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12-30-2018 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
The funny thing about the Kercher case is that people on both sides believe in one conspiracy or another - one side thinking Italian justice system conspired to convict Knox, and the other side believing in a conspiracy of the Italian justice system to free Knox.
It also did not help that the Italian police If I'm correct helped to fuel the conspiracy by insufficient police work. But that could be down to resources and again blind judgement in thinking they had a solid case.

I tried reading the thread in here but had to stop. As my judgement in that case is obviously screwed because of personal feelings.

Likewise in the S.A. Case, some people have a personal bias.
12-30-2018 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
It also did not help that the Italian police If I'm correct helped to fuel the conspiracy by insufficient police work. But that could be down to resources and again blind judgement in thinking they had a solid case.

I tried reading the thread in here but had to stop. As my judgement in that case is obviously screwed because of personal feelings.

Likewise in the S.A. Case, some people have a personal bias.
I agreed with arguments that Knox was guilty.

I guess I'm not a very good 'murderer groupie'. LOL!
12-30-2018 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Complex conspiracy it was not, they just railroaded everyone into believing they were guilty by using unethical methods.
Who's "they"? Specifically? And why did they all decide to conspire together at huge risk? Do you see why such a conspiracy theory isn't tenable?
Actually it would be pretty complex considering the sheer scope of the alleged parties & various different bodies. This is why it doesn't hold up to scrutiny among several other reasons. Zellner struck out because either A) she has nothing viable or B) the conspiracy strikes again with the judicial system involved to thwart her. Now again honestly, which do you think is more likely & plausible a possibility, A) or B)?
12-30-2018 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
I suppose all those DNA exonerated feel the same... Are you sure you've researched this case?
Same DNA techniques which exonerated Avery for rape convicted him for murder.
12-30-2018 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
This troll ain't even smart bro, never answers Q's put to him, just pops in with Stupidity to disparage a fellow countryman. Imo. He's a closet bigot.
Thanks for the lolsome quote from Loudz, it would indeed be a complicated conspiracy in this specific regard, he's just too thick to realise this.
12-30-2018 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
I'm not upto date with the Kercher case, but did believe she was an accomplice in Merideth's death due to a drug habit.
And then the family & friends flung money (as would anyone) to free there daughter from a foreign land, again its not a Grand of anything but just the usual stuff a family would do to protect there own... Where that money went I'd guess at lawyers and such.
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I first encountered corpus on a site where it was widely believed that there was a grand international conspiracy to to free Amanda Knox involving the Mafia, the Italian judiciary, the Obama State Department, and high profile mainstream media outlets.
This is a lie. There's incontrovertible proof of court wrongdoing in the Meredith Kercher case, which is even addressed by the appellate Nencini court. Some of us suspected that the SC was corrupted due to this wrongdoing & brags by Sollecito's father re money making water flow uphill & Vechiotti shaking hands with him in court, all which was thoroughly covered in the Knox thread. Loudz made a laughing stock of himself & in a cowardly manner refused to admit he was a hard core Avery groupie & was proactively obnoxious whenever his baseless conspiracy theories where debunked. Hence the contempt I have for him. He's a murderer groupie who probably suspects Knox simply because she's female. And he's given nothing to support his pap here or anywhere else.
12-30-2018 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Who's "they"? Specifically? And why did they all decide to conspire together at huge risk? Do you see why such a conspiracy theory isn't tenable?
Actually it would be pretty complex considering the sheer scope of the alleged parties & various different bodies. This is why it doesn't hold up to scrutiny among several other reasons. Zellner struck out because either A) she has nothing viable or B) the conspiracy strikes again with the judicial system involved to thwart her. Now again honestly, which do you think is more likely & plausible a possibility, A) or B)?
Did S.A. serve 18 years for a crime he did not commit? Yes.
Did the MCSO conspire to railroad him into 18 years? Yes.
Do I think that a county that jail innocent men because of grudges can do it again, Yes.

