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10-21-2018 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
A)I can take or leave slashers & consider them one of the weaker sub genres of horror actually, fwiw .
he fact remains, you watch these images of nubile young women terrorized, assaulted, murdered, dismembered for your entertainment.

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B) "Torture porn" wrt horror doesn't actually exist & was a term coined by critic David Edelstein to describe horror films he personally didn't like & also the film The Passion of the Christ. People like you probably regard the likes of Airplane!(1979) as "comedy porn", lazy & stupid as you are.
Well, you are the expert - having spent so many hundreds of hours watching scenes depicting torture and murder.

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C) Nobody cares about your apparent obsession with me any more than they care about your obsession with real murderers rapists and mutilators,or my liking for fictitious horror films.
Nobody has to care about me one way or the other to observe that you are a disingenuous hypocrite and liar.

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D)I'm proud to be a horror fan & much prefer it than getting off on real murderous sex crimes against women like you clearly do, very probable misogynist that you are, you creepy murderer groupie weirdo.
While all I have to do is tell the truth about you to reveal you are an unreliable narrator, you have to resort to lying about me. Par for the course for you.

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E) You STILL haven't made a case for innocence for Cuddly Steve & his tubby rapist nephew or refuted the evidence...as usual.
You seem obsessed about how 'cuddly' Steven Avery is. It speaks volumes about your mode of thinking.

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F) You're still a murderer groupie creep. (See what I mean about being able to go all the way to Z here btw, so impressive is your list of flaws? )
Since you spend hour after hour entertaining yourself with images of torture and murder (usually of young women) your words make a very good description of your own psychology. Well done in the projection booth!

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Stop shilling for murderers you creepy and quite disgusting little man
This parting shot makes no sense, as I don't advocate for murderers.

But as already demonstrated, you are transparently more interested in deceiving others than in participating in an honest and rational discussion.
10-21-2018 , 05:52 AM
Grunching but the day planner seems like a pretty big deal.

Would love to see a full retrial with Zellner going in hard against all the prosecution witnesses.
10-21-2018 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP Making a Murderer
Grunching but the day planner seems like a pretty big deal.
Key word: "seems". Zellner is a lot like (a less charismatic) Donald Trump in the way she spews bull**** and makes baseless accusations, and Making a Murderer S2 is like a Fox News interview with him by Sean Hannity.

The simple reality is that the planner was left at her home where her friends found it. There is no legitimate reason to believe otherwise (at least not presented in Avery's motions), and her cell tower records (all from her home location until ~1pm) corroborate this.

For a long-winded, but accurate analysis of it all: https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAvery...providing_the/
10-21-2018 , 06:24 AM
You'd think this woman's credibility would be shot after she droned on about how great the brain-fingerprinting technology was, but somehow people are still soaking up her piss.
10-21-2018 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
he fact remains, you watch these images of nubile young women terrorized, assaulted, murdered, dismembered for your entertainment.
The fact remains that I'm a proud& unapologetic horror fan. I get that you're not into films which empathise with victims & clearly can't tell the difference between fictitious entertainment & murderer advocacy hence your slavish devotion to MAM's fiction. It's again one of the may many reasons nobody with an IQ exceeding Avery's takes you or the rest of your ilk remotely seriously.

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Well, you are the expert - having spent so many hundreds of hours watching scenes depicting torture and murder.
I know I'm the expert compared to your piss poor knowledge of horror & failure to tell the difference between fiction & actual reality, but thanks



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Nobody has to care about me one way or the other to observe that you are a disingenuous hypocrite and liar.
I haven't lied once itt nor am I a hypocrite & your stupidity is your problem don't expect ordinary people to dumb themselves down to your stupid level.



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While all I have to do is tell the truth about you to reveal you are an unreliable narrator, you have to resort to lying about me. Par for the course for you.
You're incapable of telling the truth you lied Avery was framed for the '85 rape & conflate failed defence argument & Zellner's burblings with actual evidence you big eejit.



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You seem obsessed about how 'cuddly' Steven Avery is. It speaks volumes about your mode of thinking.
Not at all he & his serial killer looking nephew are still eating lunch in the prison cafeteria ...




...so it's all good in my world as in the world of truth & reality, rather than the weird parallel conspiracy permeated universe you dwell in you Flavour aid drinking loon.


