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So this study says that 13.5% or 40 million of Americans are living below the poverty line & that 100 million or 1/3 of the country are near the poverty line. But GDP and the most millionaires over 50 million.

Recent census data shows that half the population qualifies as poor or low income,[14] with one in five Millennials living in poverty.[15] Academic contributors to The Routledge Handbook of Poverty in the United States postulate that new and extreme forms of poverty have emerged in the U.S. as a result of neoliberal structural adjustment policies and globalization, which have rendered economically marginalized communities as destitute "surplus populations" in need of control and punishment.[16]

But hey we have the best GDP.

The US economic system makes most of its people poor. Highest incarceration rate. Thousands dying unnecessarily every year due to inadequate healthcare system.

That is a failed system.

But you won't be able to get someone wearing a Trump hat see that.

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01-21-2019 , 07:47 AM

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Nonsense?

"...a bed on which he [Steven Avery] romanced many women."

I know you and your buddy corpus find Steven to be irresistibly sexy, but I'd like to see your documentation for this claim.

LOL

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01-21-2019 , 07:52 AM

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Sir, I’ve not asked you for evidence disproving Avery’s guilt. My challenge to you was for evidence of involvement of anyone else. You’ve failed.
#epicfail

Yes, your posts are epic fails.

Since we know Steven did not commit any crime against Teresa, it could only be someone else.

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01-21-2019 , 11:41 AM

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Proof? Man, I’ve asked you repeatedly for evidence that someone other than Avery killed TH. I’ll make a deal with you, you provide some actual evidence and I will. You go first.

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enjoy the read...

Now Where's mine

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01-21-2019 , 08:48 PM

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Spoiler:

enjoy the read...

Now Where's mine

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01-22-2019 , 08:46 AM

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A case with some similar aspects from the 1980s. A 'tough on crime' DA, along with corrupt and incompetent law enforcement in Kern County, California uses coerced testimony and suppression of exculpatory evidence to put innocent people in prison.

An article about the scandal:

https://www.turnto23.com/longform/a-...clear-his-name

The criminals who destroyed all these innocent people's lives were never punished.

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01-22-2019 , 11:49 AM

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I mean. I know that's an awful story, but my reaction was to burst out laughing at that drawing. Never seen it before.

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A poster who's a lawyer commented on this, but it's been removed or I can't seem to find it anymore, basically said that it's not unusual for the DA's to hide exculpatory evidence.

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01-22-2019 , 11:56 AM

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that **** happens all the time..

at the DA office i worked at, one of my "colleagues" induced a plea on a public defender client through lying to the court of a witnesses status and intention. the witness had recanted the story, and refused to show up to court, the ada told the court and the defense that the witness was there and ready to testify and that if the witness came down all thoughts of plea agreements were gone.

the guy weighed the option of being in custody for another few months if not a year awaiting trial vs taking a probation plea deal and being able to get out and work and support his family and took the plea..

the public defender eventually found out that the ADA had been withholding evidence and lying to the court about the witness and the entire DA office saw nothing wrong with what the ada did and the office supported the ada in the bar proceedings.

eta- everyone at the office thought it was just a good "bluff". lying about witness testimony and not handing over exculpatory statements and evidence...

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Found it...

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01-22-2019 , 12:00 PM

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So this happened:

1. Man is (wrongfully) arrested for murder
2. Prosecutor in the case withholds key exculpatory evidence
3. Man is (wrongfully) convicted, sentenced to death, spends 10 years on death row
4. Man's (wrongful) conviction finally overturned
5. State bar association has no issue with what prosecutor did, per his attorney

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We're not gonna police the police so I guess it should come as no surprise that we won't police prosecutors either

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Found it...

And more....

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01-22-2019 , 12:19 PM

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A poster who's a lawyer commented on this, but it's been removed or I can't seem to find it anymore, basically said that it's not unusual for the DA's to hide exculpatory evidence.

IMO prosecutors who convict innocent people by hiding evidence should be given the same sentence of their victims were, whether it be life behind bars or execution.

Same for law enforcement employees who plant or manufacture evidence.

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01-22-2019 , 01:21 PM

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And more....

That Dan Rizzo is a scumbag, in the mold of Ken 'The Creep' Kratz.

Brown always said that a landline call he made from his girlfriend's house around the time of the killings would show he wasn't there, but officials said they had no record of the call. In 2008, Rizzo signed a sworn affidavit saying he did not withhold any phone records that could have been used in Brown's defense.

But during the appeals process in 2013, McDaniel, the police investigator, found the records in his garage. As a result of the find, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals granted Brown a new trial, and ultimately then-District Attorney Devon Anderson decided not to take the case back to court.