So yes B seems plausible and the more I read about the American Justice system it gets even more plausible. Especially Wisconsin.

I think with your knowledge C. V. you should take a closer look at the criminal justice systems in Wisconsin and get back to us.
12-30-2018 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Thanks for the lolsome quote from Loudz, it would indeed be a complicated conspiracy in this specific regard, he's just too thick to realise this.
That was directed @57red
12-30-2018 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
This is a lie. There's incontrovertible proof of court wrongdoing in the Meredith Kercher case, which is even addressed by the appellate Nencini court. Some of us suspected that the SC was corrupted due to this wrongdoing & brags by Sollecito's father re money making water flow uphill & Vechiotti shaking hands with him in court, all which was thoroughly covered in the Knox thread. Loudz made a laughing stock of himself & in a cowardly manner refused to admit he was a hard core Avery groupie & was proactively obnoxious whenever his baseless conspiracy theories where debunked. Hence the contempt I have for him. He's a murderer groupie who probably suspects Knox simply because she's female. And he's given nothing to support his pap here or anywhere else.
Wait? What? Your going over my head....

I thought you C. V. believed Knox was guilty?
12-30-2018 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Did S.A. serve 18 years for a crime he did not commit? Yes.
Did the MCSO conspire to railroad him into 18 years? Yes.
Do I think that a county that jail innocent men because of grudges can do it again, Yes.

So yes B seems plausible and the more I read about the American Justice system it gets even more plausible. Especially Wisconsin.
Your logic is impeccable.

We can only be grateful that a couple of film makers were on the scene to document the hinky case built by the state in a effort to convict Steven Avery a second time (the evidence of which has been abundantly and repeatedly detailed in this thread).

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I think with your knowledge C. V. you should take a closer look at the criminal justice systems in Wisconsin and get back to us.
It's clear to me that corpus is unable to perceive what has become increasingly obvious to sensible people who've been following this case.
12-30-2018 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
This is a lie. There's incontrovertible proof of court wrongdoing in the Meredith Kercher case, which is even addressed by the appellate Nencini court. Some of us suspected that the SC was corrupted due to this wrongdoing & brags by Sollecito's father re money making water flow uphill & Vechiotti shaking hands with him in court, all which was thoroughly covered in the Knox thread. Loudz made a laughing stock of himself & in a cowardly manner refused to admit he was a hard core Avery groupie & was proactively obnoxious whenever his baseless conspiracy theories where debunked. Hence the contempt I have for him. He's a murderer groupie who probably suspects Knox simply because she's female. And he's given nothing to support his pap here or anywhere else.
LOL!

Yes, 'debunked' by people who claimed shooting a person 11 times (including two head shots!) should not be expected to cause blood loss - let alone multiple stabbing and a slashed throat. Or that a savage gang rape would not leave DNA at the crime scene. This was an effort to explain away the lack of Teresa's blood or DNA in Steven's home or garage.

And for all this alleged 'evidence' of a grand international conspiracy in the Knox case, no one was ever brought into court on charges - let alone convicted.

Now corpus accuses me of suspecting Knox of guilt in a murder simply out of sheer misogyny. What a feckless **** corpus reveals himself to be every time he deigns to post!

Last edited by proudfootz; 12-30-2018 at 09:24 PM.
12-31-2018 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Same DNA techniques which exonerated Avery for rape convicted him for murder.
But he raped her the first time too. That's what the evidence showed and court decided. Why did they go back and test DNA later and it was already proven that he raped her?

Watch Innocent Man if you don't think there's a problem with the system.
12-31-2018 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Did S.A. serve 18 years for a crime he did not commit? Yes.
No. He served 12 years for a crime he didn't commit six of those years were for crimes he very much did do including attempted kidnapping of a female at gunpoint, which is not too far removed from Ms Halbach's murder actually.


