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07-19-2018 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
I'm free & easy & at liberty, unlike Avery & Dassey.
This reminds me of that other 2+2er that has "not in prison for life" as his location.

The two of you really make me feel like you have reasons to take this case VERY personally.

I'm not sure whether there are "murderers groupies" ITT, but there sure seem to be "guilters" taking things very personally. Why is the big question.

Take it from someone that's not really sure what to think when it comes to Avery's culpability. (Less so regarding Dassey).
07-19-2018 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam Making a Murderer
This reminds me of that other 2+2er that has "not in prison for life" as his location.

The two of you really make me feel like you have reasons to take this case VERY personally.
That's me! Not taking things personally and no reason for commenting except that there's some people wrong on the internet.


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I'm not sure whether there are "murderers groupies" ITT, but there sure seem to be "guilters" taking things very personally. Why is the big question.
Perhaps people are taking things personally because of the constant personal attacks on them, but I don't really share your opinion in the first place - perhaps it is your own biased perspective preventing you from recognizing the countless insults hurled our way?


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Take it from someone that's not really sure what to think when it comes to Avery's culpability. (Less so regarding Dassey).
To me, your position on Avery's culpability is no different than the following positions:

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Take it from someone that's not really sure what to think when it comes to Sandy Hook.
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Take it from someone that's not really sure what to think when it comes to the Holocaust.
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Take it from someone that's not really sure what to think when it comes to pizzagate.
which is why I do not respect it. I equate it to a position of either ignorance or a conspiracy-theory mindset.

Ignorance of the case is not necessarily a bad thing, but then one should be aware of that fact. I have provided you with helpful sources in the past when you asked, and I'm happy to discuss the case with you in a rational and civil manner.
07-19-2018 , 11:13 PM
I'd suggest comparing Kamikam to a Holocaust denier is pretty good evidence you won't be able to hold up your end of a rational and civil manner.
07-20-2018 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam Making a Murderer
This reminds me of that other 2+2er that has "not in prison for life" as his location.
??...Okay?

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The two of you really make me feel like you have reasons to take this case VERY personally.
Irrelevant whether we're apathetic or obsessed, we still agree with multiple courts of law verdicts & advocates itt have still provided absolutely nothing to back up their claims for either a frame up or coercion- that's it. So how any one individual may personally feel on the issue is neither here nor there.

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I'm not sure whether there are "murderers groupies" ITT, but there sure seem to be "guilters" taking things very personally. Why is the big question.
There's no such word as "guilter".It doesn't exist. It was originally coined by Amanda Knox groupies then adopted by Adnan Syed Groupies & now it's adopted by Avery's kool aid guzzling fanclub. Also what's a "guilter" anyway? For Knox groupies it was those who felt guilt "despite" the evidence indicating innocence, according to them only it didn't. Evidence against Knox was overwhelming.

For Avery's groupies a "guilter" appeared to be someone who agreed with the verdicts of separate courts. I say appeared as they seem a bit vague when it comes to explanations.

Yet now according to you a "guilter" is someone who takes stuff personally? Which is it? Why do you think such made up words don't have advocates of various scumbags coming across as a creepy-ass sinister cult, which they use to label "unbelievers"?

As for murderer groupies, itt we've had:

Victim denigration via odious accusations against the murder victim's brother.
Dismissing the overwhelming evidence via baseless illogical implausible spurious accusations re frame ups with nothing to support it.
Bar raising for killers while innuendo/speculation/accusation sufficient for so-called "alternate suspects".
Attacks on the prosecution, cops, courts, juries, even the victim's family & now Dassey's family in a pathetic anyone but the convicted killers defence which was exactly what Knox groupies did as well as WM3 groupies.
A martyring of both convicted murderers...

^^If there aren't murderer groupies itt then Avery & Dassey's fan club do a damn good impression of them as these are the exact same tropes Knox groupies engaged in on the Knox thread...same tropes for different folks & it's a crock.

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Take it from someone that's not really sure what to think when it comes to Avery's culpability.(Less so regarding Dassey).
In that case you haven't read the evidence or court sources as like Knox, evidence is overwhelming against Avery & in its totality, sufficient against Dassey. If you have read them then sorry but you don't know how to assess evidence properly, no offence, particularly wrt Avery.

Last edited by corpus vile; 07-20-2018 at 02:53 AM.
07-20-2018 , 09:49 AM
lol PoorSkillz.

