So, in your opinion, police have recovered the knife allegedly used to stab and slash Teresa in the bedroom where no evidence was found to confirm Teresa was ever in?

Any photos of this knife?

Or was she killed in the garage?

Or was she killed in her own truck - don't forget Brendan also guessed she had been shot in the RAV4.

The statements made by Brendan under coercion don't add up.

I am referring to SA's rifle.

Oh I'm not a troll but feel free to think what you like.
Proudfootz has not provided factual information and it's dishonest to falsely assert that he has.
It is not factual to assert that the confession was false when it has been provisionally ruled as involuntary.
It is not factual to to provide pseudoscientific sources such as Richard Ofshe to support one's factually inaccurate assertion that the confession was false.
It is not factual to lie that there was no evidence against a convicted defendant who had his conviction upheld on appeal.
So no, Proudfootz has not been factually accurate and neither have you as again, I never began this exchange with proudfootz he did and did so by insulting me straight away before linking his pseudoscientific thoroughly debunked source, something both you and oski have overlooked.

I never said he wasn't welcome I said I was wise to him and his dishonesty and misrepresentation of the facts the second he showed up, which I am as we know each other years.

Anyway again enjoy your innocence narrative thread where dissent and requests for evidence are met with insults and calls for banning because as of now neither rapist and murderer are going anywhere and I very much doubt they will be any time soon, regardless of whether Duffin passes muster. That's good enough for me for now.
There are several posters here who are engaging in a dangerously myopic view wrt the Teresa Halbach case. imv.

Anyway again I wouldn't want that constant call for a ban to be acted upon via probably several pm's complaining to mods as I quite like to comment on the Modern Horror Movies thread hosted by our good friends in The Lounge. So much better and fun than the very real horror that Teresa was exposed to. She never reached Dassey's current age.

If I am banned anyway just for the sake of it like, then I'll go to another forum as again the truth will not be silenced. Of that you can rest assured.
Keep holding that torch for Dassey and Avery. I know who I'm holding one for.
Peace out and neither Avery or Dassey are fooling me or anyone else reasonable who has studied the totality of Teresa's case.
Flame on, 'bye.

I see, so after guessing strangling, stabbing, and slashing Brendan finally guessed 'shot' after police informed him she was shot in the head.

Yes, pretty clear he was there, all right.

I may have been more limber when I was younger, but never was I able to stoop that low.

I see no reason to say she wasn't strangled, or even stabbed for that matter. But even if she wasn't. the point still remains..

BD said she was shot in the garage, and they used bleach and paint thinner to clean up the mess. Then a search was done in the garage and they find a bullet with her dna on it that is ballistically matched to avery's rifle (the same rifle BD said was used), and dassey correctly guessed which areas were cleaned with bleach and paint thinner.

This is exactly what you look for to determine if a confession is reliable, if the confession leads police to new evidence.

I have also mentioned itt that police fed him false truths to see if he was just agreeing with them. Like telling him she had a tattoo on her stomach (she doesn't) and he said he doesn't remember a tattoo on her stomach. If he was just going along with everything they were feeding to him, how come all the things we can prove wrong he didn't admit to and all the things we can prove right he did? The only thing that remains are some things he said there is a lack of evidence for, that doesn't mean those things didn't happen. It just means we can't say with certainty.

Not to mention the other stuff I brought up. Dassey knowing where her items were burned, dassey claiming there was no bonfire until evidence of a bonfire was recovered then changing his story to "I just helped SA with the bonfire" which is what he testified to in court.

Since Griesbach's opinion has been mentioned, it might be of interest to readers that there are a few problems with his book capitalizing on the Steven Avery case:

"Michael Griesbach's new 304 page book came out this week. For the benefit of all, I present to you a collection of significant falsehoods and omissions made from start-to-end. I did the same previously for the Reelz murder porn 'documentary' that Griesbach appeared in, as well as claims made in his original book especially in relation to the Halbach case."

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...of_griesbachs/

Enjoy!

The point being what?

No one except her killer(s) know how she was killed and where this took place.

