Let's try this again, keeping it really simple so even you can understand.
Your opinion is based on a fraudulent narrative, ergo worthless.

Your arguments for the "merits of the underlying matter" are worthless, as they're based on a fraudulent narrative.

You haven't even offered any arguments to support your opinion based on the fraudulent narrative. Indeed when asked, you either bluster, run away, wail at others to gtfo or retort you're not interested (before proactively responding to the posts of those you say you're not interested in)

You're unwilling/unable to discuss the current issues such as whose argument has more merit re the appellate courts.

You've provided no evidence at all whatsoever for your earlier contention that either Avery's trial was "a sham" or that Dassey is factually innocent.

You've provided no evidence of your strong intimations of a police frame up for either Avery's wrongful conviction for rape or his rightful & just murder conviction.

You've provided not a scintilla of evidence for your odious and utterly contemptible contention that RH with the aid of a cop killed Teresa. (and stay classy btw)

So to reiterate: Your opinion is worthless on anything wrt the Teresa Halbach case.
To reiterate: Don't mistake my utter contempt for you, due to your victim bashing, irrelevant bar raising & inability/unwillingness to either research the facts behind the fraudulent narrative & basing your worthless opinion on said fraudulent narrative as being "riled up". You annoyed me with your quasi trolling, refusal to support your useless opinion & proactively confrontational attitude with me where you instigated personal attacks rather than defend your opinion before whinging about bullying when reactive comments to your proactive argumentum ad hominem & general obnoxious attitude ensued.

But I'm not riled at differing opinions at all & have nothing to be riled about as both murderers are rotting away in prison where Avery is gonna die.
Nor has Zellner raised anything with her laughable motions.

Nor have either Duffin or Rovner acted within their actual scope & have overstepped their mandate, which is another reason I'm optimistic they'll be reversed.

So it's all Kool & the Gang from my position thanks.

Now for the sake of a murdered woman for God's sake do some proper research as yet again (as I know you have a short attention span)
If you're basing anything you say on a documentary then everything you say can be ignored/dismissed as your opinion is worthless
Read the primary sources.

You may go now cheers.

Yep I'm also on the modern horror movies and Narcos threads do you even have a point to make here? This is a discussion forum. Meaning we discuss stuff that interests us.
Making a Murderer is Innocence Fraud. Such things are anathema to me. So yeah I'm gonna discuss it if only to highlight how unutterably weak your case is for innocence & how people like you specifically are why Innocence Fraud is an actual cottage industry these days. You think the WM3 are innocent too, I take it you base your opinion off Paradise Lost etc? Where they bash more victims? And omit a bunch of facts and evidence? And where innuendo is perfectly okay for Byers, Hobbs or whoever else the Railroaded Ones are blaming this week but separate courts of law can be rejected for them & where they're still innocent despite their guilty plea after copping Alford rather than submit their trumpeted "exonerating evidence"?
And people like you just lap it up, don't you as let's face it real research is stuffy & boring.

So yeah I'm gonna speak up against such things like your being fooled by a fraudulent narrative as to remain silent regarding such things when I'm aware of the facts is morally unacceptable to me & the murderers victims deserve better.

Yet again If you're basing anything you say on a documentary then everything you say can be ignored/dismissed as your opinion is worthless

And I'm going nowhere either mate so as I suggested umpteen times to you before, you should use the ig feature if you don't like my opinions, or my derisive dismissal of your worthless one.

...You haven't read the arguments have you?

You seem to think that the mere fact that he was provisionally granted relief under HC somehow validates the doc, when it could just as easily be argued that the doc's fraudulent narrative influenced Duffin or Rovner as individuals, hence their turning themselves into pretzels to make a case for "coercion" accommodate their belief that the confession was false, but they knew they couldn't decree this.

This is why I asked you whose arguments had more merit & whose were more on point re interpreting the actual law.

I suggest you read all three's argument cheers.
And no, court's aren't going Dassey's way as the en banc wouldn't have been granted if it was.

Which the court could have denied but the en banc review was given.

Verdict went their way, they have no need to pay people to astro turf or shill.

A) Nobody cares about Kratz other than you murderer & rapist advocate truthers. Just as nobody cared about Mignini other than Amanda Knox's murderer groupies.

B) Define "reprehensible slimeball". Would you consider that a fair description of someone who accuses a murder victim's ex boyfriend of being her killer with zero evidence to support it?

