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01-12-2016 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
The first sentence can be interpreted as "people are certain beyond a reasonable doubt Steven is [not guilty]" while the second sentence means "people are not certain he is [guilty beyond reasonable doubt]".
Ok, well I am saying "yet these people know Steven's not (guilty beyond a reasonable doubt)"

which is the same thing as

"yet these people know Steven should've been found (not guilty) because there's reasonable doubt"

imo
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01-12-2016 , 02:05 PM
I genuinely can't tell if PoorSkillz is smart or dumb at this point. Either way, I give up on this argument.
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01-12-2016 , 02:05 PM
Just want to state, this is how Colborn was actually involved in the 1995 call:

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Colborn testified he was a corrections officer at the Manitowoc County jail in the mid-1990s, when he got a call from an officer from another agency saying someone in their custody may have committed an assault in Manitowoc County. Colborn said he transferred the call to a detective since he wasn't yet a sworn deputy. Avery wasn't mentioned.
http://lacrossetribune.com/breakingn...f7d2d52c6.html

Wow. Such motive.
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01-12-2016 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin21
What about the detective (Lenk?) lying about what time he arrived at the car yard at? Lol

First of all he said 6ish? Then it went to 2ish during the trial. I mean wtf, even little details like that have to have had you thinking there was something seriously wrong here.

I've finished watching the series n all but will def read up more on it.
I thought that Lenk and the DA must have colluded before Lenk went on the stand, like "Just say you got there at 2pm before notes were being taken on arrivals/departures".

Only to forget about his earlier report that he arrived at 6-7pm.
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01-12-2016 , 02:19 PM
01-12-2016 , 02:31 PM
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Burrows spent nearly five years on death row until Zellner persuaded the real killer to confess at the post-conviction hearing.
WTF?
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01-12-2016 , 02:32 PM
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01-12-2016 , 02:46 PM
Binged this the last 2 days.

I'M 50/50 on whether SA is guilty but there is no way I would have found him guilty. The entire police department is shady as hell, obviously planted evidence and the entire thing is such a disgrace filled with corruption and abuse of power.

Anyone who was able to find Bendan guilty should be sterilized.
When he asked the cops if he would be out by 1:29 for 6th hour because he had a project due my jaw hit the floor.
He would have confessed to killing JFK if those cops told him to and gave him a sandwich.

I can't understand how two people can go to jail for the same killing that the prosecutor is able to say happened two different ways.

In Kratz closing arguments he basically tells the jury to ignore the obviously planted car key since there is other evidence and that by saying SA didn't commit the murder they are saying the cops killed her.I guess he got the verdict he wanted, but when I heard that i thought what a terrible laughably flawed disingenuous argument from a corrupt hack.

The fake holier than thou moral outrage by the police department over"how dare anyone accuse us over corruption" was beyond offensive. Not only do cops lie all the time and cover each other's asses, in this case the "offended" police department is the same one that railroded the guy on trial into an 18 year jail sentence and one that was supposed to have nothing to do with the current case.

It's also scary that thing like this aren't terrible uncommon. And in the days before DNA it had to be even worse. Same with confessions. When you see how Brendan was made to "confess" it makes you throw up. But before it was video taped you would have only got to read his written statement, seen the pictures he drew and had no idea how coerced it was.

For the people that loved this watch "The Seven Five" on showtime. It's about 2 hours and a documentary about corrupt NYC cops in the 80s which they are interviewing for the documentary.

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01-12-2016 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Binged this the last 2 days.

I'M 50/50 on whether SA is guilty but there is no way I would have found him guilty. The entire police department is shady as hell, obviously planted evidence and the entire thing is such a disgrace filled with corruption and abuse of power.

Anyone who was able to find Bendan guilty should be sterilized.
When he asked the cops if he would be out by 1:29 for 6th hour because he had a project due my jaw hit the floor.
He would have confessed to killing JFK if those cops told him to and gave him a sandwich.

I can't understand how two people can go to jail for the same killing that the prosecutor is able to say happened two different ways.

In Kratz closing arguments he basically tells the jury to ignore the obviously planted car key since there is other evidence and that by saying SA didn't commit the murder they are saying the cops killed her.I guess he got the verdict he wanted, but when I heard that i thought what a terrible laughably flawed disingenuous argument from a corrupt hack.

The fake holier than thou moral outrage by the police department over"how dare anyone accuse us over corruption" was beyond offensive. Not only do cops lie all the time and cover each other's asses, in this case the "offended" police department is the same one that railroded the guy on trial into an 18 year jail sentence and one that was supposed to have nothing to do with the current case.

It's also scary that thing like this aren't terrible uncommon. And in the days before DNA it had to be even worse. Same with confessions. When you see how Brendan was made to "confess" it makes you throw up. But before it was video taped you would have only got to read his written statement, seen the pictures he drew and had no idea how coerced it was.