To write such dumb **** you have to either be trolling/arguing in complete bad faith, or be insanely stupid. I lean toward the former. I hope for your sake that it's the case.
07-20-2018 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Evidence against Knox was overwhelming.
As overwhelming as in the Avery's case ? Because last I checked, she wasn't found guilty

(Just playing with you, ***** obviously did it)
07-20-2018 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam Making a Murderer
lol PoorSkillz.

To write such dumb **** you have to either be trolling/arguing in complete bad faith, or be insanely stupid. I lean toward the former. I hope for your sake that it's the case.
I think you may have put your finger on what these 'guilters' have in common.
07-20-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam Making a Murderer
As overwhelming as in the Avery's case ? Because last I checked, she wasn't found guilty

(Just playing with you, ***** obviously did it)
Touche

And yeah pretty much as overwhelming, the amount of evidence against Avery in particular would put anyone away & lots in prisons convicted on far less than him.
07-20-2018 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam Making a Murderer
lol PoorSkillz.

To write such dumb **** you have to either be trolling/arguing in complete bad faith, or be insanely stupid. I lean toward the former. I hope for your sake that it's the case.
Your post contains nothing but personal insults.

I have provided you with helpful sources in the past when you asked, and I'm happy to discuss the case with you in a rational and civil manner.

If you just continue with personal insults, I'll put you on the ignore list, as it seems you have nothing of substance to contribute, and I don't have the patience corpus vile does.
07-20-2018 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Touche

And yeah pretty much as overwhelming, the amount of evidence against Avery in particular would put anyone away & lots in prisons convicted on far less than him.
What do you think is the percentage of murderers who plead not guilty and are subsequently convicted on less evidence than Avery?

My guess is over 90%.

The evidence against Avery was so overwhelming that they had no defense except that all the evidence was planted, despite no evidence anything was planted.
07-21-2018 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam Making a Murderer
lol PoorSkillz.

To write such dumb **** you have to either be trolling/arguing in complete bad faith, or be insanely stupid. I lean toward the former. I hope for your sake that it's the case.
Sorry but how is it dumb exactly? It's dumb to deny the Holocaust in the face of overwhelming evidence but people still do it for all sorts of reasons. Zero evidence Pizzagate is anything other than a 4chan invention & zero evidence that 9/11 was done by anyone other than a bunch of whacked out jihadists, yet people still insist it was the guv'mint/Zionists/New World Order/Whoevs, insisting on the narrative above all else.

The precise same thing is happening here. There is absolutely no evidence LE planted anything & no evidence anyone else other than Avery & Dassey murdered Teresa. Yet the narrative is still adhered to no matter what the evidence & facts say & no matter how contrary the narrative is- Avery's sudden about face re alternate suspects is nothing short of ridiculous. Are people now supposed to ignore Ryan or Teresa's brother, just as they were supposed to ignore corrupt LE when newer, shinier suspects were introduced? Is everyone supposed to now regard Bobby Dassey & Scott Tadych as "The Real Killers®™" and completely ignore the previous conspiracy theories?

That's a crock & utterly insane.

So I don't think Poor Skillz is being stupid or trolling & find his comparisons rather apt.
07-21-2018 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
What do you think is the percentage of murderers who plead not guilty and are subsequently convicted on less evidence than Avery?

My guess is over 90%.
Wouldn't know a % but I know plenty of cases in western nations though, including the US where the defendant was convicted on much less evidence. Both Dassey & Adnan Syed were convicted on a lot less evidence than Avery, as was child rapist Louis Lamonica & his cult, as was Scott Peterson, not to mention Charles Manson & Woody Harrelson's Dad Charles & that's just off the top of my head. As an aside, (considering that supporters of various killers tend to insist that courts can get it wrong dontcha know) courts & juries usually get it right despite the system being flawed & wrongful convictions occurring, and in these cases they did get it right when one looks at the totality of evidence against Avery & Dassey.

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The evidence against Avery was so overwhelming that they had no defense except that all the evidence was planted, despite no evidence anything was planted.
Indeed & the defence expected a hypothesis without evidence to support it to supersede actual evidence submitted to the court. Take that to its (il)logical conclusion & you could empty out the prisons tomorrow based on such nonsense, as I said earlier itt or indeed fill them up again, as if a hypothesis with nothing to back it up can trump actual evidence to acquit, then surely on the flip side a hypothesis with zero backing can trump a lack of evidence to convict...right? IOW replace an already imperfect flawed system with some insane exercise in emotive whimsy, ultimately.

