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06-10-2017 , 12:19 AM
Could someone tell me if Brendan is currently in prison? Simple yes or no preferred.
06-10-2017 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by whosnext Making a Murderer
Could someone tell me if Brendan is currently in prison? Simple yes or no preferred.
yes
06-10-2017 , 12:50 AM
thanks
06-10-2017 , 01:26 PM
I thought he got his sentence overturned?
06-10-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubey Making a Murderer
I thought he got his sentence overturned?
Last August Judge Duffin ruled that the so-called confession in the trial of Brendan Dassey was coerced and that Brendan should be released, but the State appealed this decision and oral arguments were heard in February - the panel of judges has yet to rule on whether Duffin's decision will be upheld.
06-10-2017 , 05:07 PM
What is funny is if BD would have just admitted to his involvement and agreed to testify against SA he'd be out by now and we would probably have no documentary or this thread.
06-10-2017 , 09:46 PM
Yep if he had lied on the stand about SAs involvement he'd be free and maybe nobody would care about this wrongful conviction.
06-11-2017 , 05:45 AM
If Dassey did it and was given that option, he would have taken that option.
06-11-2017 , 05:52 AM
It's a tough decision to stand by the truth and go to prison rather than helping police frame your uncle.

I have a feeling Steven's maintaining his innocence on the false rape charge (even though it cost him his freedom) set a good example for him.

Brendan has more integrity than KK.
06-11-2017 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
This isn't entirely true, she needs to present new evidence that could have changed the decision if it were available at the time of their trial. The evidence also has to be pretty strong. None of this as far as I can tell is either new or strong.
LOL welcome back.

If we had pictures of Ken kratz ****ing the victim dead corpse you would still not believe something went wrong.

Not much new but still some strong stuff. Blood splatter expert destroying the credibility of the blood in the car is pretty strong to anyone open minded.
Testimony that they did illegal swap on avery and tried to hide it is pretty strong.

Testimony that Ken kratz for the only time in his career used the shredder at work during the investigation is pretty new and hilarious considering his absolute lack of ethics.
Saying nothing strong in 1200 pages of high caliber expertise is laughable.
06-11-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts Making a Murderer
If Dassey did it and was given that option, he would have taken that option.
Why do you think this? All his family was telling him not to take the deal. You seem to think the cops can coerce his decision making but not his family.
06-11-2017 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
LOL welcome back.

If we had pictures of Ken kratz ****ing the victim dead corpse you would still not believe something went wrong.

Not much new but still some strong stuff. Blood splatter expert destroying the credibility of the blood in the car is pretty strong to anyone open minded.
Testimony that they did illegal swap on avery and tried to hide it is pretty strong.

Testimony that Ken kratz for the only time in his career used the shredder at work during the investigation is pretty new and hilarious considering his absolute lack of ethics.
Saying nothing strong in 1200 pages of high caliber expertise is laughable.
No I am sorry, this really is nothing new. All that stuff you mentioned is not anything that will get her a new trial or a conviction overturned. In order for her to overturn his conviction she will need new evidence either showing someone else did it or he didn't do it. Something loosely implying KK may have destroyed evidence isn't going to get it done, neither is an expert suggesting the blood didn't drip when we have experts that did who testified in court.

Yes, if you have a video of KK killing someone I would be convinced I am wrong and that the police in this tiny town pulled off the greatest conspiracy every committed.
06-11-2017 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
It's a tough decision to stand by the truth and go to prison rather than helping police frame your uncle.

I have a feeling Steven's maintaining his innocence on the false rape charge (even though it cost him his freedom) set a good example for him.

Brendan has more integrity than KK.
Steven was already about to go to prison for attempted murder when the false rape charge happened. Not like him admitting to something he didn't do would have set him free.
06-11-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Why do you think this? All his family was telling him not to take the deal. You seem to think the cops can coerce his decision making but not his family.
I don't think anyone can coerce his decision making. Essentially what I'm saying is I don't think he has the wherewithal to consistently stick to a decision.
06-11-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts Making a Murderer
I don't think anyone can coerce his decision making. Essentially what I'm saying is I don't think he has the wherewithal to consistently stick to a decision.
Meaning what exactly? I fail to see how him not taking the deal makes it more likely he didn't do it.
06-11-2017 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Meaning what exactly? I fail to see how him not taking the deal makes it more likely he didn't do it.
I just think he's too stupid to think of what to do.
Also how does confessing + not taking the deal ever make sense in any logical thinking mind?
06-11-2017 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Yes, if you have a video of KK killing someone I would be convinced I am wrong and that the police in this tiny town pulled off the greatest conspiracy every committed.

