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10-29-2018 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
corpus vile - *rest of yet more deflective bluster snipped*
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The one utterly consistent thing you murderer groupies have is the inability to back up your pap whenever challenged. You don't know what empirical facts are. They aren't your paranoid illogical musings. Or the shilling from defence experts. Still unable to back up your lies re contamination or Avery being framed for rape or murder. Still a hot air murderer groupie troll.

Meanwhile your rapist murderers still in Gladiator academy

Last edited by corpus vile; 10-29-2018 at 05:11 PM.
10-29-2018 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
It's a pity you neither watch the documentary nor read the documents. But I get it - you're afarid you might actually learn something.

This is from Palenik's affidavit:

Bullet #FL Analyisis

"Numerous wood fragments are present in, on and/or under the waxy substance. Further analysis could elucidate their specific relationship to the waxy substance. Other wood fragments appear to be directly adhering to or embedded in the lead of the bullet. This later observation suggests that at least some of the wood was deposited when the energized bullet encountered a wooden object. Some of the fragments observed are individual particles of wood. One particle appears to be an agglomeration of woody fragments, possibly originating from a manufactured wood product such as chip or particle board. Isolation and analysis of these particles would be required if their specific identity ( e.g. species, type of wood product) is of interest."

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...Dr-Palenik.pdf



It would appear she does accurately represent Palenik's affidavit. Meanwhile you misrepresent both Zellner and Palenik.



If whoever denied the appeal is as hard of reading as you appear to be, the courts might need to institute literacy tests.



Of course, we know that Palenik did in fact say just plain 'wood'. So all your rhetorical flights of pretend outrage come to nothing.



We're discussing the case of Steven Avery - and it's become apparent to intelligent observers that he is not guilty.

But you'd actually have to look at the evidence instead of hiding from it.
Just quoting some of the facts I used to correct another poster on the last page.

corpus vile is a poor liar, but an entertaining nutcase.
10-29-2018 , 06:40 PM
Meanwhile, the second series from the documentary does a good job of filling in the gaps left by the false narrative of the prosecution.

10-29-2018 , 07:46 PM
I wonder what the odds are that Zellner files anything else with the court in regards to avery? Now that the tv show is done it's gotta be less than 2/1.
10-29-2018 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I wonder what the odds are that Zellner files anything else with the court in regards to avery? Now that the tv show is done it's gotta be less than 2/1.
Wat?

I'll lay you great odds if you want to actually bet?

100% she keeps going.
10-30-2018 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Although I think Footz is unreasonable, he seems to be the most reasonable out of the truthers.

The guy with the donkey avatar just insults people and misspells words; also refusing to defend his views with reasoned arguments and evidence. Smacc buys into every theory on the planet and lost is hardly ever here anymore.
I wonder why I don't argue with someone with so little understanding of anything that he didn't figure I'm not an English native speaker when it's spelled for him in my profile arguing about more subtle evidence become silly.
2nd reason you are self proclaimed asperger so it's pointless to try to change your mind as it only makes the thread horrible to read when someone restate the same facts for the 100th time.
10-30-2018 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I wonder what the odds are that Zellner files anything else with the court in regards to avery? Now that the tv show is done it's gotta be less than 2/1.
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Booked. Tell me where to escrow. Any amount.
10-30-2018 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
I wonder why I don't argue with someone with so little understanding of anything that he didn't figure I'm not an English native speaker when it's spelled for him in my profile arguing about more subtle evidence become silly.

2nd reason you are self proclaimed asperger so it's pointless to try to change your mind as it only makes the thread horrible to read when someone restate the same facts for the 100th time.
If you haven't had a chance to view more of the documentary yet, here's a breakdown of some of the major points:

Blood stains:

[Forensic Pathologist Dr Larry] Blum said that it is "inexplicable" for the blood spatter, found in eight different spots within the RAV4, to have come from a source of active bleeding directly disputing what Ken Kratz argued in court.

Proving just how thorough she is, Zellner didn't leave it there. Having bought an identical Toyota to the one that Teresa Halbach used, she recreated the State's theory by simulating an open cut inside the car.


Sweat DNA:



During Zellner's recreation, the DNA that was left by test subjects, who opened the hood latch on the identical car, was minimal. By contrast, the DNA that was found to be Avery's at the original crime scene was "rich."

The DNA supposedly coming from sweat (not actively bleeding cut Steven Avery allegedly had for some inexplicable reason) is 20x what is left by people actually touching a hoodlatch is expected to be.