These people have no conception of the actual potential ramifications of their childish unrealistic expectations. Just a stamp their feet mentality until they get what they want. Such a mindset released the West Memphis 3 & other murderers under Alford pleas. It could potentially release the likes of Adnan Syed.

Supporters trying to curry favour for killers in the court of public opinion in order to subvert justice as for them, it's all about the narrative & outcome.

And again it's a crock & a potentially very worrisome & dangerous phenomenon that's becoming a veritable cottage industry lately, thanks to the likes of Netflix & biased dishonest podcasts. Like I said- Groupies gonna group. They'll deny they're murderer groupies until they're blue in the face & some of them even aren't but many of supporters of convicted killers are ultimately simply groupies, hence their adherence to their narrative, victim denigration, conspiracy theories & all the other tropes, memes & smoke & mirrors bs they engage in, regardless of what particular killer they're advocating for.

Last edited by corpus vile; 07-21-2018 at 03:44 AM.
07-21-2018 , 06:55 AM
While a couple of people might want everyone to believe it's all over, it turns out that in real life the case is undergoing a serious reconsideration in light of new evidence (actually evidence apparently withheld by the state to hamstring the defense):

Avery’s appeal is presently back at the Circuit Court of Manitowoc after a decision relating to an undisclosed CD of potentially exculpatory nature was remanded back to them by the 2nd District Court of Appeals in Wisconsin.

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Details included in Zellner’s latest filing reveal that the State of Wisconsin “[b]egan conducting a new investigation of certain issues related to Teresa Halbach’s murder raised in current post-conviction counsel’s Motion for Post-Conviction Relief filed on June 7, 2017.” Upon the receipt of a Freedom of Information Act request by Zellner’s investigator James Kirby, 64-pages of police reports were received dating back to August 30th of last year.

Exhibits within Zellner’s latest filing show redacted police reports detailing the collection and subsequent return of the computer tower, which was taken, “for reasons of possible additional forensic examination.” The tower, held by State investigators for 146 days was returned April 5th, 2018.

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[T]he handing over of the computer tower itself occurred a mere 9-days after Avery’s attorneys filed his Amended Supplement to Previously Filed Motion for Reconsideration, which included a recorded telephone conversation between Avery and his sister Barbara Tadych—with her husband, Scott Tadych, heard in the background. The conversation, which further fanned the flames to the notion that Halbach left the Avery salvage yard after taking photos of the then Barbara Janda’s automobile, will be of key importance to Avery as he seeks to prove that a Denny Ruling—imposed upon his original attorneys—was unjust, due to non-disclosure of exculpatory evidence withheld by the State leading up to his trial in 2007. The lack of disclosure, if deemed substantive by the court, would constitute a Brady Violation, and in doing so, offer Avery relief.


https://criminaljusticereformjournal...ion-once-more/

Setting aside for the moment the desperate need exhibited by 'guilters' to pretend it's all over, and that no evidence has been produced of bad faith in the prosecution of Steven Avery, we can see that people with the required expertise and real life responsibilities continue to treat the case as worthy of consideration.

The investigation continues...
07-21-2018 , 08:03 AM
There's no such word as "guilter" please provide a definition of this non existent term. (cue more waffle/deflection/evasion from Avery & Dassey's fan club)
It is all over & Zellner hasn't produced any exculpatory evidence or seems to know the meaning of the term. The investigation has until the rest of Avery's natural life without parole. Neither he & Dassey are going anywhere & are still safely off the streets.
07-21-2018 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer
Sorry but how is it dumb exactly? It's dumb to deny the Holocaust in the face of overwhelming evidence but people still do it for all sorts of reasons. Zero evidence Pizzagate is anything other than a 4chan invention & zero evidence that 9/11 was done by anyone other than a bunch of whacked out jihadists, yet people still insist it was the guv'mint/Zionists/New World Order/Whoevs, insisting on the narrative above all else.

The precise same thing is happening here. There is absolutely no evidence LE planted anything & no evidence anyone else other than Avery & Dassey murdered Teresa. Yet the narrative is still adhered to no matter what the evidence & facts say & no matter how contrary the narrative is- Avery's sudden about face re alternate suspects is nothing short of ridiculous. Are people now supposed to ignore Ryan or Teresa's brother, just as they were supposed to ignore corrupt LE when newer, shinier suspects were introduced? Is everyone supposed to now regard Bobby Dassey & Scott Tadych as "The Real Killers®™" and completely ignore the previous conspiracy theories?

