LOL @ you trying to pretend this is a game of chance where any random thing is equally likely and not real life which has a different standard.

It's as if you're saying evolution has only a 50% chance of being true because someone says a magical ghost made all the animals just as they are.

If the post above was the only thing I ever posted, you'd almost have an argument.

As I have countered your molehill of 'evidence' with mountain ranges of counter-evidence it appears you are just whistling past the graveyard.

"1 . On 10/31/05, Scott Tadych visited Bobby at the Avery salvage yard (ASY) around noon.


"2. After Teresa (TH) called the Dassey landline for directions, our suspect contacted her back with the Dassey address.


"3. Teresa arrived at the ASY around 2:30–2:31 p.m. on 10/31/05. Only Bobby and Steven saw her. After completing her photo assignment, she left & turned West on Hwy 147 around 2:38 p.m. Our suspect followed her. Steven was in his trailer.

"4. Our suspect gets TH to pull over. She opened her car's rear cargo door to retrieve her camera, was knocked to the ground and struck with an object.

"5. TH was put in the rear cargo area of the RAV4 and driven back to ASY

"6. TH's RAV4 was spotted leaving the ASY with an unknown driver at 3:45 p.m.

"7. RAV4 was left by the old dam West of Mishicot on 10/31/05.

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"8. 3 witnesses saw RAV4 up to 11/4/05, then it was gone.

"9. Recent investigation shows the RAV4 battery died, so it was replaced in order to move the RAV4 to the ASY.


"10. TH's body was burned in a burn barrel. Dassey burn barrel had human bones.

"11. 60% of bones and 31 teeth missing

"12. A witness smelled horrible odor of something burning in Manitowoc County gravel pit the evening of 10/31/05.

"13. The Dassey garage was never luminoled or DNA tested. Bobby hung a deer in the Dassey garage on 11/4/05.

"14. Sikikey note—Body burned at smelter 11/4/05, 3 a.m. Tadych worked the night shift at a smelter facility. His nickname: Skinny.

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"15. TH's electronics were not burned in Steven's burn barrel; they were burned in Dassey burn barrel.

"16. Suspect knew Steven's finger re-bled on 11/3/05 because he observed it.

"17. Suspect had access to Steven's trailer to remove blood from the sink.

"18. Only our suspect knew the blood in the sink was Steven's and not TH's (this rules out the police).

"19. Suspect planted blood in RAV4, bones in Steven's burn pit, and TH's electronics in Steven's burn barrel.

"In conclusion, the killer is the person who had the access and opportunity to plant Steven Avery's fresh blood in Teresa Halbach's car. Use # AskZellner for questions"

From UK news.....

Correction - the caller is Brad Dassey.

AMA by K.Z.

Q) Do you think it was Bobby?



A) We cannot rule him out.





Q) Police?



A) No access. No opportunity. Not the blood vial.





Q) has bobbys garage been searched for dna & blood?



A) Yes. In progress.





Q) is there any evidence on if Bobby and Scott had contact with Ryan before the killing?



A) No proof of that.





Q) How do we know Scott was on ASY at noon?



A) Witness confirms





Q) is there evidence that supports they knew there was fresh blood in his home or did they enter the home just in hopes of finding plantable DNA?



A) There is evidence the person knew Steven's cut finger broke open and that he bled on 11/3





Q) How do you know it was replaced (battery)?



A) We've confirmed that it was replaced with the wrong-sized battery for the RAV4—the same size battery that is used in Crown Victorias





Q) Where is the call log proof that your suspect called TH back with the address ?



A) Not restricted to a call log





Q) How do we know the battery died?



A) Because it was replaced with the wrong size battery and it was still under warranty.





Q) What evidence shows the electrical items were moved from Dassey burn barrel to SA burn barrel?



A) Nothing was burned in SA's burn barrel. Tin cans and vegetation present. Radandt saw fire in Dassey burn barrel.





Q) have you had access to the rav4 yet?



A) No. This is an issue on appeal.





Q) 60% of bones and 31 teeth missing from the Dassey barrel, you mean? Because they were removed and transported to the Avery barrel?



A) They are missing entirely from ASY





Q) Are we sure it was the Rav4 seen leaving at 3:45? This was Blaine's account of what happened, but he now says it wasn't the Rav (as I understand)



A) We have 2 other witnesses.





Q) Have you done any background checks on Bobby Dassey such as: interviewing people who have possibly witnessed abusive behavior from him, or possibly hired on expert in criminal psychology to evaluate his behavior?



A) We have had experts evaluate the violent porn and create a profile.





Q) was the witness that smelled the foul odor burning ever questioned? Is he/ she affiliated w Scott's work place?



A) We have an affidavit from the witness; there is no connection with Scott's workplace





Q) What is the significance of Scott Tadych being at ASY at 12 noon that day?