Haven't bothered reading the rest of your sh**e.

Last edited by corpus vile; 10-21-2018 at 06:42 AM.
10-21-2018 , 06:47 AM
Finished Season 2.....

I cannot remember Season 1 enough but when did Steven Avery first bring up the stuff about the cleaned up blood in his sink? I assume it was after they found his blood in the Rav4. This theory seems very hard to believe for me. First you'd have to have Steven Avery dripping blood all over his sink, and then deciding not to clean it up himself which I think most people would do in that circumstance, and then you'd have to have someone else sneaking into his trailer and extracting that blood from his sink, which how would they even assume it was there in the first place.

In the end the season felt very over the top with some of the "new" theories.
The people that believe Steven Avery is guilty and a scumbag should definitely watch the last episode though as the phone call between Steven Avery, Barb Tadych, and Scott Tadych is great part and Scott Tadych's reaction to Steven Avery and his lawyer's accusations acts in the way you'd expect someone to act that is being wrongfully accused of something.

That is one thing you never see in Steven Avery's tone. He never seems genuinely pissed off when speaking of his wrongful conviction to people. It's also interesting that he now acts as if he would take the stand in court in a new trial. Why didn't he take the stand in the first trial? I think most people with nothing to hide and being accused of something they didn't do would be eager to take the stand in their defense.
10-21-2018 , 07:20 AM
I just wanted to check in this thread to see everyone's opinion on season 2, and it's still the same 3-4 people having the same discussion as 3 years ago. This thread is the biggest pile of aids on 2+2 and everyone with 100+ posts in this thread should feel bad.
10-21-2018 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by cneuy3 Making a Murderer
Finished Season 2.....

I cannot remember Season 1 enough but when did Steven Avery first bring up the stuff about the cleaned up blood in his sink? I assume it was after they found his blood in the Rav4. This theory seems very hard to believe for me. First you'd have to have Steven Avery dripping blood all over his sink, and then deciding not to clean it up himself which I think most people would do in that circumstance, and then you'd have to have someone else sneaking into his trailer and extracting that blood from his sink, which how would they even assume it was there in the first place.

In the end the season felt very over the top with some of the "new" theories.
I'm glad you can realize and acknowledge this. While I may not agree with them, I can still respect Buting and Strang's professionalism and the case they made for their client overall. I can't say nearly the same for Zellner. I'm sure they don't cover in the show how poor of a job she's done - not only are the theories absurd, she frequently made false claims that could easily be refuted, she had her client give three separate affidavits that all contradict each other, she completely changed her arguments in her amendments to her rejected motion, she bad-mouthed the judge, the county, pretty much every lawyer, and even the victim(!), and she frequently made basic legal mistakes that completely ****ed Avery over (filing in the wrong courts, filing before testing was even finished, forgetting to file for extensions, etc.). It really has been a trainwreck.

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The people that believe Steven Avery is guilty and a scumbag
Even if you think he may be innocent, surely you realize he's a giant scumbag, right? Even disregarding the murder, he has a long history of abuse, rape, and death threats involving numerous women.


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should definitely watch the last episode though as the phone call between Steven Avery, Barb Tadych, and Scott Tadych is great part and Scott Tadych's reaction to Steven Avery and his lawyer's accusations acts in the way you'd expect someone to act that is being wrongfully accused of something.
I'm not sure if I've heard it before, but I've definitely read the transcripts. It's both hilarious and revolting how low a desperate Zellner went with that phone call (she ended up using that call as "evidence" Scott is the real killer lol), and it's really sad what she (and the filmmakers, and Avery supporters) put the Dasseys and Tadych's (along with Ryan, the Halbachs, law enforcement, and all the other innocent people) through.