That's a crock & utterly insane.

So I don't think Poor Skillz is being stupid or trolling & find his comparisons rather apt.
Thanks.

The point I'm really trying to make is that saying you're unsure of something and/or taking a neutral position is not always a rational position, especially in cases where the reality is clear and the person is aware of the relevant facts.

For instance, many people will claim they are "not really sure what to think when it comes to" the Holocaust for example, and then cite a bunch of random facts that cast doubt on the actual reality to justify that uncertainty. To normal society, these people are nothing more than conspiracy theorists, just as those who flat-out deny the Holocaust happened.
07-21-2018 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam Making a Murderer
As overwhelming as in the Avery's case ? Because last I checked, she wasn't found guilty

(Just playing with you, ***** obviously did it)
Knox was convicted by the trial court and the appeal court. The acquitting panel of the supreme court found that she was 'certainly' present when the murder was committed, that she washed the victim's blood off her hands afterwards, that she faked the break-in, that she lied to investigators and gave a 'failed alibi', and that she falsely blamed an innocent man to cover for an associate who could incriminate her if questioned. You may well wonder why that supreme court panel acquitted, all things considered. (Corruption, probably. It's Italy. And her boyfriend's family and their lawyer have 'connections'.)

The US courts don't seem to like Avery and Dassey very much, which is because they provably killed someone in terrible circumstances. The media like them because the media are always 'OMG miscarriage of justice!' whereas 'Cops arrest right people, court duly convicts' isn't a story and there's no money in it. That's all.

The late British journalist Paul Foot, as I think I've mentioned, made a whole career out of pretending that James Hanratty didn't commit the murder he was hanged for. He did commit it, and DNA eventually put it beyond all doubt, and Foot still wouldn't accept it. Foot also agitated for the Bridgewater Four, whose convictions were overturned solely on procedural and not factual grounds, the Court of Appeal's narrative verdict making very clear that they did in fact commit the murder. But the media still went 'OMG miscarriage of justice!' without ever reading the court's report.
07-21-2018 , 06:53 PM
Just reviewing the 1985 case built against Steven Avery which serves as the template for understanding the controversy surrounding the 2005 case built around Steven Avery.

If no one knew that Steven Avery was exonerated after being falsely accused of a violent assault and rape that he could not possibly have committed, i doubt very many would be skeptical about the charges in the alleged murder of Teresa Halbach. If Law Enforcement (and their groupies) are upset about this, they only have themselves to blame.

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‘Making A Murderer’:
A Thorough Look At The Case That Put An Innocent Man In Prison For 18 Years


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When Steven Avery was again arrested in 2005 for the murder of Teresa Halbach, he claimed he was being framed by the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department. A strong accusation, but it all starts to make sense when you look into his treatment by them in his 1985 case.


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[W]here things go really bad for Avery is when Deputy Judy Dvorak takes Beerntsen’s statement after her assault and tells her superiors the perpetrator sounds like Avery. That’s despite several key differences in Penny’s original written statement between the perpetrator and Avery: different height (5-foot-11 vs 5-foot-1), different builds (athletic vs. stocky), different eye color (brown vs. blue), and different hair color (blonde vs. brown).

According to Deputy Arland Avery (Steven Avery’s uncle), Sheriff Kocourek’s right hand man Deputy Sheriff Gene Kusche made a composite drawing based not on Penny Beerntsen’s description but a copy of Steven Avery’s mugshot from the incident with his cousin (a charge Kusche denies). They presented that image to Beerntsen, who confirmed it looked like the assailant. They then showed her a lineup of mugshots with the image of Avery.

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“So they show Penny Beerntsen Steven’s picture,” she [Reesa Evans] says in Making a Murderer. “And then she sees a lineup later and Steven is the only person she’s seen before. Plus she had the sheriff’s deputy saying ‘I think it sounds like this guy.’ That’s pretty suggestive.”

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“So I went over and asked to see him and the deputy told me that the sheriff (Kocourek) had told him to leave him off the jail list [so that he could have a lawyer], that he not be given access to the phone, which is illegal, that he not be allowed any visitors, and that he be held in a cell block all by himself so he could have no contact with anybody. The sheriff didn’t want him to be able to talk to anybody, including a lawyer. And I never saw that before, or since.”

It didn’t take long for people in law enforcement to note the attack on Penny Beerntsen sounded like the work of Gregory Allen. Shortly after his arrest, Manitowoc Police Detective Thomas Bergner visited Sheriff Kocourek and told him about Allen. Bergner recalls Kocourek responding, “We’ve got our man.”

