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01-13-2016 , 04:53 PM
The ex boyfriend or (brother) though!
How can he not know if it was light or dark when he last saw her?
Furthermore, he checks her voice mails and deletes messages! Why?
To randomly figure out her password by trial and error.
Omg this guy(s).
01-13-2016 , 05:07 PM
Brendan Dassey would have admitted to shooting JFK. His confession was so ludicrous.

I always thought that his defense lawyers should show him confessing to other murders to discredit this confession.
01-13-2016 , 05:08 PM
I got the impression that something was fake about Jodi's demeanor in "Making a Murderer". I've only watched the doc once but something felt off about her half smile and the way she spoke in those clips while being interviewed. Even when speaking on the phone with Stephen who you'd think she'd be comfortable speaking with she came off a bit strange. It's possible she was just uncomfortable on camera or being recorded but it felt sort of staged on her part to me.

However I just watched the quick clip posted a few pages back and she still has that stupid half smile while speaking on camera so maybe I'm a bit off on my read here.
01-13-2016 , 05:19 PM
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but it felt sort of staged on her part to me
I can think of 36 million reasons why. Or maybe it's just that she's an alcoholic from a small town now under the spotlight.

In any case, can't wait for the interview tonight!
01-13-2016 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911 Making a Murderer
I say we start a change.org petition to get Steven released from prison on the condition both lostinthesaus and poorskillz risk life in prison on his retrial (with SA walking free). If found guilty lostinthesaus goes to prison, if not poorskillz goes to prison.
I think we should get him released and have him move in with lostinthesaus. We can then take odds on how long lostinthesaus continues to stay alive after living with what his gf of 2 years calls a "monster."
01-13-2016 , 06:15 PM
Unfortunately, Lostinthe wouldn't realize how wrong he was until it's too late.
01-13-2016 , 07:07 PM
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I think we should get him released and have him move in with lostinthesaus. We can then take odds on how long lostinthesaus continues to stay alive
Doesn't seem like anyone that has every lived with him has been in any danger.

I wouldn't want to be a cat with him and his drunk friends when he was 20, that's for sure.
01-13-2016 , 07:08 PM
With lostinsauce, it would be consensual.
01-13-2016 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by prana Making a Murderer
"So what if the key was planted." Ken Kratz
And the sickening thing is the jury probably ate this up
01-13-2016 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Manitowoc County was not leading the investigation in any way, this has been established. They didn't want her investigating because she was the Manitowoc County coroner, so they used the Calumet County coroner instead for the obvious "conflict of interest" PR reasons.

If they had used the Manitowoc County coroner, I guarantee she would have been dragged through the mud by Strang & Buting.
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
https://imgur.com/a/vgV9B
Poorskillz?
Or this photo, did Colborn replace the remote,paper & the objects back into the cabinet before he took the photo?
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Did you know that:- Mantiowoc County Public Safety minitues for 12-6-05 shows 744hrs + $2800 of sheriffs time billed in 1st month TH investigation. 744hrs=31days. Plus DA Mark Rohrer was at these meetings disscusing the case when they're supposed to have turned it over Kratz.
^^FACTS
Reasonabledoubt.

Poorskillz has selective memory syndrome.

Add to the FACT that K.Kratz was a addicted DRUG user & used his power as a prosecutor to commit sexual offences why is he not being investigated as a possible suspect.
Also the email he sent to try & defend his actions.WOW
ALL stuff never spoken about by poorskillz.
Jodi was/is an alcoholic.
100% Fact Never ever can you trust what a drug addict/alcoholic says or does. FACT.
01-13-2016 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
So many people here are crying "wahhh the jury was biased because of the media coverage", yet these people know Steven's not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt because they watched a Netflix doc about the trial... making them exactly the type of people who should not be on a jury to begin with.