C) It's irrelevant if the prosecutor is a "reprehensible slimeball" or not all that's relevant is if he engaged in any misconduct at either trial, such as the one you claim is a "sham" while providing nothing to support your claim.
Neither you nor your fellow murderer/rapist advocates have provided any evidence of trial misconduct.

So again your opinion & post irrelevant.

You enjoyed it. I'm going by what you said.It covers the rape & murder of a young woman & then dishonours her by falsely peddling a fraudulent innocence narrative for her rapist & murderers. Which you find enjoyable. I guess that's why you enage in victim denigration?


It's just that it's so easy to refute, due to it being utterly worthless as it's based on a fraudulent documentary


Claiming a sham trial & factual innocence is advocacy. Not to mention accusing someone else of being a murderer. I've asked you to support your opinion & you haven't.

I'm not the one attacking murder victim's friends.

Reporting what you suspect may be a potential crime isn't a "threat". You really need to learn the meaning of words. And nobody cares what you find hilarious either, due to your opinion being worthless, as has been patiently & helpfully pointed out to you several times now by more than one person.

Sure it is as you're the one making the spurious claims. This is a discussion board. It's not your personal blog where you just randomly post your musings & thoughts. On a discussion board if you make a claim, then the onus is on you to support it, otherwise such claims can be dismissed by others taking part in the discussion.


That is not the purpose of the film as they engaged in fraud to peddle a fake premise. Which you'd know if you actually bothered researching.

Not at all, once you actually confirmed your opinion is based solely on the docu twins propaganda, I comfortably dismissed anything you had/have/will have to say on the issue.

I'm not interested in your waffle as I asked you lot a bunch of times to justify your opinion & got nothing.


I'm responding to claims made & asking for proof of them & nobody is interested in your bluster to deflect away from the glaring fact that you can't provide anything to support your worthless opinion

Oh noes. Strangers on the internet don't like me...

(And "despised"? Actually "despised"? You were saying something about emotional problems? )

Says the twit who bases his opinions solely on a fraudulent documentary lol. Again with the projection from you.
Anyway any more long winded irrelevant dribble you wish to get off of your chest?

You said you felt RH was the murderer. He's a victim he lost his friend & ex girlfriend to murder. Ergo you're a victim basher. You're hanging out with murderer groupies too long & are starting to pick up their bad habits such as bashing victim's and lacking the self awareness to see how your despicable behaviour appears to normal people who don't bash victims.

Now,do me a favour & stop responding to me until you research Ms Halbach's case properly thanks. As your opinion is worthless.

It seems corpus vile is unable to understand how he refutes himself with every post.

This issue of 'shilling' or 'astroturfing' is a bit of a side issue, but it is ridiculously wrong to suggest establishment types don't use this tactic - we know the US military uses troll farms to support their activities, and the pro-Clinton faction of the Democratic Party used paid trolls to 'correct the record' and so on.

So there is no reason to suggest that the Wisconsin establishment wouldn't make use of such a public relations endeavor to try and rescue their public image.

^^Just actually viewed this lunatic's post due to its pavlovian tendency to respond to as many of my posts as possible and once again more whinging about me personally combined with the fallacy that astro turfing exists ergo exists itt... Is it any wonder it's on ignore?

So we have our resident lawyer content to moot his opinion & leave it at that, as this thread is his blog apparently & the usual verbal diarrhea from Loony Loudz who accused me before of being a paid shill by the Manitowoc cops to go with saucy's irrelevant links.

Their insanely stupid narrative doesn't withstand the slightest modicum of objective scrutiny. *cue Loudfootz rushing to reply despite being on ignore with undoubtedly more fallacious irrelevant bs*

LOL at corpus who thinks enjoying a well made documentary is somehow 'victim bashing' because it's about a murder case.

Yet corpus freely admits he enjoys horror films where women are routinely terrorized, raped, murdered, mutilated, and sometimes even cannibalized.

Isn't it ironic?

This thread is basically unreadable now.

Is it stated anywhere else in the Dassey trial that Brenden threatened a classmate saying

"She could end up like Teresa"

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...I_redacted.pdf

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/ne...rial/78375934/

It appears to be presented by the state pre trial and reported on by the news during this time but I don't remember reading it in the trial.

Kind of crazy this hasn't been discussed here before if so.

If you want updates I am happy to give you an unbiased timeline of events. No joke. Someone else can correct my timeline if you don't believe me but I am willing to do that.