There’s good reason for the Manitowoc city police to suspect Allen. He was under constant surveillance by the department after a string of disturbing sexual crimes and had had a detail of police assigned to track his movements for the 13 days leading up to the Beerntsen attack. On average, they checked up on him about four times a day. One day they investigated him 14 times.

The police even called Beerntsen to inform her of the existence of Gregory Allen. When she contacted the sheriff’s department, she was told to stop talking to the police...

When charges were laid, several women in the District Attorney’s Office also noted the case sounded like the work of Gregory Allen, but they were ignored by prosecutor Denis Vogel. After Avery was cleared by DNA evidence in 2003, his file on the case was reviewed and it included a criminal complaint from 1983 against Allen, where he attempted to sexually assault a woman on the same beach Beerntsen was attacked.

The man who prosecuted that case? Denis Vogel.


https://uproxx.com/tv/making-a-murderer-1985-case/

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Knowing the local Law Enforcement is apt to make egregious errors (generously assuming it was an 'accident' the wrong man was convicted and the real culprit was allowed to continue to prey on innocent women while Avery rotted in prison) due to their bias, you really can't blame anyone for maintaining a healthy skepticism toward the system that put an innocent man in prison for a crime he never committed.
07-22-2018 , 05:29 AM
Nobody itt has ever claimed the system is infallible. Yet again (seeing as certain posters seem incapable of grasping this) wrongful convictions can, do& very probably will continue to occur in an imperfect system and yet again there's zero evidence Avery was actually framed for rape & not a scintilla of proof has been provided to support this false claim, which yet again was already covered itt. Yet more rinse repeat from Cuddly Steve's groupies...
07-22-2018 , 07:39 AM
Meanwhile in the real world the evidence shows that prosecutors, police, and judges (those notorious 'murder groupies') are taking the problem of convicting innocent people seriously.

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For the third year in a row the number of exonerations in the United States has hit a record high. A total of 166 wrongly convicted people whose convictions date as far back as 1964 were declared innocent in 2016, according to a report from the National Registry of Exonerations released Tuesday. On average, there are now over three exonerations per week—more than double the rate in 2011.

The number of exonerations has generally increased since 1989, the first year in the National Registry’s database. There are 2,000 individual exonerations listed in the registry as of March 6.

Experts say the increase in rate of exonerations can be explained, in part, by a growing trend of accountability in prosecutorial offices around the country.
Twenty-nine counties, including Chicago’s Cook County, Dallas County and Brooklyn’s Kings County have adopted second-look procedures and special review units that are tasked with looking into questionable convictions.

Historically, the convictions with the best chances of being overturned were those that got repeatedly reviewed on appeal or those chosen by legal institutions such as the Innocence Project and the Center on Wrongful Convictions.

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The recently established conviction review units... “reflect a growing recognition of the importance of the problem,” says Samuel Gross, a law professor at the University of Michigan who is co-founder and senior editor of the National Registry. “Many prosecutors, police officers and judges have learned that sending innocent people to prison is a constant risk—not a once-in-a-lifetime novelty.


http://time.com/wrongly-convicted/

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Despite the carping of unhinged 'guilters' about so-called 'innocence fraud' it's clear that responsible people are interested in correcting false and wrongful convictions due to bias and shoddy police work.
07-22-2018 , 09:30 AM
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12118

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Nobody itt has ever claimed the system is infallible. Yet again (seeing as certain posters seem incapable of grasping this) wrongful convictions can, do& very probably will continue to occur in an imperfect system
Nobody ever said every person investigating potential wrongful convictions are engaging in innocence fraud either. You have a remarkably consistent knack of misrepresenting what people say, either for the purposes of trolling or because you're genuinely that stupid & can't understand words. Neither explanation says much for you.
07-23-2018 , 05:22 AM
In other news, Zellcat backs down from her earlier assertions that she had "exonerating evidence" "airtight alibi" & that "science" would prove Cuddly Steve's innocence to:

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Our job is to prove that Steven Avery did not receive a fair trial. It is the State’s job, not ours, to prove who killed TH —-so far they have failed miserably. @lifeafterten @michellemalkin #MakingAMurderer
This is the beginning of her backing away from the whole case imo. And the state did prove it Zellz & didn't fail miserably hence the reason both murderers are in prison...
07-23-2018 , 06:19 AM
Although trolls have been saying for a couple of years now that Zellner is backing out of the case, here's a document filed just a couple of weeks ago.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Wx_...yhJuBF6v2/view

For all the bluster of the 'guilters' that it's all over, it seems that in the real world the case is being re-investigated:

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July 20, 2018 -

The case of Steven Avery, convicted for the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach in 2005, has likely more eyes focused upon it now than at any other time in the near thirteen years since it’s occurrence.