So Brendan guessing multiple methods of execution at multiple sites is pretty meaningless.

Especially when we take in the information that there is no forensic evidence that Teresa was ever at any of the locations guessed at, let alone bloodily murdered at any of them.

Nothing has been confirmed since even at this late date the site and method of murder has not been proven.

Kind of hard to prove how a murder took place when the victims body is burned. There are however a few things that are confirmed..

1) She and avery both bled in her car

2) someone tried to hide her car close to avery's property

3) avery was the last person to see her after she last used her cell phone

4) she was shot with avery's rifle in avery's garage

5) Someone tried to burn her personal items just outside avery's front door

None of these things in a vaccuum point to dassey being involved, what does is that he knew all of them, especially 4 and 5 since the public didn't know those things at the time and police didn't even know 4.

I really want an answer to this question though because I think it is important...

Why did Dassey initially deny there was a bonfire, then when the evidence became clear there was, claim there was a bonfire and testifed to there being one in court?

Here this poster puts it far better than I could, enjoy some facts,
Canuk64 from TTM-Reddit......

I have arranged the March 1st statement into a storyline format citing where Brendan got the information from. Unless otherwise indicated, the quotes are from March 1st by Fassbender and Wiegert. Almost the entire "confession" came from investigators.
At the Avery trial, Kratz told the jury during closing arguments that Avery shot TH inside the garage. He then backed the RAV4 into the garage and placed TH’s body in the cargo area. Next he went outside and placed a white garbage bag containing the electronics into a lit burn barrel between 3:45 and 3:50pm. Kratz says that this is what Blaine witnessed when he saw Steve placing the white garbage bag in the lit burn barrel.
Moving to the Dassey trial, Blaine testified that he saw Steve walking towards the burn barrel with a plastic bag in hand and putting something into the burning burn barrel. However, Brendan did not see Steve or anything burning in the burn barrel. But Brendan said he saw the RAV4 inside Steve’s garage [1] which Blaine did not see.
Both Blaine and Brendan went into their house and Blaine used the phone for about 30 minutes. When he was done, Brendan used the phone to call Travis with whom he spoke to for about 15 minutes.
After the call with Travis, Brendan got on his bicycle to get the mail [2]. He found mail belonging to Steve in his mailbox. Brendan then returned down the lane towards his home. When he reached the white trailer just past the half-way point he could hear the screaming of a girl coming from Steve’s trailer [3]. At this point he was over a hundred yards from Steve’s residence. Brendan stated that Bryan was in their garage working on his car, but Bryan could not hear the screaming because he was listening to a radio.
As Brendan got closer he noticed that there was garbage burning in Steve’s burn barrel [4]. Ignoring the screams coming from Steve’s trailer he decides for no apparent reason to rummage through the burning garbage barrel. He lifts the top garbage bag to look inside and sees a cell phone, a camera and a purse [5].
Brendan than knocked three times on Steve’s door and waited and waited and waited [6]. While he was waiting he also noticed that there was a fire burning behind Steve’s garage which was not there when they came home from school [7]. It took Steve 5 minutes to answer the door. Finally Steve answered looking all sweaty and invited Brendan inside. As Brendan entered he looked down the hall and saw a naked girl restrained to Steve’s bed [8]. Steve offered Brendan a soda which Brendan accepted and drank.
Steven then told Brendan that “Teresa Halback was back there, that she was on the bed naked with she was chained up ta the bed”. Steve told him that he had raped the girl [9] and asked him if he wanted some [10]. Brendan told him he was not of age.
Steve coaxed Brendan until Brendan decided he wanted some [11]. They both entered the bedroom where Teresa was chained up [11a]. Brendan undressed and then placed his penis into her vagina and held it there for five minutes. [12] Teresa asks him not to do it [13]. After 5 minutes he took it out, he said he did not ejaculate. Brendan then gets dressed and both him and Steve go the living room and watch television for about 5 to 15 minutes. Steven tells Brendan he did good and that he is now going to burn her.