For years, officials said the failure to turn over the phone records was "inadvertent." But the email unearthed last year showed that McDaniel told Rizzo about the records in 2003, months before Brown was sentenced to death.

It's not clear whether Rizzo read that email — and Tritico maintains that he did not — but two days after receiving it he signed a four-page subpoena order almost identical to one attached to the email.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...f-13549558.php

It's like these sociopaths like to hold onto the withheld exculpatory evidence the way serial killers collect 'trophies' of their victims.

In the Steven Avery case it's the computer report they withheld from defense in a clear cut Brady violation that showed their star witness was a torture and rape porn addict (like they tried to portray Steven as).

Funny how Peterson in the 1985 frameup of Steven kept evidence against Gregory Allen in his safe. The criminal mind seems to follow a sick pattern.

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01-22-2019 , 01:53 PM

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Some posters were saying the same in the Law & Order thread that they deserve the same time as the defendant would receive.... Crooked Cops deserve to be in with the rest of the general population and let the prisoners decide imo. None of this protection, that would in my and others opinion would be the best solution to clean out the ****... And there's a lot of **** to be cleaned.
That's there biggest fear.

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There seems to be a lot of shielding these dirtbags, getting a slap on the wrist, or at worst just getting a transfer. A lot like how the Cathloic Church treats pedophile priests.

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As for the keeping of evidence, it must be the souvenir aspect that gets them.... Or maybe there not in total control of it and would ring bells if ithe evidence in question disappeared......

Very few people are able to commit crime/Lies without tells.. I guess its why some people are better than others at thee pokerzzz

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01-22-2019 , 02:04 PM

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There seems to be a lot of shielding these dirtbags, getting a slap on the wrist, or at worst just getting a transfer. A lot like how the Cathloic Church treats pedophile priests.

It's the group think mentality, work as a team and it ain't just the churches it's Everywhere in Schools, Hostels, Kids Homes, Foster care... The ****ing lot. Even Olympic gymnastics...

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01-22-2019 , 02:06 PM

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Fortunately a lot has been exposed in recent years... And most institutions are safe nowadays (except the Cathloic Church and others) I believe...

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In the UK the 2 person rule has made a vast difference, that there must be Atleast a friend of the child or another adult in close proximity, and weather not unforced in some workplaces most 99.9999% adults here use it.

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01-22-2019 , 02:34 PM

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As for the keeping of evidence, it must be the souvenir aspect that gets them.... Or maybe there not in total control of it and would ring bells if the evidence in question disappeared......

Very few people are able to commit crime/Lies without tells.. I guess its why some people are better than others at thee pokerzzz

There's also the belief among these kinds of crooks that they are invulnerable, so they're not too worried about keeping mementos that remind them of how clever they are.

The people who helped frame Steven Avery didn't count on a documentary film crew being on hand to expose their shenanigans to the world.

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It's the group think mentality, work as a team and it ain't just the churches it's Everywhere in Schools, Hostels, Kids Homes, Foster care... The ****ing lot. Even Olympic gymnastics...

It's a troublesome aspect of human nature that a lot of people adopt an 'us against them' attitude that helps justify protecting members of their own tribe.

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Fortunately a lot has been exposed in recent years... And most institutions are safe nowadays (except the Catholic Church and others) I believe...

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In the UK the 2 person rule has made a vast difference, that there must be At least a friend of the child or another adult in close proximity, and weather not unforced in some workplaces most 99.9999% adults here use it.

Some professions seem to attract exactly the wrong sort of person who can't be trusted in positions of authority over others.

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The blue code is the strongest I'd say, even when a whistle-blower speaks up there life/job is usually gone.

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01-22-2019 , 06:40 PM

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Found it...

Thanks for the quotes

https://books.google.ie/books?id=Hw0...0cheit&f=false

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It may be that all of the acts actually occurred and that later recantations by Brandon & Brian Kniffen are fabrications as a result of family pressure or personal guilt

^^ Judge who reversed Mcluan/Kniffen conviction

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01-22-2019 , 06:42 PM

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Still not sure what any of this has to do with Steven Avery rottingbin prison as he should for murder.

Nor is it a particularly good example to give anyway, some of those involved in the Kern county case may not be necessarily as innocent as the narrative dictates.

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01-22-2019 , 07:11 PM

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The blue code is the strongest I'd say, even when a whistle-blower speaks up there life/job is usually gone.

Challenge corrupt cops and they'll stop at nothing to exact revenge.

This is what most likely motivated the vendetta against Steven Avery.

https://www.ranker.com/list/police-d...brent-sprecher