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Did the MCSO conspire to railroad him into 18 years? Yes.
Provide evidence of this. You people simply assert things without providing anything viable to support such assertion. Again, provide evidence of this & explain why no charges have been brought against these alleged conspirators. Avery was convicted due to a fallible system & human error. Nothing more.

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Do I think that a county that jail innocent men because of grudges can do it again, Yes.
Provide evidence of this, you're simply making assertions again but there's no evidence at all to support them.

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So yes B seems plausible and the more I read about the American Justice system it gets even more plausible. Especially Wisconsin.
So a conspiracy with no actual evidence to support it seems actually more plausible & likely & probable than the overwhelming evidence against Avery existing because he's guilty? Really?? Lawyers have actual fantasies about people like you being on a jury,do you know that? Again you see why hard core supporters are regarded as a cult?

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I think with your knowledge C. V. you should take a closer look at the criminal justice systems in Wisconsin and get back to us.
I've no need to I only need to see if any court malfeasance occurred in this specific case. It didn't. Nor is there the slightest evidence to suggest it did. Only evidence that exists for Teresa's murder is against Avery & Dassey.

Now please provide evidence for your corruption & conspiracy claims if you wish to be taken remotely seriously & by that I mean actual evidence as opposed to Zellner's fruitless arguments. Otherwise you've nothing but speculation & theorem. Which doesn't trump convictions. You people really are in cloud cuckoo and sorry & have no idea how to assess evidence in its totality.
12-31-2018 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by housenuts Making a Murderer
But he raped her the first time too. That's what the evidence showed and court decided. Why did they go back and test DNA later and it was already proven that he raped her?

Watch Innocent Man if you don't think there's a problem with the system.
Never said there wasn't a problem with the system there will always be a problem with the system until we eventually figure out a way to know innocence or guilt with absolute 100% certainty & that's not gonna happen any time soon. The issue is if there was unfair due process for either defendant in this specific case & there wasn't. Nor any evidence of police corruption which nobody is arguing against anyway in general terms. But zero to indicate any occurred here in this case.

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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Wait? What? Your going over my head....

I thought you C. V. believed Knox was guilty?
I do believe Knox is guilty. I suspect corruption led to her acquittal which the SC violated its own criminal procedure code in order to do. Unlike Ms Halbach's case, I have reasonably solid grounds to suspect this as again there's incontrovertible evidence of court wrongdoing & deception re witnesses which the Nencini appellate addressed & which was covered in more detail in the Knox thread.

But you people have pulled a wildly improbable conspiraccy theory outa Netflix's arse & nowhere else. You have no solid grounds to base your suspicion on. That's the difference. Loudz knows this too he's just being very deliberately disingenuous as usual, which is why he's on ig, he's incapable of honest discourse& deliberately twists things which is textbook trolling. But I have far more valid grounds to suspect corruption re Knox & Sollecito's acquittals than you do for Avery & Dassey's convictions & that's the bottom line.
12-31-2018 , 09:34 AM
LOL @ corpse claiming suspicion about law enforcement corruption comes from Netflix instead of the behavior of law enforcement employees.

Gene Kusche traced a mugshot of Steven Avery and pretended it was a freehand drawing based on the victim's description:



Manitowoc County Sheriff employee Kusche is also famous for suggesting DNA evidence could be fabricated...

The documentary simply presented arguments and evidence offered by legal professionals close to the case. Some of this was presented in court, and much has been revealed subsequently from court records and official documents. But trolls like corpus vile continue to lie that Netflix 'made it all up'.

Ample evidence has been presented everywhere of law enforcement's bad faith in this case. The only thing implausible that has been suggested is that all these documented actions have any honest explanation.
12-31-2018 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Wait? What? Your going over my head....

I thought you C. V. believed Knox was guilty?
Don't try to make sense of corpus vile's posts - he's a self-refuting machine.

12-31-2018 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
Not according to the information I am looking at.

June 16 - computer search for 'suffocation'.