I understand jumping back in in the middle of a discussion isn't easy.

Looks like a nothingburger.

Unsubstantiated claims from the prosecution.

Was mentioned earlier a few pages back. ( I was going to post this earlier today but saw it had already been mentioned.)

I'm sure there's some perfectly innocent explanation for it for innocent Brendan threatening a female that she'd end up like the murdered woman for whose murder he was convicted of. So sure, that I don't even have to offer anything else to support it...

Hilarious this coming from the guy who has ten posts (so far) on this page alone!

Could it be any more obvious that corpus vile is an emotionally disturbed individual?

News article which mentions Dassey's threats
http://www.postcrescent.com/story/ne...rial/78375934/

Once I confirmed? You mean since the time this thread was started nearly two years ago where I repeatedly stated I base my opinion solely on the documentary?

You catch on quick!

(It's not as if it took any effort to find that out since I volunteered that information - going as far as to decline "invitations" to read transcripts and other source documents related to the underlying matter).

So, again, your essential problem is that you are for some reason offended that I agree with the documentary while rejecting your points because I don't find you to be a trustworthy or intelligent source.

Gosh I'm sorry let me rephrase it- once I personally became aware you were basing your worthless opinion solely from a worthless documentary, I can comfortably yaddayadda.



Oh I'm not offended by worthless opinions based on innocence fraud propaganda pieces & my position is based on the primary sources which you should check out rather than moot worthless opinions based on a netflix fraudulent tv show, so I reckon we're good there, Lionel Hutz.

Again you refuse to justify or even discuss the omissions & edited testimony & statements that the Docu Twins engaged in, which you base your opinion on, so again your opinion is dismissed.

As for intelligence, I'm not the one who's wailing about prosecution changing their narratives when such things are permitted or engaging in general bar raising or lying about the only evidence against Dassey being his confession.

Nor am I the one deeming mere innuendo sufficient for RH while declaring Cuddly Steve's trial to be a "sham", while providing absolutely nothing to support such a worthless opinion to go with your equally worthless opinion re innocent Brendan's factual innocence, so yet again you're projecting, you pompous unintelligent little man with worthless opinions & empty bluster.

Yes, it is permitted for police to lie and for the prosecution to grind out mutually contradictory stories in a desperate bid to put people in jail.

It is also permitted to call bull**** on these antics.

2 years ago after the documentary release. The prosecution pretended that the documentary was missing alot of evidences and gave a few exemples of stuff that was missing. That statement was disproved point by point right away and since then the prosecution is still left with a shady confession and some evidences tainted by incompetence/corruption. Yet the same people keep talking about how the documentary is biased and misleading without any concrete Exemple of how thoses 2 succubus that made it are doing it.
At worse I can see a few bad narrative choices in the documentary. But the documentary is still showing alot of clear exemples of police huge mistakes that are impossible to ignore.

Provide evidence that the evidence used to convict both was tainted by corruption or incompetence.

Funny how (some) people are pitching a fit over a documentary taking 10 thousand hours of material and editing it down to 10 hours with a few unimportant and insignificant details omitted, while ignoring the fact that the prosecution selectively edited many hours of coaching of Brendan Dassey and left out exculpatory statements he made.

Barb: It is normal, Brendan to sit down all the time. So did you see the body in the fire?
Brendan: No
Barb: Steven says that you seen the body in the fire
Brendan: No
Barb: You know if he killed her?
Brendan: Not that I know of
Barb: So then how do you know that there was a bullet shell outside of the garage
Brendan: Cause when Mike came up here he had pictures of it
Barb: They told everybody that you told them that there was bullet shells inside the garage
Brendan: No
Barb: That Steven shot her 10 times
Brendan: No. In the picture they had a bullet right by a crack or something cement
Barb: Uh. Don't believe those guys what they say.
Brendan: Yeah
Barb: You don't need to talk to them. It's just that on that Monday when they took you out of class at 10 o'clock. They said that they called me and asked me to talk to you. They never did.
Brendan: Yeah
Barb: They never called me on that Monday


Which is the more serious case? One on television with no real world consequences, or one in a court of law where someone's liberty is at stake?

- corrupted lab results that are breaking protocoles
- every meaningful evidences are found by the same people who were not supposed to be there.

I won't bother writing more to answer your questions since anyone that followed that thread know those 2 statements are true. Wether they are enough to get avery out is another issue. Yet those 2 points put a huge shade on the case and are impossible to write off.