For the people that loved this watch "The Seven Five" on showtime. It's about 2 hours and a documentary about corrupt NYC cops in the 80s which they are interviewing for the documentary.
Emphatically +1
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01-12-2016 , 03:39 PM
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I'M 50/50 on whether SA is guilty but there is no way I would have found him guilty. The entire police department is shady as hell, obviously planted evidence and the entire thing is such a disgrace filled with corruption and abuse of power.
How can this be a flip? HOW!?!?!?!
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01-12-2016 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
How can this be a flip? HOW!?!?!?!
either he's guilty or he's not, 50-50
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01-12-2016 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
My first thought upon seeing that lawyer.

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01-12-2016 , 03:53 PM
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But before it was video taped you would have only got to read his written statement, seen the pictures he drew and had no idea how coerced it was.
The incredible irony is that the Avery Bill, the bill that required that all police interviews be videod was passed by the legislature on the very day SA is supposed to have murdered Teresa. You can't make this sh*t up!
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01-12-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TimTimSalabim
That one will be easy to cast when they make the movie

Damn didn't realise I'd been beaten to it.
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01-12-2016 , 04:09 PM
I read "The Innocent Man"- John Grishham a few years back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_In...n_a_Small_Town

This whole case bears striking resemblance to what happened to Ron Williamson

-Bit of a thick person with a history of trouble accused of murder.
-Corrupt small town DA/Police
-Guy spends years on death row and comes within weeks of Death Penalty being carried out before Judge reviews the case and brings it to appeal.
-Very dodgy "dream confessions" by naïve kids
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01-12-2016 , 04:29 PM
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I read "The Innocent Man"- John Grishham a few years back.
Ahh yeah same. And the only "motive" these cops had was pressure to solve the case. But definitely very similar and quite a good read.
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01-12-2016 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
I think he did it. I admit alot of the evidence is questionable but there are two things that make me think he is guilty. First the girl just disappeared off the face of the earth after meeting with him. Second, maybe the key and his blood in her car could have been planted but no way the cops are gonna plant her bones in Avery's fire pit. If the cops wanted to get rid of Avery over his lawsuit it would have been much easier to just plant a kilo of heroin or coke on him.

I really don't see the cops saying "Well someone murdered this girl but f it, let's let him go free and take this body and her car and plant it on Steve's property."
Why not?they let a rapist knowingly go free and rape again.

And let's say they plant drugs on him-good chance he only gets time served if he's found guilty.
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01-12-2016 , 05:01 PM
I'm guessing these were posted elsewhere in this thread, but its at least a easy to read list, with some damn good **** in it:

http://www.avclub.com/article/read-p...t-makin-230634
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01-12-2016 , 05:04 PM


sick life
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01-12-2016 , 05:28 PM
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Tricia Bushnell, legal director for the Midwest Innocence Project in Kansas City, is joining a group of attorneys representing Steven Avery. Avery is a Wisconsin murder defendant and subject of the Netflix documentary: “Making a Murderer.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...#storylink=cpy
I think the significance of the Innocence Project rejoining SA's side is huge.

#109andcounting
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01-12-2016 , 05:40 PM
Seems like some fair weather bull**** to me. They remove him from the site, disassociate with him and now that the public is behind SA they hop back on board?

Seems like they are seeking goodwill, not justice.
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01-12-2016 , 05:43 PM
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I'm guessing these were posted elsewhere in this thread, but its at least a easy to read list, with some damn good **** in it:

http://www.avclub.com/article/read-p...t-makin-230634
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In between 3:30 and 4 p.m., a propane delivery truck driver (John Leurquin) saw a green SUV leaving the Avery property but couldn’t identify the driver or if it was a male or female.
big omission because who was driving it and where?
Either way, prosecutor's story that it all happened in the compound has another huge flaw.
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01-12-2016 , 05:55 PM
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Ahh yeah same. And the only "motive" these cops had was pressure to solve the case. But definitely very similar and quite a good read.
Similar to Avery's 1985 rape conviction, the prosecution appeared to know that Glen Gore was actually responsible but went after Ron anyway. Baffling??!!
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01-12-2016 , 06:30 PM
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This is a generalization, but people who sign a petition for the president to pardon a criminal for a state crime based on a Netflix show they watched... those aren't exactly the kind of people who have any actual say in the world (at least I hope not).
Yeah, well far better than these guys having a say in the world:

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01-12-2016 , 06:35 PM
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Threatening people is not consistent with actually doing it. While I wouldn't rule out Avery beeing guilty. It's a stretch to think he is a murderer because he killed a cat 30 years ago and acted like a moron most of his life
But if you have a history of violence and threatening to kill people (like point a gun at someone or beating the **** out of your gf to the point of having a restraining order against you), I'm not gonna be particularly shocked to hear you actually killed someone.
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