Zellner's new subpoenaed Cell records prove there was no call to Zipperer the entire day & NO call at 2:27 with Autotrader. Avery did not use *67 either. (Many issues do not corroborate 2005 Cingular report from LE). Please study the visual with notes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...s_prove_there/

is the new cingular subpoena doc public? any reason Zellner would subpoena the document but not mention the massive discrepancy across hundreds of pages? coincidence that the OP breaking the story is bragging about having been a proponent of the idea that the 2:27 call never happened?

You can find pretty much all the documents posted on that subreddit

It appears we have two people searching a 40 acre parcel with 4000 cars.



What would be the odds that the vehicle they are looking for is going to be in the first 50 they look at? I'm thinking the odds are stacked against it.

That there is new evidence cited in the brief discredits the rest of your post.

Is that how it works?

there has not been new meaningful evidence introduced to this point.

if what eddy linked is full cingular phone records that prove previous records used at trial were false/doctored then that is actually something, but would require Zellner missed it entirely or is intentionally ignoring it in her motion. Occam's razor = Zellner looked into it and knows the old records are somehow compatible with the new ones subpoenaed

The brief mentions microscopic examination of the alleged 'murder bullet'.

Prosecution claimed the bullet found in Steven's garage made a hole in the victim's skull.

But upon examination, it turns out the bullet hit wood and not bone.

There was another couple of people who also searched the yard before Pam and her daughter that morning according to Earl Avery.

It's both sad and hilarious how convoluted and absurd the conspiracy theories have become as Avery supporters are unwilling to let go of their mistaken belief in his innocence when their previous theories are debunked.

Ive asked several times itt if there were more people looking for her vehicle around the compound, so far no one has really answered me. I can find the answer myself but if memory serves me correctly pam was just one of a few teams of people looking. If that is the case you are committing the sharp shooter fallacy as the odds would be nowhere near how you represent them.

10 people searching, 4 cars a minute per person, that means we should expect the vehicle to be found within 100 mins. That is not even including the fact that pam stated why she decided to go look in that specific spot because the cars looked kind of hidden.

I think lots of people were searching for TH and car in various places. God of Pam + 1 were only ones searching in Avery lot.

No, there was a second couple of people who also searched (by car, not on foot) the Avery lot that day according to Earl.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...-2006Aug09.pdf

I don't understand why everyone who's trying to gin up arguments about this case don't know this fact.

If you really want the odds then I think you need to start with to very relevant pieces of information.

1. Where was the car found on that map

2. Where did they start looking


IIRC (and I could be wrong) the car was on the outskirts somewhere. If they entered the property near that location it wouldn't be much of a stretch to me. On a property that large with 2 people I'm probably going around the perimeter first to get a lay of the land.

Now if the car was somewhere in the middle and they B-lined right for it, then yeah, sketchy af.

It appears according to earl others were searching for her in that area though.

I am not sure I even understand what is being implied by your camp here anyway. That pam knew who killed her niece and instead decided to help frame avery?

You should read this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAvery...he_rav4_again/

Here's a visual:

Yes, I'd say that calculating the odds is going to be difficult, which is why I suggested a very large spread of possibilities in my post about it.

But in reference to the bolded bit above - I agree that there can be situations where someone pulling this off in a very short time is sketchy.

If, as luckproof suggests, there are circumstances where someone finding a needle in this haystack so effortlessly is 'sketchy af', then it leaves us to ponder what that sketchiness amounts to.

That sketchiness could cover a broad range of alternatives: she was given a map to the yard by someone who knew where the RAV4 was which pointed her in the right direction; she was given such a map and told this was the right place to look; she already knew the RAV4 was there, and just went straight there; She knew the RAV4 was planted, but thought they were simply 'framing' a guilty person; she knew the RAV4 was there, and thought they were framing an innocent person; et cetera.

Or it could be dumb luck.

All those imply she would either know who was involved or was involved herself. Furthermore, according to her testimony she decided to look there even after being advised against it by RH.

This is great, what other way would we expect her to search? This is exactly how itd look if she didn't know where it was but stumbled upon it. From her starting position where else would we expect her to go next but around the outside of the perimeter?

Oh my bad, she said it was Gods handy work so we must discount everything else she says.

No, you're wrong. They do not all imply Pam was wittingly part of a plot and knew who was involved. I have no evidence Pam was advised against searching ASY.

Here's what PoG testified:

"I indicated that I would like to go to the Avery Salvage Yard where Teresa was last seen. And he said, well, if you want to, it's not part of, you know, the search, but if you wish to do that, go ahead."

She says she was given a map and a camera to record what she might find, and Hillegas gave Pam the Sheriff's phone number.

The marks on this photograph are misleading. The red X indicating Pam's location is when she's already halfway done with her walk from the office to the location of the RAV4.

The first thing Pam and Nikole did was enter the Salvage Yard office to ask permission for their two-person search party, which is one of the buildings in the lower left of that photo.

After a stabbing and gun ritual, he cleans up every single drop of blood in hours, yet he leaves a car for days on his own lot that also has his blood in it. He even goes on vacation knowing her car is there with his blood. Is he brilliant in his trailer with evidence, yet clueless outside?


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Why were they re-enacting The Blair Witch Project when the best use of resources was on the property she was last seen alive?

It is not mistaken belief in his innocence.

It is a flawed investigation and prosecution which has never changed.

Did he do it? Perhaps. But certainly not in the way that the was presented. The prosecution boxed themselves by using that BD narrative at the press conference.