Anyone else see the irony, or am I taking crazy pills?
You said the police department has integrity. It is you with no logic or reasoning skills that has no business on a jury. And you are just the type of gullible sap the prosecution would want to pick for the jury.
01-13-2016 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Drinking on the job much guys? NP

Commit perjury much guys?(Lenk)

Wow many victims of G.Allen have come forward poorskillz after SA was convicted in the 1st trial.
You have continually avoided this Q ITT. any REASON why?
MaM Episode1 in case you forgot.
01-13-2016 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator Making a Murderer
Does everyone in Wisconsin really have such bad hair? They all look like they shampoo with engine degreaser and let their cat lick their hair into shape.
some of them let their dogs lick their hair into shape instead.
01-13-2016 , 07:35 PM
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Wow many victims of G.Allen have come forward poorskillz after SA was convicted in the 1st trial.
You have continually avoided this Q ITT. any REASON why?
I'm not trying to sound sarcastic here (unlike my other posts) but what is the Q?
01-13-2016 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
We don't know all the details and there's all kinds of scenarios we can come up with. Even Brendan gives one scenario (I don't believe he was coerced into saying this part, but could be wrong), saying Avery put her in there to try to dispose of her another way, then decided to burn her instead).



By the time it was a homicide investigation, literally every piece of evidence pointed to Avery family, and specifically Steven, as a suspect. No evidence pointed to the family/close friends as suspects.




There's 2 pieces of evidence tape. We don't know how often the box was accessed legally. Maybe the jurors knew.




Manitowoc cops were allowed to be there by Calumet. We see a press conference saying they weren't used - I'd like to know the date of this press conference and I'd like to know how the cops being there was explained to the jury though.
Someone forgot to sign out once.
All the relevant Avery/Dassey family were interviewed and had DNA taken. No evidence they were ignored.
yet the scumbag kratz never makes this argument.
01-13-2016 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3 Making a Murderer
I got the impression that something was fake about Jodi's demeanor in "Making a Murderer". I've only watched the doc once but something felt off about her half smile and the way she spoke in those clips while being interviewed. Even when speaking on the phone with Stephen who you'd think she'd be comfortable speaking with she came off a bit strange. It's possible she was just uncomfortable on camera or being recorded but it felt sort of staged on her part to me.

However I just watched the quick clip posted a few pages back and she still has that stupid half smile while speaking on camera so maybe I'm a bit off on my read here.
I think she's just a loony ***** involved in a typical trailer trash relationship with abuse and stupidity going both ways followed by a bunch of "i love you baby" romantic dinners of steak with ketchup.
01-13-2016 , 08:02 PM
Itt poorskillz doesn't understand the use of security tape on evidence.

People don't randomly open up sealed evidence. There would be a log as to why it was accessed and by whom. It wouldn't be retapped with scotch tape. That evidence tape uses a very strong adhesive so it can't be removed from evidence (duh).

Once again poorskillz takes all his information from the least credible people surrounding this case. Still and always ridiculous.

Please list all the reasons random and unknown people would have to access that evidence, which is a blood vial. Again it's either corruption or gross negligence. Both are equally strong when it comes to doubting the case and the evidence. Many of the key pieces of evidence are tainted by the reality the police planted/manipulated evidence and/or incompetently managed it. When you have piece after piece of evidence and law enforcement behavior hit that bar the rest is silly.

#reasonabledoubt
01-13-2016 , 08:10 PM
http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-an...=vicetwitterus

He pegs police corruption in exoneration cases at 50%. He lays out some pretty straight forward motivations for why this happens (none have to do with things like being sued).

Note: exoneration cases are cases like Avery's original case. Where someone is CONVICTED then later exonerated. 50% is a scary number.

Maybe I should anonymously post on Reddit so it has more credibility for poorskillz.
01-13-2016 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman Making a Murderer
http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-an...=vicetwitterus

He pegs police corruption in exoneration cases at 50%. He lays out some pretty straight forward motivations for why this happens (none have to do with things like being sued).

Note: exoneration cases are cases like Avery's original case. Where someone is CONVICTED then later exonerated. 50% is a scary number.