A) Because the contact with Teresa requesting the address is made close to the point in time when he's present





Q) Is there any evidence of a body being burned at the smelting facility?



A) A witness, who wrote the note. But the body would have disintegrated.





Q) I fully believe Bobby killed Theresa & for whatever reason Scott was involved in coverup. However, is it really believable that either would realistically remember SA’s finger bleeding & think to take SA’s blood from the sink?



A) Of course. The police had just been on the property and he would have been panicked to divert attention from himself.





Q) aside from a witness saying Scott was on shift, is there cctv? Clock cards? Payroll records that back this up??



A) Yes.





Q) Apologies if I am repeating a previous question, can you speculate as to motive by suspect? “$ponsorship” from others?



A) It was a rage killing motivated by rejection.





Q) What is the significance of Scott Tadych being at ASY at 12 noon that day?



A) Because it's after TH called requesting contact with directions. Plus, he lied and said he was in Green Bay visiting his mother at the hospital.





Q) Bobby's computer shows activity at 1:51. Was the computer used to communicate with Teresa or was this via someone else's phone?



A) Communication was not by phone.





Q) has the suspect been questioned on this?



A) He was questioned in a lame interview by Investigator Dedering.





Q) what's the best explanation for the scratches on Bobby's back?



A) They are inconsistent with scratches from a puppy. Consistent with scratches from the fingers of a human hand.





Q) why has Bobby not been re questioned and DNA tested after these findings?



A) Bobby was re-questioned in a lame interview with Investigator Dedering.





Q) would Bobby have access to Stevens blood?



A) Yes. He had access to Steven's blood because he had access to Steven's trailer on 11/3/05





Q) Who gave Teresa directions? and how did they know to give it to her?



A) We believe the killer gave TH directions.





Q) any witnesses from the smelting plant where Scott works come forward?



A) We've interviewed witnesses.





Q) Was there any video surveillance at the smelter facility?



A) No.





Q) so was this the same burn barrel they "found" bones in on SA's property? Or is this a whole new barrel?



A) Same barrel.





Q) Do you know where the missing 60% of the body is located?



A) We believe that it was disposed of at the smelter.





Q) Do you think the Colborn had anything to do with moving the RAV4 any longer? Also do you think Lenk planted the key?



A) It doesn't matter; the RAV4 and the key were planted to frame Steven Avery.





Q) do we know if Bobby or ST ever interacted with TH prior to 10/31? Meaning is it possible that Bobby had his eye on her for a while before she was killed?



A) Yes.





Q) any indications as to what the suspects motive was? Did he want Steven back in prison?



A) Motive was rage fueled by rejection.





Q) If the suspect confessed officially, how quickly could Steve/Brendan be released?



A) The confession would have to be corroborated. It's impossible to know how long it would take.





Q) Who replaced the battery?



A) The person who moved the car back onto the Avery salvage yard.





Q) Have your traced who changed the battery or owned the battery that was put in her car?



A) Yes.





Q) if Bobby pursued Theresa - how come nobody knew and stepped forward during the trial?



A) Bobby was the State's star witness.





Q) Are you now ruling out the ex BF as a suspect? If so, what's the explanation for him having TH's handwritten day planner?



A) A Denny suspect can be involved in the crime or the coverup, so we have not ruled him out.





Q) hadn’t TH taken photos for the Avery’s/Dassey’s previously? Why would she need to call for an address/directions?



A) She was only given the Dassey phone number and not the ASY address. Because she did not know the Dasseys, she left a voicemail asking for directions.





Q) Would Bobby have hung the deer in his garage to conceal TH blood, or is it likely that she was dismembered elsewhere?



A) Bobby's story is inconsistent as to when he hung the deer, making it highly suspicious that he had an ulterior motive for hanging it.





Q) If the Dassey garage gets tested, and TH was ever in there....do you think it would still be possible to find traces of blood in there?



A) Of course. DNA lasts for years and blood is very difficult to clean up.





Q) Has elections changed The way you are approaching this case?



A) No, but it may change the outcome of the case.





Q) I completely agree with you. What would Scott's motivation be in helping Bobby? From what I've read they didn't have a close relationship. Why would he get himself involved?



A) Wrong. They were close.





Q) Do we know why TH pulled her car over after she left the ASY?



A) The perpetrator induced her to pull her car over.





Q) Are we sure it was the Rav4 seen leaving at 3:45? This was Blaine's account of what happened, but he now says it wasn't the Rav (as I understand)



A) We have two more witnesses that confirm.





Q) Bobby is now married with children, living a seemingly normal life since Teresa's murder. Are you aware of anything that suggests that he still fits that profile?



A) That's irrelevant. Most serial killers are married with children, living normal lives.

