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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235
Just watched the show.
Cliffs on thread consensus for both verdicts, and alternate theory of how Teresa died if not for Steven and Brendan?
In two years, no credible alternate theory has been presented.
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Im on the fence about Steven Avery, but feel quite strongly Brendan wasn't involved.
That's the reaction Making a Murderer seeks to elicit from its viewers - "I think it's possible Steven Avery may have done it, but I know for sure that the investigation and trials were corrupt and that Brendan is innocent!"
That's how I felt after first watching, but was skeptical that we weren't being presented with an accurate portrayal. Spoiler Alert: We weren't.
Some of the many things to clear up for a new viewer:
Steven Avery was a lot worse of a person than the show portrayed him as. He physically abused his ex-wife, he physically abused Jodi, and he threatened to kill them both. His ex-wife's friend told police he raped her in 1983, and his teenage relative told police he raped her in 2004. There's more, but I'll stop there.
The hole in the vial is supposed to be there - it is not evidence of someone stealing blood. Furthermore, the package the vial had last been opened (and scotch taped shut) by Steven's previous lawyers. There is no evidence at all that it was broken into.
The EDTA test was scientifically valid and conclusively showed that the blood did not come from the vial.
The bullet with TH's DNA on it was conclusively linked to the gun in Steven's possession.
No defense expert ever even refuted Culhane's DNA analysis of the bullet.
The key was not found on the 6th or 7th search, it was found on the 2nd search after the 1st was cut short due to weather. There were 6 or 7 "entries", but all but 2 of those were for specific tasks such as retrieving the computer or vacuum.
Colborn and Lenk were not responsible in any way for Steven's previous wrongful conviction and had no fear of being sued. Colborn's only involvement was transferring a misplaced phone call to the detective agency when he was working in the county jail. Lenk's only involvement was that Colborn mentioned this incident to him in 2003, and Lenk decided to go with Colborn to inform the sheriff. This is what they were deposed about.
They were not barred from the investigation and were asked to help out where they did. The head of the investigation even testified that knowing Lenk's and Colborn's involvement in depositions would not change his decisions to include them in the investigation.
The missing voicemails? They get deleted automatically after 2 weeks as per Cingular's policy at the time. After discussing later with Kratz and the judge, Buting admitted he was wrong about that.
No human bones, let alone Teresa's bones, were found anywhere except for Steven's burnpit and the burn barrel. All of the tiniest pieces of remains were found in Steven's pit, and only a few larger bone fragments were found in the barrel, leading the forensic anthropologist to state she believed the body was burnt in the pit and some bones were later moved into the barrel.
The arson investigator and another forensic investigator found Teresa's bones intertwined in the steel tire wires that were used in the fire on Halloween night.
Steven Avery had a large bonfire that night, including several tires and a van seat, a fire coincidentally big enough to destroy a human body (as was testified).
For at least a couple weeks, Steven Avery denied having that fire (or any fire at any point after TH had arrived), even before knowing bones were found in the pit. It wasn't until weeks later and nearly a dozen witnesses came forward that Steven finally admitted to having the fire with Brendan.
Even ignoring his multiple confessions entirely, it's still clear to me that Brendan was involved. Brendan ultimately testified at his trial to helping Steven create a large bonfire and also cleaning an approximately 3x3ft area where there was a blood-like substance in his garage with bleach, paint thinner, and gasoline during their bonfire. Bleach stains were found on the jeans he said he was wearing that night.
Brendan also claimed he initially lied about having the fire that night, testifying he did so "because I'm just like my family, I don't like cops". In fact, Brendan was lying to investigators from his very first interview on November 6th (where he first claimed he never saw Teresa, then when told the bus driver saw her, he claimed he saw her too from his window driving away).
If Steven killed Teresa (and there is no question in my mind that he did), then the extent of Brendan's involvement and knowledge is up for debate, but it'd be foolish to think he wasn't involved at all.
Let's go back to your initial question:
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alternate theory of how Teresa died if not for Steven and Brendan?
Do you have an alternate theory that you find reasonable? Or is the only reasonable theory that Steven murdered Teresa?