Tracking dogs:



Teresa was tracked all over a neighboring property, but we know that Steven stayed home. Who was she with?

There's more, including the analysis of the bullet fragment already discussed above.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/making-...-steven-avery/
10-30-2018 , 09:56 AM
What would the conditions be of the bet? No additional court filings for 6 months?
10-30-2018 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
What would the conditions be of the bet? No additional court filings for 6 months?
Given how slowly appeals courts move, you guys might need to give a little more time for claims about filing 'anything else'.
10-30-2018 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
Given how slowly appeals courts move, you guys might need to give a little more time for claims about filing 'anything else'.
I agree that would be the fair thing to do, the only problem is I wouldn't want money in escrow much longer than that. Not sure how others would feel about it though.
10-30-2018 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
I wonder why I don't argue with someone with so little understanding of anything that he didn't figure I'm not an English native speaker when it's spelled for him in my profile arguing about more subtle evidence become silly. .
Considering I didn't even remember your name I hardly see how this is a valid point to conclude I am somehow not observant.

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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
2nd reason you are self proclaimed asperger so it's pointless to try to change your mind as it only makes the thread horrible to read when someone restate the same facts for the 100th time.
Bull****, I just agreed I was wrong itt yesterday and do so whenever I am shown to be wrong. My mind has also been changed on certain aspects of this case several times. For example, I am now of the opinion that Dassey was most likely only involved in the cleanup of the murder and not the murder itself.

What aspects of the case have you changed your mind about? yanno.. Since you don't have aspergers.
10-30-2018 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
If you haven't had a chance to view more of the documentary yet, here's a breakdown of some of the major points:

Blood stains:

[Forensic Pathologist Dr Larry] Blum said that it is "inexplicable" for the blood spatter, found in eight different spots within the RAV4, to have come from a source of active bleeding directly disputing what Ken Kratz argued in court.

Proving just how thorough she is, Zellner didn't leave it there. Having bought an identical Toyota to the one that Teresa Halbach used, she recreated the State's theory by simulating an open cut inside the car.


Sweat DNA:



During Zellner's recreation, the DNA that was left by test subjects, who opened the hood latch on the identical car, was minimal. By contrast, the DNA that was found to be Avery's at the original crime scene was "rich."

The DNA supposedly coming from sweat (not actively bleeding cut Steven Avery allegedly had for some inexplicable reason) is 20x what is left by people actually touching a hoodlatch is expected to be.

Tracking dogs:



Teresa was tracked all over a neighboring property, but we know that Steven stayed home. Who was she with?

There's more, including the analysis of the bullet fragment already discussed above.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/making-...-steven-avery/
I finished it. It was interesting but way too long for the Developments they had. Many people won't finish this season.
Was still facinating to watch and actually seeing experts was really interesting even after reading alot about it the last 2 years.
10-30-2018 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Considering I didn't even remember your name I hardly see how this is a valid point to conclude I am somehow not observant.



Bull****, I just agreed I was wrong itt yesterday and do so whenever I am shown to be wrong. My mind has also been changed on certain aspects of this case several times. For example, I am now of the opinion that Dassey was most likely only involved in the cleanup of the murder and not the murder itself.

What aspects of the case have you changed your mind about? yanno.. Since you don't have aspergers.
Either you are full of **** and/ or even more mentally challenged than I thought from your last 2 posts directed at me .
I already shared my thought: no mind changing from s2 as it's even more one sided than s1.Some zellner experts had some weak theories but they were still making way more sense at worse than what sent Avery to jail.
Alot of experts had super strong demonstrations: anyone watching those blood splatters testimony and not seeing those evidences as shady as **** at the very least is beyond me.
10-30-2018 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
Either you are full of **** and/ or even more mentally challenged than I thought from your last 2 posts directed at me .
I already shared my thought: no mind changing from s2 as it's even more one sided than s1.Some zellner experts had some weak theories but they were still making way more sense at worse than what sent Avery to jail.
Alot of experts had super strong demonstrations: anyone watching those blood splatters testimony and not seeing those evidences as shady as **** at the very least is beyond me.
So a guy who hasn't changed his mind on any aspects of the case at all (you) refuses to interact with a guy who has (me) because there is no changing my mind?