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That is one thing you never see in Steven Avery's tone. He never seems genuinely pissed off when speaking of his wrongful conviction to people. It's also interesting that he now acts as if he would take the stand in court in a new trial. Why didn't he take the stand in the first trial? I think most people with nothing to hide and being accused of something they didn't do would be eager to take the stand in their defense.
Overall, Steven is a convincing liar, and I think he believes he's even better at lying than he is, given his numerous talks with police and media early on. However, if he took the stand at the trial, my guess is they'd have Fallon cross-examine him, and Avery would have been questioned about all the women he abused/raped, about his previous harassment of Teresa, about using *67 to call Teresa the first two times before she arrived but not after her phone was turned off, about denying he had the fire before the bones were even found, etc. Things wouldn't have gone well for him.
10-21-2018 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro Making a Murderer
I just wanted to check in this thread to see everyone's opinion on season 2, and it's still the same 3-4 people having the same discussion as 3 years ago. This thread is the biggest pile of aids on 2+2 and everyone with 100+ posts in this thread should feel bad.
So much this.
10-21-2018 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Key word: "seems". Zellner is a lot like (a less charismatic) Donald Trump in the way she spews bull**** and makes baseless accusations, and Making a Murderer S2 is like a Fox News interview with him by Sean Hannity.

The simple reality is that the planner was left at her home where her friends found it. There is no legitimate reason to believe otherwise (at least not presented in Avery's motions), and her cell tower records (all from her home location until ~1pm) corroborate this.

For a long-winded, but accurate analysis of it all: https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAvery...providing_the/
Lol soon as you said "long winded" I knew I'd see it was by NYJ. I'm firmly convinced bard re Avery & Dassey's guilt but wouldn't consider NYJ a reliable source on anything, bloke's a lying bastard when it comes to a certain other sex killer this one unjustly acquitted & another victim denigrating murderer groupie ultimately even if he does believe in Avery & Dassey's guilt.
10-21-2018 , 09:44 AM
Long-winded for sure, but he knows what he's talking about (especially regarding the legal arguments, which he's pretty much correctly predicted every step of the way).
10-21-2018 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Long-winded for sure, but he knows what he's talking about (especially regarding the legal arguments, which he's pretty much correctly predicted every step of the way).
He may be well versed in the Teresa Halbach case but I can quite literally 100% assure you he's a lying pos when it comes to the Meredith Kercher case & Amanda Knox. He lied Knox was exonerated lied that one of Ms Kercher's murderers Guede was convicted of rape, burglary & was a known burglar, lied about one of several prosecutors during Knox's due process (sound familiar btw? Same tropes for different folks) & claimed a wiki style site which avails of the primary sources as does SAIG, was "A Kercher propaganda site" which is victim denigration & the equivalent of branding SAIG "A Halbach propaganda site". Furthermore he continued to blatantly lie & spam the same responses when his lies were debunked via the verbatim passages from the acquitting report proving his lies on Knox Guede and all the other lies he told whenever he posted on the topic. As well as lies he was utterly inconsistent as Knox was convicted at her trial on a boatload more evidence than Dassey for example.

So I stand by my comments he's a murderer groupie, a liar, a person of low character who attacks murder victims grieving families & an inconsistent weirdo & again not what I'd consider a valid reliable or credible source on anything, sorry.
10-21-2018 , 10:15 AM
Between hearing the judges argue and watching the Kavanaugh hearings I'm convinced the judges in the US are the absolute worst. Half of them are were like wow how is this even allowed this is a travesty and half of them are like please stop wasting my time with your pathetic arguments. Cops will be cops. The male judges especially were all about exercising their dominance being condescending and trying to belittle the defense. One of them ****s started laughing at one point.
10-21-2018 , 10:41 AM
Yeah, when the showed the 7th court thing, first with the 3 judges and then the whole panel, you had the feeling that all of them already had made up their mind. There was no debate, no looking at facts, just every judge running with their own predetermined opinion and ruling.

The few that do look at the facts are overruled by those who protect the system and decisions down the pyramid AT ANY COST. Anything gets appealed by them until they get their desired ruling eradicating any possibility of reviewing any new facts and avoiding any retry of the case.

The whole thing is so messed up it really triggered me.
10-21-2018 , 11:33 AM
Unfortunately for Brendan, the laws are the laws, and circuit court isn't where laws are meant to be changed.
10-21-2018 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP Making a Murderer
Grunching but the day planner seems like a pretty big deal.
Yep. Just one more gaping hole in the hypothesis that 'all the evidence points at Steven Avery'.

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Would love to see a full retrial with Zellner going in hard against all the prosecution witnesses.
Yes, I don't think the state's witnesses or the state's lawyers would do very well.
10-21-2018 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by slanche Making a Murderer
Yeah, when the showed the 7th court thing, first with the 3 judges and then the whole panel, you had the feeling that all of them already had made up their mind. There was no debate, no looking at facts, just every judge running with their own predetermined opinion and ruling.