Link to all K.Z. tweets before the AMA... sorry buzy atm or would post them all... kids lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...before_the_qa/

Thanks too anonanon for this write up... Putting the AMA in context...

while she didnt hand over affidavits and exhibits today ... we now know she has MUCH more evidence from her Q&A

she has evidence of the battery swap out and can trace it back to owner and installer
Scott and bobbys alibis are false and inconsistent- she has witness affidavits to prove this- there is evidence to support both lied and that means that their alibis for that day are irrelevant (they alibied each other), imagine how that would have played out in the original trial....especially with all the violent porn evidence- not too credible
3 witness affidavits on rav 4 spotting at dam
proof of bones and accessories being burned in dassey barrel
3 witness affidavits spotting the rav leaving ASY at 345
she is testing bod garage for DNA- very interesting and could create more concrete evidence
evidence the suspect knew steven was actively bleeding and was the only one to know- she has to have evidence of this or why else would she say this. people keep saying the blood in the rav being planted is too far fetched... well we ll see when she presents this new evidence. i think most would agree the blood was planted by someone with a very small sample and a very small brain (based on the patterns and drying flakes-oddly enough this was good enough to fool local law enforcement if you catch my drift.
And most interesting to me is this one on the Sikikey note
Is there any evidence of a body being burned at the smelting facility?

A witness, who wrote the note. But the body would have disintegrated.

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for number 7, is she not stating that she now knows who wrote the Sikikey note as they are a witness that came forward.?????? i have heard so many people stating that it is complete horse crap that someone would burn a body at work in a smelter.... yet this note was a major mystery from the start of this investigation and basically was a plausible explanation for burning a body into dust...... it will be interesting to see what the note writer saw that prompted the note in the first place... also if you think this is an impossible scenario imagine some donkey cutting up a body so they could discretely burn it in a barrel (which she has proof of it being dasseys barrel) being stuck with pieces of a corpse because it didn't get the job done and then having to move it off the grounds as the cops were already coming on site...........off to the smelter.... this one is interesting and someone clearly saw something that prompted the most illiterate note known to man...

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anyways, today kept my interest in the case going. what a comedy of errors this whole thing is.. what was proposed today makes way more sense then the trial narratives at both trials.... if there is blood in that bod garage ...game over

Thanks anonanon from ticktockmantiowoc.

1) you're assuming bobby is guilty to conclude he has motive to lie to the jury. If bobby is guilty, why would he want police thinking she didn't leave his property? Wouldn't he just "lie" and say she left?

2) I did supply a motive. not being ostracized by his family who thinks avery is innocent. Perhaps he just didn't want the grief of dealing with them about it and kept the truth a bit closer to the vest.



we have 0 witnesses who say she left (avery doesn't count for obvious reasons)

Bobby has stated under oath her car was still there so he is not a witness to her leaving as ive already explained to you. If you say hes a witness to her leaving as evidence she left to conclude he said she left that is textbook circular reasoning.

The guy who was at the gas station or whatever didn't say he saw Teresa leave, he said he saw a green rav 4 leave. Its also clear he is unsure what day this happened because his memory of the weather doesn't match the actual weather of the day.

So you have 0 witnesses that saw her leave. The scent is ambiguous because we know she was in the back of her rav 4 and Brendan told police avery drove around with her in the back seat looking for someone to dump her body. this is consistent with the dogs trail.

Sorry you're having so much trouble understanding this.

I will try and explain by using your analogy. Evolution and magic ghost theory are not equal. Evolution has scientific testing, evidence of change over time, fossil records, transitional fossils, DNA evidence etc... Ghost theory doesn't have any of these things so it is not 50/50.

If however we had two examples that both fit the evidence equally it is precisely 50/50 either is true.

Theory 1- there are an even number of stars in the universe 50%
theory 2- there are an odd number of stars in the universe 50%
theory 3- there are no stars in the universe 0%

Understand? What becomes up for debate is the probability we assign to the possible explanations. As it relates here I have offered 5 possible explanations to the bryans affidavit. I think 3 are unlikely and 2 are likely. However, I think any individual choice is not more likely than one of the remaining four being true.

With S.T. supposed nickname being Skinny=Sikikey... And K.Z. I assume is saying that whoever WROTE the note was a witness to T.H. being disposed of.

Let's now see Fraley try to dispute K.Z. findings..... See how committed he really is.

how can I dispute something that hasn't been shown to me? If she has some kind of evidence that bobby called Teresa back I will admit that is pretty damning but I reserve my opinions on such evidence until its provided.

In what world would someone write sikikey and mean skinny?

1. uneducated
2. To Stay anonymous
3. Wrote in haste
4/5 Language barriers
5/4. Local accents
6. Dyslexic


Q) Where is the call log proof that your suspect called TH back with the address ?



