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DNA doesn't "prove" anything. Only math and analytical truths can be "proved".

If you mean to say MTDNA cannot be used as evidence that its Teresa then id say you are misinformed. Its the exact same methodology we used to identify many of the 9-11 victims.

IYO, what is the likelihood Teresa is alive?

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10-31-2018 , 10:45 AM

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TheJacob

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The mass amount of supposed bullets on the property is kind of glossed over in season 2. Its probably BS, but if there really were thousands of bullets littering the property how did they magically decide which ones to test?

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10-31-2018 , 12:05 PM

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fraleyight

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They didn’t have to decide, the two bullet fragments they tested were found in the garage. Both were matched to The gun in Avery’s room and one had Teresa’s dna on it.

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10-31-2018 , 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fraleyight

I don't think I ever argued that TH was alive. Can you prove I did? I said MCSD did not prove her remains were ever found in the Pit or on the Avery property.

MtDNA is only used to identify a match to a female relative. So I can understand why it was used in 9/11.

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10-31-2018 , 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJacob

As I remember, there was many people shooting vermin on Avery's property & around the garage..Like it was a well known pass time. As there was a lot of teenagers/young folk around the Avery clan.
And as its a dirt yard, i'm.not surprised that after 12/13 years later, theres not many to be seen by the naked eye.

As for which ones to test, does it matter. When sherry(burp excuse me) Culhane was asked to put TH in the garage by KK.

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10-31-2018 , 01:54 PM

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fraleyight

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Originally Posted by smacc25

I don't think I ever argued that TH was alive. Can you prove I did? I said MCSD did not prove her remains were ever found in the Pit or on the Avery property.

Did the defense and or zellner ever challenge that the remains didn't belong to Teresa? Its excepted by both sides that those are hers. This is what I mean by conspiracy theories. Any alternative to that not being Teresa is ridiculous. its simply just you coming up with an ad hoc explanation to her remains being in his burnpit.

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10-31-2018 , 01:55 PM

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fraleyight

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There were not hundreds of bullets in the garage. Just to be clear. There were only two fragments. The two that were tested and one still had teresas dna detectible

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10-31-2018 , 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fraleyight

. The two that were tested and one still had teresas dna detectible

Do you mean that contaminated sample? The one that Sherry (burp!!! excuse me) Culhane's supervisor never got the chance to review, as is Lab policy after a mistake? Or two?

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10-31-2018 , 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJacob

The mass amount of supposed bullets ON THE PROPERTY is kind of glossed over in season 2. Its probably BS, but if there really were thousands of bullets littering the property how did they magically decide which ones to test?

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Originally Posted by fraleyight

There were not hundreds of bullets in the garage.

You doing this again. I'm not surprised your a poker player, lying is 2nd nature to you.

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10-31-2018 , 03:48 PM

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proudfootz

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Second nature?

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10-31-2018 , 03:49 PM

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fraleyight

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You doing this again. I'm not surprised your a poker player, lying is 2nd nature to you.

Huh? I was trying to help with a possible equivocation. It doesn't matter how many bullets were in the yard as none of those were collected. He was asking essentially how LE got lucky enough to randomly select the right bullet. I was pointing out to him that out of the two fragments located in the garage 1 tested positive for Teresas dna.

That means 1 came into contact with Teresa and 1 we cant say for sure. There were to my knowledge no bullet fragments in the garage that were found besides these two.

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10-31-2018 , 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smacc25

Do you mean that contaminated sample? The one that Sherry (burp!!! excuse me) Culhane's supervisor never got the chance to review, as is Lab policy after a mistake? Or two?

I bet this is some kind of misrepresentation but even if its true its not really important here.

If a cop unlawfully filmed someone committing a rape inside their own home, we can still conclude this person committed a rape. Even if the process in which we found out was wrong, ethical or even illegal.

Not that anything culhane did was illegal nor am I condoning anyone doing anything illegal nor am I saying illegal methods in which evidence is obtained should be used to convict. Im merely talking about deductions that can be made.

Teresas dna was on that bullet. You can use whatever ad hoc explanation you want to get around this but that fact remains.

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10-31-2018 , 04:19 PM

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Second nature?

lol true

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10-31-2018 , 05:50 PM

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fraleyight

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Except there is nothing dishonest about pointing out there wasn't multiple bullets to "choose" from. There were only two small fragments.

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11-01-2018 , 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by smacc25

As I remember, there was many people shooting vermin on Avery's property & around the garage. Like it was a well known pass time. As there was a lot of teenagers/young folk around the Avery clan.

And as its a dirt yard, I'm not surprised that after 12/13 years later, there's not many to be seen by the naked eye.

As for which ones to test, does it matter. When sherry(burp excuse me) Culhane was asked to put TH in the garage by KK.

I forget which episode of the second series in the documentary, but they mention that some of the bullet holes in the garage are from the outside going in. This is most likely the source of the bullet fragment #FL with the wood embedded in it.

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11-01-2018 , 12:33 PM

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I need someone to tell me what to think about the discovery of new cell phone tower data that indicates Bobby Dassey wasn't where he said he was in his story

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11-01-2018 , 04:08 PM

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I need someone to tell me what to think about the discovery of new cell phone tower data that indicates Bobby Dassey wasn't where he said he was in his story

Link?

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11-01-2018 , 04:16 PM

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11-01-2018 , 04:18 PM

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http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/making-...en-avery-case/

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11-01-2018 , 04:32 PM

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Oh a zelltweet, I’m still awaiting her airtight alibi from 2016 so I’ll remain skeptical that she has such evidence Bobby didn’t go hunting.

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11-01-2018 , 05:08 PM

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With B Dassey's dodgy internet search history, Crushing his car ( He lives on a scrap yard ffs), last 1 to see TH alive, and disappearing after Teresa left the property its no wonder KZ has got his phone records checked out. Hmm

Lets see if she realizes the info.

Last edited by smacc25; 11-01-2018 at 05:14 PM. Reason: Opps spelling

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11-01-2018 , 05:09 PM

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I need someone to tell me what to think about the discovery of new cell phone tower data that indicates Bobby Dassey wasn't where he said he was in his story

If true, then the prosecution's star witness is caught in yet another lie.

Reasonable doubt FTW.

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11-01-2018 , 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by imjosh

There is some discussion about the cell towers in this thread on another site:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...handoff_areas/

It appears Bobby's phone 'should be' pinging off the Mishicot tower if he was where he testified he was. But in fact he pinged off a distant tower during the time in question.

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11-01-2018 , 06:01 PM

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Star witness? No bro, the ****er was convicted because he has an insurmountable amount of evidence pointing at him. Bobbys testimony that he saw Teresa on the property and a fire was just additional circumstantial evidence.

Not to mention the "evidence" that he searched for violent porn on a family computer is a total red herring. And there is no evidence he lied about anything either.