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Originally Posted by smacc25
That's the thing CV, we're not disputing that mistakes happen, what we're saying is the system US/UK can and should be improved, we have great thinkers who also believe this & I'm sure you do too? If that is indeed the case can you show me some cases where innocent people were wrongfully convicted.
Any imperfect fallible system can always do with reform & plenty of cases exist where factually innocent people were wrongfully convicted, Avery being a prime example when wrongfully convicted of rape. In terms of investigation he was a reasonable suspect, but happened to be innocent & got done due to a flawed system. In the UK you had the Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, Stefan Kiszko, in Ireland Dean Lyons (a case where a false confession did occur, which nobody is arguing against also.) In the US apart from Avery I believe the San Antonio Four were more than likely innocent & was glad they got their certificate of innocence.
Craig Coley is another good example of factually innocent people being wrongfully convicted in his case for nearly 40 years.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1DN1XK
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California Governor Jerry Brown pardoned 70-year-old Craig Coley on Wednesday and prison officials quickly set him free, according to prosecutors and police in Simi Valley, where the double-slaying occurred.
Local authorities in Simi Valley, a community just outside Los Angeles, supported the governor’s decision.
“The grace with which Mr. Coley has endured his lengthy and unjust incarceration is extraordinary,” Brown wrote in the two-page document ordering Coley’s release. “I grant this pardon because Mr. Coley did not commit these crimes.”
People like Mr Coley who lost nearly four decades of his life have my genuine & deepest sympathies.
But again nobody is arguing such things don't occur, or indeed frame ups by corrupt elements of LE, but not only is there no evidence of a frame up in the Teresa Halbach case, it doesn't even sound plausible or credible for several pertinent valid reasons, which have already been thoroughly covered itt.
But posting links to stories about corrupt LE, withheld evidence or wrongful convictions in general in no way helps supporters case here as again nobody is arguing such things don't happen, the reasoning among supporters appears to be that they happen ergo happened here, which is where the illogicality comes into play.
Only relevant things supporters can do is provide exculpatory evidence, evidence of corruption, cite clear inarguable examples of unfair due process or coercion & habeas violations re Dassey, if they wish to be taken seriously. Everything else is just blah, really.
But wrongful convictions of factual innocents absolutely exist & it's sad you people waste your time advocating for people who are in fact truly guilty AF & prioritize baseless implausible conspiracy theories over the evidence which is extraordinarily disrespectful to the victim, her family & investigators who did an honest job convicting both & for which no evidence exists of misconduct on their part. It's a pity you don't campaign for those who very probably are innocent & wrongfully convicted, instead of innocence fraudsters like Avery & Dassey.
Last edited by corpus vile; 01-23-2019 at 06:10 PM.