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12-13-2016 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
Haven't checked in on this thread in a while, I see it's a full-blown conspirapalooza these days. Guess I'm not the only person who got bored arguing that the moon landing wasn't faked.

Anyway just checking in to say lolllllllll to "I believe he's innocent, from his demeanor". Please never serve on a jury.
Coming from a guy who says:

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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
I've stated several times that the Dassey statement from May 13 is what I believe happened.
One new person obviously late to the thread makes one new post and will probably never be back here yet that prompts the labelling of "full-blown conspirapalooza."

I guess that's how the cat incident becomes definitive proof of a "full blown" kidnapping, raping, mutilating murderer and his raping, mutilating, murdering 16 year old sidekick.
12-13-2016 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer

Anyway just checking in to say lolllllllll to "I believe he's innocent, from his demeanor". Please never serve on a jury.
From the Scott Peterson trial:

***Members of the jury stated in later press appearances that they felt that Peterson's demeanor specifically, his lack of emotion and the phone calls to Frey in the days following Laci's disappearance indicated he was guilty.***

I take it you want a retrial of Scott Peterson since the jury found him guilty of murder on his demeanor.
12-14-2016 , 07:02 AM
This is why everyone in the courtroom should be covered with tarps, so no one is influenced by anyone else's demeanor.
12-15-2016 , 07:28 PM
It looks like an amicus brief has been submitted in support of Brendan Dassey:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...f_redacted.pdf

Brandon Garrett seems to be well respected in the legal community.

https://content.law.virginia.edu/fac.../blg2n/1165630
12-30-2016 , 08:08 AM
Breaking Evidence Find: The Rav4 was shot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...rav4_was_shot/


Seems like mam in 4k is giving more usefull details
01-01-2017 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
Breaking Evidence Find: The Rav4 was shot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...rav4_was_shot/


Seems like mam in 4k is giving more usefull details
So it doesn't absolve SA or BD of murder, correct? Just muddies the prosecution's theory. Unless they can trace bullet/bullet hole to another person.
01-01-2017 , 05:05 AM
It's more than that if the police covered the bullet hole after getting the car on the property.
01-02-2017 , 12:04 AM
I fail to see how KK can successfully prosecute SA for being the only one responsible for the murder of TH and then weeks later successfully prosecute BD as a homicide accomplice.

It would seem logical that BD would be allowed to use KK's statement at the SA trial in his own defense. Or KK would have to explain in front of a jury why there is a disparity.

I think the laws may have changed in Wisconsin since SA/BD convictions and no longer is the same prosecutor allowed to charge two different people for the same crime.

Another one of those issues that "guilders" probably just chalk up that both are guilty of murder and who cares about the investigation or trial.
01-02-2017 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt Making a Murderer
I fail to see how KK can successfully prosecute SA for being the only one responsible for the murder of TH and then weeks later successfully prosecute BD as a homicide accomplice.
In this we have the advantage over the two juries - we can see the prosecution had doubts about their own 'theory' of the crime.

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It would seem logical that BD would be allowed to use KK's statement at the SA trial in his own defense. Or KK would have to explain in front of a jury why there is a disparity.
Yes, if Brendan's lawyers weren't intent on making sure Brendan was convicted, they might have explored that option.

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I think the laws may have changed in Wisconsin since SA/BD convictions and no longer is the same prosecutor allowed to charge two different people for the same crime.

Another one of those issues that "guilders" probably just chalk up that both are guilty of murder and who cares about the investigation or trial.
There do seem to be some that have convinced themselves that Steven and Branden are just bad people who need to be robbed of their freedom, and don't give a flying **** about whether they are actually guilty of any crime against Teresa Halbach.
01-02-2017 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz Making a Murderer



There do seem to be some that have convinced themselves that Steven and Branden are just bad people who need to be robbed of their freedom, and don't give a flying **** about whether they are actually guilty of any crime against Teresa Halbach.
Like BDs own investigator who said the devil resides at the salvage yard and the family branch needs to be cut down...
02-15-2017 , 07:31 AM
Oral arguments before the court regarding statements coerced from Brendan Dassey sometimes called a 'confession':