Maybe I should anonymously post on Reddit so it has more credibility for poorskillz.
BUT DA STATE SAID THE ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION WAS LEGIT.
01-13-2016 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman Making a Murderer
http://www.vice.com/read/we-asked-an...=vicetwitterus

He pegs police corruption in exoneration cases at 50%. He lays out some pretty straight forward motivations for why this happens (none have to do with things like being sued).

Note: exoneration cases are cases like Avery's original case. Where someone is CONVICTED then later exonerated. 50% is a scary number.

Maybe I should anonymously post on Reddit so it has more credibility for poorskillz.
well said
01-13-2016 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
...now now, wait just a god damn minute. All you saw was what the biased folks who made documentary wanted you to see. How can you know this for sure? After all, there's lots of facts and evidence that was left out.

Read the incredible book that Wisconsin District Attorney turned author Michael Griesbach wrote. Here's a body of work that was written by a mos-def-not-biased-or-interest-conflicted hero that very accurately portrays what really happened; all in an eloquent style that Haseeb Qureshi himself would be proud of. It has a lot of weight because Jim Lenk and Andrew "Andy" Colborn are his colleagues and friends and are "two of the most honest and ethical cops I've ever worked with" so you rest assured, these facts are legit.
The best part is Greisbach participates in this thread under the pseudonym poorskillz, so we get to discuss his unbiased understanding of events with him directly.

To clarify he did not give up his day job of locking up the Satan spawn in Wisconsin, he just moonlights as author.
01-13-2016 , 08:28 PM
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BUT DA STATE SAID THE ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION WAS LEGIT.
Yeah, seems like they toss that "legit" word around in a rather, ahem, whimsical way.

Crime labs are legit too eh?

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The work of up to six state Crime Laboratory analysts whose negligence or misconduct may have jeopardized forensic test results should be independently investigated, the attorney for convicted murderer Steven Avery argues in a complaint filed this week.

That those analysts – all of whom were disciplined for their actions – were investigated internally by the state Department of Justice and not an outside agency may also have violated the terms of federal grants supporting the lab, the attorney said. In an 11-page complaint filed Monday, Jerome Buting said the DOJ is obliged to launch an independent inquiry into the work of the analysts as a condition of the $578,000 in federal funds the crime lab has received since 2005.

Buting, of Brookfield, argued that an “external and independent” probe should be launched because “actual perpetrators of the crimes...may have eluded justice...(and) innocent individuals may have been convicted with the aid of shoddy DOJ laboratory forensics.”

DOJ spokesman Kevin St. John said his agency will review Buting’s complaint “to determine whether any of his speculation has a basis that merits additional follow up.” But he downplayed the complaint, saying all the incidents were investigated. Officials will
review whether a broader investigation of the analysts’ work is warranted, he said.
Seems like they pulled they old "we have confirmed all is legit by investigating ourselves" trick.
01-13-2016 , 08:35 PM
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Unfortunately, Lostinthe wouldn't realize how wrong he was until it's too late.
Thankfully:

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To clarify he did not give up his day job of locking up the Satan spawn in Wisconsin, he just moonlights as author.
01-13-2016 , 08:36 PM
That seems like a systematic problem in Wisconsin. They have no legitimate checks and balances for law enforcement and everything reviewed is done with incestuous ties. Such an environment makes the likelihood of officers and prosecutors doing things they should not be doing much greater.

Bottom line is there is literally no oversight of any part of the justice system, at any level, in Wisconsin. The entire state has been shown as being corrupt and/or incompetent. Not a single state agency has been shown in this fiasco (inside or outside the documentary) to have any integrity.

Wisconites need to be demanding a special prosecutor be brought in from out of state to investigate the totality of the Wisconsin legal system, it's systemic cover ups, corruption and incompetence.
01-13-2016 , 08:45 PM
That interview with Jody is rather hilarious, she is straight up smiling when asked how he threatened to kill her.

She sure did not "remember" a lot of stuff. All throughout the interview her eyes look like they are about to cry but her mouth is smiling, it's pretty weird.

Also she says the police ordered him to stay away from her, is there any info on that? And also she says he threatened her over the phone while in custody, so there should be a record of that too.

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