no

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01-20-2016 , 09:35 PM

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You must not be that familiar with rape convictions. Often times all it takes is the victims testimony and it was most certainly easier before dna.

The victim in that case didn't go: oh, it was SA. A sketch artist drew SA from looking at a picture of him, not from her description and then the police suggested that it was him. He fit the basic description was the entirety of the case, other than the police directing the identification.

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01-20-2016 , 09:36 PM

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Well unfortunately, this little tangent started because truefish said:

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Teresa being very uncomfortable is all I really need.

That's all the jury seemed to need as well, not to mention the other "Avery's a monster" believers ITT. So it would seem pretty important to understand if/why the co-workers said this at all. So did they?

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Um what? It was his gun that killed her, his blood in her car,his dna on her hood latch and BD said it was him. Holy ****.

There is a bullet that may have come from his gun that had her dna, unless it was contaminated.

If the police planted anything, then nothing that could have been easily planted (dna on the bullet or door latch) can be trusted. Holy ****. And then you have no idea if that gun killed her.