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...-Arguments.mp3
06-07-2017 , 06:54 PM
Bump. Zellner's brief has been filed. It's posted on her website:
http://www.kathleentzellner.com/steven-avery/
06-08-2017 , 01:51 AM
No big surprise in the brief. Mostly expert destroying kk evidences and her advancing a new suspect.
06-08-2017 , 03:57 AM
From what I read she's making out Teresa's ex could be a suspect/perp. If so, she's spitting in the faces of the Halback family. Needlessly re-opening their wounds and basically trying to convict him in the court of public opinion despite no evidence existing to even charge him. But of course multiple courts of law can be rejected for our two special little guys while innuendo & speculation is sufficient for everyone else. How Zellner sleeps at night is beyond me & I hope he sues the crap outa her. Utterly obscene.
06-08-2017 , 04:30 AM
From what i read from your post you didnt read even her intro.
anyone with common sense read that the police is the one that spat in halback family face by not investigating the crime properly.
As for the Ex-bf, zellner has evidences that he used false name to go on the property and multiple testimony that he was abusive and obsesive while no investigation has been done.

Thinking that an attorney shouldnt defend her client because it might offend a family has to be a joke. let s keep that guy in jail when he already spent half his life in jail for no reason because you know the family is still grieving the victim of a crime he didnt commit.

cliff note from the paper :
- dna on the key found after beeing planted by LE most likely contain DNA from avery toothbrush that has been stolen while he was out of town when they searched his property.
- blood in the RAV 4 has been planted inside, the one in the carpet didnt go deep enough to be blood dripping, the stain near ignition come from avery's sink that got mysteriously cleaned
- DNA on hoodlach is bogus as ****
- The bullet didnt go throughout anybody s skull and doesnt contain any dna from the victim
- LE misrepresented many testimonies from witness
- the voicemail left presented in court was concerning another appointment, and the real voicemail has been allegedly shredded by KK, most likely event , avery wasnt the last person to see her like KK pretended.
- expert say that she was struck near her car with some kind of hammer.
- colborn lied about when he was on the property

- lot of stuff discrediting his previous lawyers as expected and needed for the current filing

we have only 1/6 of the filing for now
06-08-2017 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
From what i read from your post you didnt read even her intro.
anyone with common sense read that the police is the one that spat in halback family face by not investigating the crime properly.
Except they did investigate the crime properly and found sufficient evidence to arrest, try and convict both murderers. Zellner is spitting in their faces and villifying someone for whom no evidence exists to even charge unlike Avery & Dassey who were convicted by separate courts based on the evidence.

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As for the Ex-bf, zellner has evidences that he used false name to go on the property and multiple testimony that he was abusive and obsesive while no investigation has been done.
Yes I get that you think innuendo & speculation is sufficient for RH while multiple courts of law can be rejected for The Railroaded Ones, without specifying how they erred mind. But as it stands, Zellner's theories & fairy tales aren't actual evidence nor is there any evidence that proves innocence nor is there any proof that anyone other than Avery & Dassey did it.

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Thinking that an attorney shouldnt defend her client because it might offend a family has to be a joke. let s keep that guy in jail when he already spent half his life in jail for no reason because you know the family is still grieving the victim of a crime he didnt commit.
So it's okay to smear people when there's no evidence to even charge them long as it "feels" right, huh? Avery hasn't spent half his life in jail for no reason, he's currently serving life without (and I DO mean without) parole for murdering Teresa Halbach & also for animal cruelty & running a woman off the road & attempting to kidnap her at gunpoint. He's a genuine exoneree for rape but nonetheless a very bad man, a danger to women and he'll hopefully die in prison and has his murderous psychopathic ass buried in the prison cemetery in a cheap-ass pine box.

cliff note from the paper :
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- dna on the key found after beeing planted by LE most likely contain DNA from avery toothbrush that has been stolen while he was out of town when they searched his property.
Prove it. LE had no need to plant the key. Remove the key from the equation & you could still convict Avery several times over and could still convict Dassey.

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- blood in the RAV 4 has been planted inside, the one in the carpet didnt go deep enough to be blood dripping, the stain near ignition come from avery's sink that got mysteriously cleaned
Prove it.
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- DNA on hoodlach is bogus as ****
Prove it.

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- The bullet didnt go throughout anybody s skull and doesnt contain any dna from the victim
Lol. Guess what I'm gonna say next? It starts with "P"...

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- LE misrepresented many testimonies from witness
Court didn't think so.

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- the voicemail left presented in court was concerning another appointment, and the real voicemail has been allegedly shredded by KK,
Lol. Allegedly huh? I'm sure he's preparing a new identity to flee to Mexico as we speak...