Along with Avery’s post-conviction attorney Kathleen Zellner’s ongoing investigation in her attempt to prove Avery was not subjected to a fair trial, and continued public interest, the sheriff’s department tasked with carrying out the original investigation into Halbach’s death, have begun investigating once more.


https://criminaljusticereformjournal...en-avery-case/

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One of the most disgusting aspects of this case is that in blindly pursuing their vendetta against Steven Avery, whoever may have committed crimes against Teresa Halbach has been ignored.

There is no justice in putting innocent people in jail, just like there was no justice for Penny Beerntsen when Steven Avery was falsely convicted the first time.
07-23-2018 , 06:52 AM
Avery & Dassey did it so there's no "whoever". They aren't innocent so it's all good.
07-31-2018 , 07:34 PM
Meanwhile, (in the real world) evidence piles up that the state not only ignored a likely suspect in the disappearance of Teresa Halbach, but actively covered up for that suspect so they could pursue their vendetta against Steven Avery.

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Kathleen Zellner, powerhouse attorney for Steven Avery of Making a Murderer fame, has recently filed a Motion to Supplement a Previously Filed Motion for Post Conviction Relief and there’s a chance it could benefit Brendan Dassey as well as his uncle, Steven Avery. In the motion, she continues to address the obstacles faced by his original trial counsel team, Jerome Buting and Dean Strang. Two items they struggled with were satisfying Denny and potential Brady violations. In her latest filing, she tackles both issues head on, showing in exhibits attached to her motion that the deck was knowingly stacked against her client.

One damaging piece she offers in support of her claim is an email from then-Special Prosecutor Ken Kratz to Dean Strang. In this email, dated January 25, 2007 he is requesting stipulations to be agreed upon regarding certain evidence and information to be presented at trial. On December 14, 2006 just days before the winter break, the state forwarded 7 DVD’s of forensic analysis of the Dassey computer to the defense. The final report was not forwarded. This is where things get interesting. The timing of this release was critical, because it allowed the defense no time to find and hire an expert to review these DVD’s. Due to the nature of the program used to create the DVD’s, they could not be viewed by the defense team either.

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In the January 2007 email from Kratz, he asks that the defense stipulates that there was nothing of evidentiary value found on the Dassey, Avery, or Halbach computers and specifically states that the stip would eliminate Officer Veile, the officer responsible for the forensic analysis, as a witness. Keep in mind that Veile’s final report had not been given to the defense. The defense attorney Jerome Buting refused to agree to this stipulation as requested by Kratz. Fast-forward 11 years later and Viele’s final report, now in the hands of Kathleen Zellner, actually shows a great deal of possible evidentiary material [Kratz obviously lied]. This potential Brady violation goes hand in hand with difficulties faced in previous filings regarding Denny. It shows quite clearly that there were, in fact, other suspects that should have been looked at, but weren’t.

Much like a previous filing from Kathleen Zellner regarding Denny and Ryan Hillegas, the internet has erupted with claims that she is wrongly accusing innocent people [something seen in this thread by unhinged 'guilter' cultists]. In this case the furor is over Brendan Dassey’s brother, Bobby Dassey. What she has done, rather than accuse someone innocent, is show through Denny that there was cause to look at others close to this case. Even though there was cause, there was no investigation. A thorough, evidence based investigation could have provided reasonable doubt. This was denied to Steven Avery at the time of his trial.

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According to Mr. Buting, those 7 DVD’s were unreadable ‘by any lawyer.” He states that they were all in 1’s and 0’s, or binary code. The report translating this code was already prepared, but was withheld from the defense. This exculpatory evidence is the basis of the Brady violation claim, and as stated above, could have helped Brendan as well as Steven Avery.

https://criminaljusticereformjournal...rendan-dassey/

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Depriving the defense, and ultimately the jurors, of evidence in this case shows their bad faith in going forward with the prosecution and their own awareness of the pitiful weakness of their case.
08-02-2018 , 03:34 AM
Zellner hasn't met Denny nor has she highlighted any actual Brady violations.

      
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