A) Not restricted to a call log

Seems like K.Z. has more than 1 source of evidence for the Call.

I would take 1 photo as proof, if you can provide it, of the bones IN the pit. Just One?

I could see in these situations where they may write "skenny or skiney" or something like that but not "sikikey" That doesn't even have a similar phonetic sound.


Im still waiting for her "air tight alibi" from almost 3 years ago. I will reserve judgment on this evidence until shes ready to provide it. She hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire with what shes presented so far.

It was obviously more useful for the law enforcement employees wo wanted to make Steven look guilty if Bobby says he saw Teresa stay. I've already explained this, but you seem hard of understanding.
This is absurd. Nothing Bryan said was going to get him ostracized from the family. Neither Brendan nor Bobby got such treatment. So you are inventing another goofy scenario based on nothing and pretending it is as likely as a real life situation.

You're assuming Steven is guilty to conclude his witness testimony 'doesn't count'. Apparently you can't see the hypocrisy of conflict with your 1st point in this same post.

I'm less interested in what Bobby says months later than what he said initially to his brother Bryan, whom he has no reason to lie to and who has no reason to lie.

This is all irrelevant blather as I didn't suggest the person who saw Teresa's RAV at another location before it was moved to ASY actually saw Teresa. Get a grip.

Anyone relying on the statements coerced from Brendan Dassey by employees of Manitowoc law enforcement is building their castles on sand.

Up until now witness after witness has been produced to show Steven was at home the whole time fielding random phone calls, receiving unannounced visitors, ands tending umpteen raging fires. It's too late to say all the prosecution witnesses are lying when they put him there.

Since we know the burial site off ASY and bones were found off ASY before they were suddenly 'found' at Steven's it's fairly obvious you haven't paid attention.

Other than multiple eye witnesses.

You and corpse violator seem to be obsessed with Steven's sex life. maybe you two should get together. I'm sure even after your recent spat you can find lots in common.

Ok so you're saying LE coerced Bobby into saying Teresa remained on the property. Im confused, it would seem to me that the whole implication is that bobby is guilty of the murder and not steven. If that is the case he would want her away from the property during the investigation. He wouldn't want cops poking around.


I don't think you understood what I am saying. I am presenting a scenario where bobby would lie to bryan, not where bryan is lying. Bryans motivation to potentially be lying is simple, to protect his family.

I am saying perhaps Bobby is lying to Bryan so that Bobby doesn't feel ostracized. He may have been in denial, or scared or maybe just didn't want to deal with being called a liar by his family members.


No im not. I am simply saying that steven is going to say she left no matter what lol.. So it doesn't support one theory over the other.

Innocent steven: she left (because she likely would have actually left)
Guilty steven: She left (to remove suspicion from himself.

I mean what else would he say? She stayed and spent the night??


I see, you're less interested in highly speculative unreliable second hand information than what was testified to in court. Figures, as long as it supports avery being innocent.. Right?



Who saw Teresa leave?


Im not suggesting steven went to the beach or anything. I don't see it unreasonable to think he drove the vehicle around in the woods to get rid of the body though. That doesn't seem implausible.

Note: There are TWO burn locations. Dasseys barrel, averys pit. The quarry was likely animal bone and theres nothing to suggest its human bone.

Even the expert for the defense would only go as far as to say "possible human bones". Somehow to footz that translates as definitely human bones and definitely teresas.

Bones found at the quarry were identified as human and 'coincidentally' charred to the same extent as bones later 'found' at Avery's.

Dogs tracked Teresa there.

Most likely whatever happened to Teresa occurred there while Steven stayed home.

Occam's Razor FTW.

If/when the appeals court would grant SA a new trial, I'm sure all K.Z. latest developments will be included, until then as you know ofc we are stuck here in limbo.

Nope, I never implied this, I mean wtf.

Any photos of the burn pit would be great thou, so you can disprove any theory's you think I may have.

Any photos of where the bones was found? By any chance, if no photos were taken of this burial site you speak of, why was that?

Sadly, the coroner who could have professionally exhumed the site was prevented from fulfilling her duties and threatened with arrest if she persisted in examining the finds scientifically.

Just one more reason why sensible people know there was something hinky about how the 'case' against Steven was manufactured.

Yes, trained tracking dogs tracked Teresa's scent to places she went while Steven stayed at home.

LE brought the dogs there. If you're suggesting the dogs are useless, then you are telling us LE is full of incompetent boobs. If that's your position, why do you put so much faith in their stories?

One of the barrels at ASY was searched on the 7th of November and nothing found. But 5 days later, after a visit to the quarry burn sites, the same barrel came up with some cremains.

Most obvious explanation is these were planted.

You don't need to sign your posts. We know who you are.