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most likely event , avery wasnt the last person to see her like KK pretended.
Trial court established otherwise.
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- expert say that she was struck near her car with some kind of hammer.
Expert hired by....?

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- colborn lied about when he was on the property
Has he been charged with perjury?

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- lot of stuff discrediting his previous lawyers as expected and needed for the current filing

we have only 1/6 of the filing for now
So Strang & Buting were incompetent huh? To go witht the jury misconduct & blood tampering? Steve sure is unlucky isn't he? Speaking of the red stuff, what's the deal on that whole blood planted in the RAV4 thingy? How's that progressing?

Another question if I may- you reckon RH is gonna be charged based on Zellner's shocking fairy tal... um revelations? Or not? Seeing as Stevie & Bren are so innocent and railroaded & soon to be exonerated and stuff?

Also, based on the evidence itself do you think more evidence exists against RH for murdering Ms Halbach than exists against Avery & Dassey?

Last edited by corpus vile; 06-08-2017 at 06:41 AM.
06-08-2017 , 07:26 AM
Steve is unlucky. If he wasn't super unlucky or the town wasn't filled with a bunch of crooked cops he wouldn't have been in jail for his first conviction. Once you realize the cops could be in on it and then get involved in the investigation, everything rightly should be questioned. Again this gets down to is steve Avery an idiot, most will say yes, then how did he masterfully plant and not plant evidence like a genius.
06-08-2017 , 08:06 AM
Corpus is an idiot is what i'm getting anyway.
How did they carry out their investigation properly, tell me please from start to finish.
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As for the Ex-bf, zellner has evidences that he used false name to go on the property and multiple testimony that he was abusive and obsessive while no investigation has been done.
There is no way they can say with reasonable doubt Steven and Brendan killed her, open your eyes a little.
And no he has not spent half his life before this in prison for killing a cat or kidnap so stop with the bs, he was locked up half his life for something he was cleared of.
06-08-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by capone0 Making a Murderer
Steve is unlucky. If he wasn't super unlucky or the town wasn't filled with a bunch of crooked cops he wouldn't have been in jail for his first conviction. Once you realize the cops could be in on it and then get involved in the investigation, everything rightly should be questioned. Again this gets down to is steve Avery an idiot, most will say yes, then how did he masterfully plant and not plant evidence like a genius.
Read the beginning of the brief where Zellner present kk theory alternating avery is an idiot with avery is a genius facts. I was in tears from laughing.
06-08-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Thesh0rtstack Making a Murderer
Corpus is an idiot is what i'm getting anyway.
How did they carry out their investigation properly, tell me please from start to finish.

There is no way they can say with reasonable doubt Steven and Brendan killed her, open your eyes a little.
And no he has not spent half his life before this in prison for killing a cat or kidnap so stop with the bs, he was locked up half his life for something he was cleared of.
I guess ignoring corpus would be a good idea for everyone itt
06-08-2017 , 11:54 AM
Yeah dudes a moron. He clearly doesn't understand how a court of law works. Hint: Zellner doesn't need evidence strong enough to convict RH because she's not a prosecutor. She only needs enough evidence to cast doubt that SA A and BD did it.
06-09-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Thesh0rtstack Making a Murderer
Corpus is an idiot is what i'm getting anyway.
Apparently identifying Teresa's murderer is some kind of insult to her family. Is corpus insinuating the family wanted her dead?
06-09-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile Making a Murderer

Prove it.
Yes, that's what a new, fair trial would be about.

If you're demanding it be proved, you are demanding a new trial.

Glad you joined the Steven Avery team!
06-09-2017 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
Read the beginning of the brief where Zellner present KK theory alternating Avery is an idiot with Avery is a genius facts. I was in tears from laughing.
Yes, the prosecution case presented by drug addled sex deviant Kenny 'The Prize' Kratz is a joke.

Only inbred morons could have bought such a pile of bull****.

But then, they probably think Jesus rode a dinosaur into Jerusalem on his way to wrestle with Satan in a grudge match...
06-09-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blackize5 Making a Murderer
Yeah dudes a moron. He clearly doesn't understand how a court of law works. Hint: Zellner doesn't need evidence strong enough to convict RH because she's not a prosecutor. She only needs enough evidence to cast doubt that SA A and BD did it.
This isn't entirely true, she needs to present new evidence that could have changed the decision if it were available at the time of their trial. The evidence also has to be pretty strong. None of this as far as I can tell is either new or strong.

      
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