Lolololol

When Steven saw this picture, it's rumoured that he mumbled "1,3,2."

I watched old Richard Gere movie last week, 'Internal Affairs' and Gere's police officer character planted evidence in the first scene. Got me thinking about the issue on a bigger scale and it justs so clear it is not even hard for cops to plant evidence. Law Enforcement has a storied history of not turning on their own and they are in positions of authority. In their every day work it's not like some outside group is following officers in every investigation. There is almost no chance of getting caught or punished. The worst thing that happens is someone you help convict gets out years down the road.

I don't even know how we address this problem but this is why the mantiwoc police, in the words of DA Krantz, were not going to lead this investigation. The reality is they should have not been involved in any way shape or form. But all that does is make us hope another jurisdiction won't falsify stuff.

The biggest issue is this suspicion of planting is it is tied in with clear cut incompetence either existing or being used as a cover for doing shady stuff. In either case police are not being held responsible for their behavior and/or incompetence.

Agreed. It's absolutely wild. They have orders to stay out of the investigation. They have Calumet County insisting on camera that Manitowoc will NOT be participating in investigation.

That's it? They get to say, "just kidding" and that's the end of it? All the evidence they "found" gets admitted, no questions asked. No reprimands, no inquiries as to why they did not follow mandate?

It's just completely unfathomable.

How much Brendan's story, or the show about it by the special prosecution, affected the outcome.

It's always amazing to see US law stuff how it's mostly about winning vs losing, and not about justice per se.

So much this. Anything found by them should not have been admissable, and it blew my mind that it was.

Again How does this P***K get thrown of the case by the judge but all the evidence him & his investigator get passed on to the prosecution.
Can anyone explain to me why? Or why his 2nd lawyer did not get all these statements & drawings threw out.

This was another mouth opening moment for me in the doc.

That to me was actually the worst part. You have Fassbender demanding his forensic team "put him in that garage". You have clear pressure from the top down on everyone to convict/arrest in numerous phases. When jobs are on the line like that for political careers, you no longer have justice. I think back to that fat bastard so proud of his first sketch that he put it up on his wall. For real? Dude he did an 18 year bit on that sketch, and even after he was exonerated you're not so sure he didn't do it. Lol.

There was an interview with Dean Strang with viewer questions where this came up, and he said Manitowoc themselves offered not to participate in the search due to conflicting interests, but that legally speaking they had every right to do so.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/News...trang/37271120 at 3:15

That doesn't make it any less absurd that they did.

There is not one person in this thread, or on the planet, who thought that it was illegal for the M police to participate in that investigation. It was just a couple individuals violating the department policy in order to plant evidence.

Not illegal, but I'll tell you what: If you're their lawyer in the civil suit, you're telling them to stay far far away from that Avery property. It cannot help your case (you know what I mean).

The fact it's not illegal doesn't mean it's not a huge liability to have them here

It seemed to help. Avery gets arrested, needs money for competent defence counsel so settles for 400k. If the civil case went ahead it could have been multiple million and apparently the officers were personally liable since insurance wasn't covering it.

The only entities named in the lawsuit were Manitowoc County, former sheriff Koceurek, and former DA Vogel.

Also, I've seen no proof that insurance wasn't going to cover it, and they in fact did cover the $400k settlement.

Lol this again

Clueless or trolling?

Watched the whole thing this weekend, started reading up on the evidence omitted from the documentary, now I feel like I've been Serialed.

Guy reminds me of Jim Bakker remember him?

did you guys have talked about the vial of blood mystery? why the box have been opened and an why theres a small hole in the vial ? and lol at that DNA scientist who did not follow the protocol. to many shady thing on that case.

on another hand, i watched the first 40min of Brendan testimony on the couch and they didnt seems to force him that much. they just said ''be honest''. they didnt put words in his mouth in the 40min part i watched.

From an interview with the flimmakers:

Todd VanDerWerff:
There have been a lot of people digging into the things that happened at the trial that were left out of the documentary. Obviously even in 10 hours you can't include everything, but in some cases, it seemed like some of what was left out was left out to influence our view of Steven Avery's guilt or innocence. How did you make the call on what to leave in the film?

Moira Demos:
We looked to the [prosecution] to take our cues on what to include. So we included the things they said were the cornerstones of their case against Steven Avery.

What's troubling now is that [former District Attorney]Ken Kratz is coming out in the media and making statements about evidence that was left out, but nobody's asking him what his sources are, and nobody's fact-checking that evidence. This is a man who takes a piece of information and stretches it and twists it and turns it into a story, and if you look at any one of these things he's mentioning, the seed of where his story starts is very far away from what he's saying in the media.
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http://www.vox.com/2016/1/11/1074813...view-interview

The problem is not just what was omitted, but probably even moreso how what is included is portrayed.

For example:

We mostly all agree that North Koreans/911 truthers/vaccine deniers are deceived by propaganda, but we like to believe we're smarter than that.

We're all human. We're all susceptible to propaganda.

LOL Just Stop it.

Tell me 1 insurance company that would not fight this $36mil judgement against them all the way, with the best lawyers & investigators in the US, prob spending $10 mil upwards. U know cos thats what insurance co do.

In fact the MCPD was so scared of this scenario that they framed 1 innocent man & 1 innocent teenager.

IMO ronda rousy has a better chance in a street fight than MCPD had against the insurance co.

Seems like some Tadych, Bobby, Earl or Chuck would've known and could've done.

Cops aren't the only people that can plant evidence. The key is weird, but let's assume that one did fall from the nightstand. The bullet could've easily been planted by any of the above 4 as well as the blood. Steven had a cut hand. He could have had blood rags or anything else in the garbage that one of the above placed on the car.

However, was his cut on the right hand? If so, the spot by the ignition looks like a very likely place SA's hand would've left blood.
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As for future evidence that could allow for a new trial, I see the following:

1) Confession of someone else

2) Police admission of tampering evidence

3) An EDTA test that shows EDTA on car blood. This is not to be confused with a test that shows the initial test used was not reliable.

without one of those 3 I think he rots.

If Jim Bakker and Rick Moranis had a baby.

Yes you are.