Got it! Sorry it takes a while for mentally challenged individuals such as myself to process the logic of informed individuals such as yourself who are clearly thinking on a lvl 10.
10-30-2018 , 03:20 PM
Some of Zellners theory: Ryan snuck into averys trailer and stole blood out of his sink with a pipette and planted the blood in the rav 4 all within the small 30 minute window before the blood could coagulate.

The rav4 was planted on the property two days prior by colborn who informed ryan that the rav4 was planted. Because, who doesn't want to risk incriminating themselves with close relatives of the victim!

how did all of teresas remains get on the property? Simple! Ryan cremated teresa the night before then snuck around the property all night avoiding a loud dog while planting her nearly cremated remains in two different locations.

What about the bullet? Simple! We wont explain why the bullet has Teresas Dna on it or how LE would be lucky enough to find a fragment that was fired from averys gun.

We will just point out it has tiny wood particles on it as a huge red herring!

Right, this theory makes much more sense than the states case.

I guess were all just too mentally challenged to see the truth like you right?
10-30-2018 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
I finished it. It was interesting but way too long for the Developments they had. Many people won't finish this season.
Yes, it's not going to go over well with audiences that demand several car chases, a few explosions, and a high body count to pay attention.

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Was still fascinating to watch and actually seeing experts was really interesting even after reading alot about it the last 2 years.
Yes, I was interested in seeing some of the things demonstrated which I'd only read about.
10-30-2018 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Some of Zellners theory: Ryan snuck into averys trailer and stole blood out of his sink with a pipette and planted the blood in the rav 4 all within the small 30 minute window before the blood could coagulate.
It certainly would explain how Steven's blood might have gotten into a vehicle he never entered.

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The rav4 was planted on the property two days prior by colborn who informed ryan that the rav4 was planted. Because, who doesn't want to risk incriminating themselves with close relatives of the victim!
That would explain how Ryan got possession of paperwork Teresa had with her when she disappeared.

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how did all of teresas remains get on the property? Simple! Ryan cremated teresa the night before then snuck around the property all night avoiding a loud dog while planting her nearly cremated remains in two different locations.
They're not all of Teresa's remains. As everyone knows by now cremains were also found on an adjacent property where Teresa was but Steven wasn't.

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What about the bullet? Simple! We wont explain why the bullet has Teresas Dna on it or how LE would be lucky enough to find a fragment that was fired from averys gun.
I think the explanation for Teresa's DNA on the bullet fragment is similar to how Culhane's DNA got on a control sample.

It wasn't Steven's gun - it was Rollie Johnson's gun who testified he'd fired the gun all over the property and bullets and casing could be found everywhere from years before.

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We will just point out it has tiny wood particles on it as a huge red herring!
Nothing diversionary about pointing out the fragment struck a wooden object instead of a person. The question is do Manitowoc law enforcement employees believe Teresa was made of wood?

This was meant to be a murder investigation not an indictment on charges of cruelty to plywood.

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Right, this theory makes much more sense than the states case.

I guess were all just too mentally challenged to see the truth like you right?
Both you and Eddy agree that in your opinions some of the theories advanced were weak. Isn't that nice?
10-30-2018 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Although I think Footz is unreasonable, he seems to be the most reasonable out of the truthers.

Smacc buys into every theory on the planet.
Wrong... I have never spoke/written about any conspiracy theory's on any forums, period.
10-30-2018 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I wonder what the odds are that Zellner files anything else with the court in regards to avery? Now that the tv show is done it's gotta be less than 2/1.
I'm your huckleberry
10-30-2018 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Wrong... I have never spoke/written about any conspiracy theory's on any forums, period.
Don't sweat it. Guilters are contractually obligated to play the 'conspiracy theory' card. Fraley doesn't mean it.
10-30-2018 , 05:53 PM
Smacc,

Didn't you at some point argue that we don't know if Teresa is dead? You've also argued regularly that the bones in the burn pit may not be hers.
10-30-2018 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
It certainly would explain how Steven's blood might have gotten into a vehicle he never entered.
Or perhaps steven was just in the car? That is by far a more parsimonious explanation than someone breaking into averys trailer, stealing blood, and planting it in the car all within a 30 minute window before his blood coagulates.

not to mention, there would be a ton of other unexplained nuances if ryan did this. For example, the license plates to the rav 4 were in a different vehicle several yards away from the rav 4. Why would he remove the license plate if he wanted it to be found and risk getting seen while hes running all over the salvage yard?




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That would explain how Ryan got possession of paperwork Teresa had with her when she disappeared.
You mean the paper that was printed of her computer and later had notes added to it?