You seem to be implying that the smallness of the town would make it harder to pull off something like this. I can't see how that could possibly be true.
I think whats happened here could only ever really happen in a small town like theirs where everyone knows everyone else's business. We've seen from this thread the locals (and even not so locals) were already strongly biased against the entire Avery clan.
And they had already seen first hand what the Law Enforcement officers involved were capable of doing if you didn't tow their line.
Not saying this def couldn't happen elsewhere but in a bigger town/city there would have been way more immediate oversight from people who weren't friends/family/previous co-conspirators..
06-11-2017 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Steven was already about to go to prison for attempted murder when the false rape charge happened. Not like him admitting to something he didn't do would have set him free.
Exactly the same situation with Brendan - the cops needed him to claim he was an eyewitness to their theory of the crime. basically an accomplice. So Brendan would go to jail in any case.

I'm really glad that he chose to tell the truth and testify under oath that he knows nothing about the murder except what cops told him or heard people talking about since this was probably the biggest news in the area since the dinosaurs died out.
06-11-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts Making a Murderer
I just think he's too stupid to think of what to do.
Also how does confessing + not taking the deal ever make sense in any logical thinking mind?
Idk if BD or any of the averys are exactly logical.. But if he confessed, then later thought he could get away with it; recanting would make about as much sense as confessing to something you didn't do after 25 mins of interrogation.
06-11-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by marke. Making a Murderer
You seem to be implying that the smallness of the town would make it harder to pull off something like this. I can't see how that could possibly be true.
I think whats happened here could only ever really happen in a small town like theirs where everyone knows everyone else's business. We've seen from this thread the locals (and even not so locals) were already strongly biased against the entire Avery clan.
And they had already seen first hand what the Law Enforcement officers involved were capable of doing if you didn't tow their line.
Not saying this def couldn't happen elsewhere but in a bigger town/city there would have been way more immediate oversight from people who weren't friends/family/previous co-conspirators..
No, I don't think this kind of thing could be pulled off anywhere. Think about all that would have to happen.

1) They(the policy) would have to get ahold of TH body, vehicle, cell phone, pda device and DNA. (assuming they didn't kill her themselves)

2) They (the police) would have to plant her bones in the avery burn pit and intertwine her bones with tires that were burned in the burn pit. Plant her cell phone and PDA device by avery's trailer. All the while hoping avery would have a bonfire shortly before or getting lucky that he did.

3) They (the police) wouuld have to obtain a sample of avery's blood (assuming you reject it came from the vial at this point) and fool a blood spatter expert into thinking the stains are the same as the ones found in avery's own vehicle.

4) Then they'd have to fire a bullet from avery's gun or grab a bullet that had been fired from avery's gun and put TH dna on it.

This is just 4 things, there are dozens of other unlikely things theyd have to do to pull this off. And to top it all off There was no motive by anyone involved to do any of this to frame avery. The people who were being sued by avery were retired. Lenk didn't even work for this police department when avery was wrongfully convicted and colhorn was just a patrol officer who passed a phone call off to his supervisor.
06-11-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Why do you think this? All his family was telling him not to take the deal. You seem to think the cops can coerce his decision making but not his family.
Yes, Brendan's family was telling him not to take a deal that required him to lie.

Which demonstrates that underneath it all they have a certain integrity a dirtball like Kenny Kratz could only dream of - if he dreams at all.
06-11-2017 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
Exactly the same situation with Brendan - the cops needed him to claim he was an eyewitness to their theory of the crime. basically an accomplice. So Brendan would go to jail in any case.

I'm really glad that he chose to tell the truth and testify under oath that he knows nothing about the murder except what cops told him or heard people talking about since this was probably the biggest news in the area since the dinosaurs died out.

Well you know "he could have read it from a book"


What book?

"kiss the girls"

lol.. Under oath and all.

Seriously, BD has 0 credibility. He didn't tell the truth under oath, and he didn't tell the truth in any of his interviews with police.

Iniitally he told police there wasn't a bonfire, then he testified under oath there was a bonfire. So he either lied about a bonfire for no reason, lied about a bonfire because something happened at the bonfire or lied under oath and made up the existence of a bonfire later.
06-11-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer
Yes, Brendan's family was telling him not to take a deal that required him to lie.

Which demonstrates that underneath it all they have a certain integrity a dirtball like Kenny Kratz could only dream of - if he dreams at all.
You clearly don't know anything about this family to make such a statement.

Repeated charges of pedophilia, incest, rape, spouse and child abuse, sexual assault and fraud/theft. Sounds like they are full of integrity.
06-11-2017 , 10:47 PM
What about the Halbachs. I'm pretty sure she was molested
06-11-2017 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
There was no motive by anyone involved to do any of this to frame avery. The people who were being sued by avery were retired. Lenk didn't even work for this police department when avery was wrongfully convicted and colhorn was just a patrol officer who passed a phone call off to his supervisor.

Just curious, was there a motive the first time they framed him?

      
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