The few that do look at the facts are overruled by those who protect the system and decisions down the pyramid AT ANY COST. Anything gets appealed by them until they get their desired ruling eradicating any possibility of reviewing any new facts and avoiding any retry of the case.

The whole thing is so messed up it really triggered me.
It's pretty difficult to try and come up with reasons to believe the judicial system isn't corrupt.
10-21-2018 , 08:41 PM
I addressed this in detail elsewhere in the thread but the day planner was at her house not in her car.

We know this because she didn’t know the address to barbs before she took the call in which she left the note on the planner. Also it wasn’t a planner, it was a copy of a page that was printed off From her computer.

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10-22-2018 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I addressed this in detail elsewhere in the thread but the day planner was at her house not in her car.

We know this because she didnít know the address to barbs before she took the call in which she left the note on the planner. Also it wasnít a planner, it was a copy of a page that was printed off From her computer.
According to Zellner it had a handwritten note on it from a call she took in the afternoon on the day she went missing.
10-22-2018 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP Making a Murderer
According to Zellner it had a handwritten note on it from a call she took in the afternoon on the day she went missing.
There's a note on the paper copy of TH's weekly schedule presumably containing info from a call she took around 11:30 AM.

A witness claims she remembers (for the first time, a dozen years later) that when calling TH around 11:35 AM, TH told her she needed to pull over because she was driving.

TH didn't leave for her first appointment until around 12:51 PM, when she called the guy to tell her she would be heading over there soon.

Tower records show that all three of these calls, along with every other call that morning, ping off her home tower (with 12:51 being the very last time).

So even if TH was in the car during this 11:35 AM phone call, as this witness now recalls, there is no reason she couldn't have went back home to write down the info or drop the paper off if she had it in her car.

Therefore, there's no legitimate reason to conclude she had that sheet of paper with her in her car rather than at home.
10-22-2018 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
There's a note on the paper copy of TH's weekly schedule presumably containing info from a call she took around 11:30 AM.

A witness claims she remembers (for the first time, a dozen years later) that when calling TH around 11:35 AM, TH told her she needed to pull over because she was driving.

TH didn't leave for her first appointment until around 12:51 PM, when she called the guy to tell her she would be heading over there soon.

Tower records show that all three of these calls, along with every other call that morning, ping off her home tower (with 12:51 being the very last time).

So even if TH was in the car during this 11:35 AM phone call, as this witness now recalls, there is no reason she couldn't have went back home to write down the info or drop the paper off if she had it in her car.

Therefore, there's no legitimate reason to conclude she had that sheet of paper with her in her car rather than at home.
1130 - she's out in her car, stops to take a call, notes down an appointment on the day planner.

1245 - she's out in her car, stops to take a call, notes down an appointment on the day planner.

The rest of her schedule is too tight to be able to return home, drop off the day planner (for what reason btw?) and then make it to the Avery lot on time.
10-22-2018 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP Making a Murderer
1130 - she's out in her car, stops to take a call, notes down an appointment on the day planner.

1245 - she's out in her car, stops to take a call, notes down an appointment on the day planner.
Where did you get the idea that at 12:45 she is in her car, stops to take a call, and notes down an appointment in her "day planner". I don't even think Zellner has claimed that.


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The rest of her schedule is too tight to be able to return home, drop off the day planner (for what reason btw?) and then make it to the Avery lot on time.
It's most likely that she never had that sheet of paper in her car in the first place and always kept it by her computer, because she also had a palm pilot to keep track of everything.
10-22-2018 , 04:04 AM
Maybe in a parallel universe it would make sense for her to print off an itinerary to consult as she goes from job to job, make notes on it in her car, then make a special trip to drop it off at home before she makes all the appointments on the planner.
10-22-2018 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Where did you get the idea that at 12:45 she is in her car, stops to take a call, and notes down an appointment in her "day planner". I don't even think Zellner has claimed that.
Season 2, episode 9, witness says he called her, she said she was in her car, she pulls over and again notes down on the day planner that he wants photos taken of 2 cars.
10-22-2018 , 05:04 AM
Ah, the guy from 12:45 PM who has a different recollection 12 years later and now believes she said she was in Sheboygan, despite the cell tower records still pinging off her home tower 45 minutes away from Sheboygan.

      
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