At best this is a non starter. She made a call to AT asking for a fax to get barbs address. This call took place around lunch time, presumably after the call from the person who claims she was in the car when taking the note.

its most likely this note was made while Teresa was at home. At best, you have 0 evidence to the contrary and its just speculation.



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They're not all of Teresa's remains. As everyone knows by now cremains were also found on an adjacent property where Teresa was but Steven wasn't.
You mean the unidentified pelvic bone that could have been from an animal? So what?


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I think the explanation for Teresa's DNA on the bullet fragment is similar to how Culhane's DNA got on a control sample.
Ahh, Teresa coughed on the bullet? Ok.

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It wasn't Steven's gun - it was Rollie Johnson's gun who testified he'd fired the gun all over the property and bullets and casing could be found everywhere from years before.
Doesn't matter, there were several guns being fired on that property. How did LE know that bullet would be linked to the gun in averys room? The same gun BD says avery used when shooting Teresa?



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Nothing diversionary about pointing out the fragment struck a wooden object instead of a person. The question is do Manitowoc law enforcement employees believe Teresa was made of wood?
again, particles of wood present on a bullet that has been sitting on a garage floor for at least 6 months does not demonstrate this bullet also didn't come into contact with a human body, especially considering the bullet tested positive for a humans DNA who is dead.

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This was meant to be a murder investigation not an indictment on charges of cruelty to plywood.
10-31-2018 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Or perhaps steven was just in the car? That is by far a more parsimonious explanation than someone breaking into averys trailer, stealing blood, and planting it in the car all within a 30 minute window before his blood coagulates.
Since Teresa's car was observed leaving ASY and Steven is known to have stayed put, we can't go with a theory that doesn't account for the facts. That might be 'parsimonious' but you can't simply cut facts out to make things simpler.

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not to mention, there would be a ton of other unexplained nuances if ryan did this. For example, the license plates to the rav 4 were in a different vehicle several yards away from the rav 4. Why would he remove the license plate if he wanted it to be found and risk getting seen while hes running all over the salvage yard?
Ironically, a person wouldn't have to be 'all over the salvage yard' to have stashed the license plate.




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You mean the paper that was printed of her computer and later had notes added to it?
Yep, the piece of paper Teresa printed and took with her while she made her appointments throughout the day.

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At best this is a non starter. She made a call to AT asking for a fax to get barbs address. This call took place around lunch time, presumably after the call from the person who claims she was in the car when taking the note.
This story doesn't make sense. Is the theory that Teresa was told about the Janda appointment without getting told where it was? So she had to go back to Auto Trader and ask where to go? Then wait around for the information when other appointments might be missed? Then left the paper that had all the relevant information she needed to make the appointments?

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its most likely this note was made while Teresa was at home. At best, you have 0 evidence to the contrary and its just speculation.
It's mere speculation that Teresa would leave her planner with all the appointments she was trying to make at home. I mean, aside from making zero sense.

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You mean the unidentified pelvic bone that could have been from an animal? So what?
Cremains identified as human on the adjacent property, where dogs tracked Teresa.

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Ahh, Teresa coughed on the bullet? Ok.
Not as far as I'm aware. But Culhane's lab was plagued with incompetence, sloppiness, fraud, drunkenness on the job, etc. Probably not a good idea to put anyone's fate in those unsteady and filthy hands.

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Doesn't matter, there were several guns being fired on that property. How did LE know that bullet would be linked to the gun in averys room? The same gun BD says avery used when shooting Teresa?
Odds are pretty good that bullets found near Rollie Johnson's house would be one of the hundreds that come from Rollie Johnson's gun.

Besides, the law enforcement employees working the case felt free to give orders to forensics - 'put Teresa in Avery's house of garage' for example.

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again, particles of wood present on a bullet that has been sitting on a garage floor for at least 6 months does not demonstrate this bullet also didn't come into contact with a human body, especially considering the bullet tested positive for a humans DNA who is dead.


As for the wood embedded in the fragment, that's what we expect from a bullet that struck a wooden object. A bullet that strikes a person would be expected to have human blood, flesh, or bone.

The DNA is a non-issue, as we know Culhane couldn't be trusted to conduct an experiment without contaminating it.
10-31-2018 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Smacc,

Didn't you at some point argue that we don't know if Teresa is dead? You've also argued regularly that the bones in the burn pit may not be hers.
MtDna does not prove they are TH. Do you even science bro?

      
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