July 15 - Casey reveals to her mother Cindy that Caylee is 'missing'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...y_Anthony_case
no this is what im referring to

https://imgur.com/9zD1u2O

The 1:44 call is when caylee drowned I think. The next call to her boyfriend is the call when she told him she was moving in. The call from George is coincidentally the only time hes called her in months. I think it was to tell her the body was dumped.

The string of calls an hour later are the "panic calls" I was talking about. I think casey freaked out and wanted to tell her mom. Then after changed her mind.
12-31-2018 , 11:32 AM
What may be of note here also is that George told investigators casey left the house with caylee at noon. All these calls took place inside the house and George didn't leave until after 2:30. So he lied.
12-31-2018 , 12:16 PM
@proundfootz.... Yup I'm sick of C. V.'s bad faith posting.... Like your post says above, if that he see's a miscarage of justice in the M.K. case he should clearly see the problems in manitowoc but doesn't...Handwaving away the coroner' s non_involvement, the sketchy sketchy, over 8 searches to find a single key when T.H. Is clearly photographed with a bunch of keys, the non T. H. DNA on it ffs, the walking over the burn pit & only finding a crime scene days later once almost everyone had distrurbed the ground, believing a body can be fully burned to cremation in a ****ing pit.. Na he can **** off too..

You got that C. V. Or come back with a full report on the Wisconsin justice system & explain to us how MCSO became blind one day & had 20/20 vision days later. Or something like that, because to believe there was no skullduggery in this case is equivalent to being a handmade from the handmade tale.

Forget that.. Just **** off back to your hole C. V. You are the opitiomy of bad faith, bad faith posting.
12-31-2018 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
no this is what im referring to

https://imgur.com/9zD1u2O

The 1:44 call is when caylee drownedI think.The next call to her boyfriend is the call when she told him she was moving in. The call from George is coincidentally the only time hes called her in months. I think it was to tell her the body was dumped.

The string of calls an hour later are the "panic calls" I was talking about. I think casey freaked out and wanted to tell her mom. Then after changed her mind.
I think you should do less.
12-31-2018 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
I think you should do less.
Well there is no way to know.

It would appear this is the behavior of someone who just witnessed an accident not someone who just committed a premeditated act of murder though.

Either way, 100% correct call by the jury. She needed to be aquitted.
12-31-2018 , 12:56 PM
Its quite amusing that reasonable doubt only has this crazy threshold when it comes to Avery.
12-31-2018 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Well there is no way to know.

It would appear this is the behavior of someone who just witnessed an accident not someone who just committed a premeditated act of murder though.

Either way, 100% correct call by the jury. She needed to be aquitted.
Sarcasim much... 😂

Happy New year to You Fraley & all the peeps who post 😅 Have a good one 🍻
12-31-2018 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Ah.So now the system is at fault, gotcha I'll just add that to the list of everything else that was at fault except Cuddly Bear Steve & Innocent Brendan.
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Originally Posted by housenuts Making a Murderer
Watch Innocent Man if you don't think there's a problem with the system.
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Never said there wasn't a problem with the system
what was at fault for cuddly bear's first rape arrest and sentencing? the system? corruption? lack of science?

what was at fault for ron williamson's 11 years in prison?

what is at fault for the 4% of innocent's that are wrongfully incarcerated?

The "system", the for profit prison business, and the fact that police/DA don't really care if they get the right person, they just want to get a guilty verdict, is what is at fault. Poor people who can't afford adequate counsel don't stand a chance.
12-31-2018 , 03:43 PM
lol I think the overwhelming majority of DAs care if they are putting an innocent man in prison. Most people are not sociopaths.

Also, in a world prior to dna testing the odds of being falsely imprisoned will increase. As time has went on and our understandings of things increased the likelihood we will falsely imprison someone decreases. Avery was falsely convicted because we didn't have the same reliable dna testing we have now, and we relied more heavily on witness testimony. It just so happens that the woman who was raped said it was avery. That was the main catalyst for his rape conviction.

      
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