Brendan then tells Steve that he needs to leave because he has to call Travis. But instead Steve has Brendan return with him to the bedroom [14] and stabs Teresa with a knife about three inches into her stomach, sort of in the ribs [14a]. Brendan than cuts her throat from ear to ear about a half inch deep [15]. Steve then jumped on top of TH [15a] and choked her for three minutes [15b], cuts off three inches of her hair [15c] and punches her in the head [15d]. After this he washed his hands in the sink drying his hands with the same paper towel he will use to clean the crime scene. Steve returns to the bedroom and grabs a rope from the side of the bed and jumps on her again and starts tying her up with Brendan’s help [16]. While he is doing this he tells Teresa that he is going to kill her [17].
They then carry her nude to the garage. She does not say anything. Steve then places her in the back of the RAV4 because he was going to throw her in the pond but then remembers he was going to burn her in the fire he already had going behind the garage, so he immediately removes her from the vehicle and places her on the garage floor [18]. He goes to the trailer to get his rifle. When he returns he shoots her three times, once to the stomach, once to the chest and once to the head. Later he would say Steve shot her three times in the left side of the head [19] and later 10 times [20].
It was “still light out” or getting a “bit dark”, when they carried her body on a mechanic’s creeper to the fire. Official sunset time that day was 4:43pm. They cover her with the tires and branches and then go back into the house for a little bit [21].
Somewhere during this time Jodi calls Steve on his cell phone and they talk for a while. Ten minutes later Jodi calls again [22].
They then drive the RAV4 down to the pit directly past Chucky’s place. Once there, Brendan helps Steve place the rambler hood ON TOP of the RAV4 [23]. Steve then goes under the hood of the RAV4 [24]. Brendan believes Steve may have cut his finger when he went under the hood [25]. He would get a band aid later when he gets the bleach. Steve also removes the licence plates [26]. Brendan states that Steve left the knife and the 22 rifle inside the RAV4 [27].
They walk back to Steve’s trailer by going the long way, past Chucky’s place. Steve hides the RAV4 key in his trailer [28]. Steve hides the license plates in his trailer [29]. They than watched television until Barb called Steve at 9:30pm. At 9:50pm, they burned the bed sheets. Also at 9:50pm, the wipe up the blood in the garage using Teresa’s clothes, gas, paint thinner and bleach [30]. And last they burned Teresa’s button down shirt and jeans [31]. Brendan said he was home by 9:30pm.
During closing arguments Fallon moved the time of the sexual assault, murder and mutilation from taking place before 5:00pm as stated in the March 1st confession to sometime after 5:30pm telling jurors that Steve and Brendan placing the body on the fire under the cover of darkness thereby bypassing Brendan’s alibi witnesses. He was basing his closing arguments on the May 13 confession which the jury did not hear. Unfortunately, thus is the version most people believe, and not the evidence he presented at court.
Below are all first mentions and leading questions;
[1] ("Was her car still in there when you went in there? Tell us the truth [Feb 27 high school].");
(“I have a problem with the car sittin’ out front “); (“That cars sittin’ out front other people er at would have seen that car”);
[2] SA 54 (“I think you went over to [Avery’s] house and then he asked [you] to get his mail.”);
[3] (“Were they Screaming? ”); (what could you hear [while riding his bike]);
[4] ("was there a fire burning out in front of the house in the bum barrel? [Feb 27 high school]"); (“Was it burning? [burn barrel]);
[5] ("I imagine a woman would have a purse, she probably had her cell phone, a camera to take pictures. [Feb 27 high school] "); (“If you know what happened to a cell phone or a camera or her purse, you need to tell us”); (details had been widely publicized for months before the interrogation.)
[6] SA 54 (“You went inside, didn’t you?”);
[7] SA 36 (“We know the fire was going [when you arrived]”);
[8] (“OK and where was she?”);
[9] (“Did he try to have sex with her” [Feb 27 high school]);
("Did he say anything about sexual assault with, with her or having sex with her [Feb 27, police station]"); (“Do you know what sexual assault means?);
[10] ("We know. He asks you doesn’t he? [have sex with her]"]);
[11] SA 60 (“Does he ask you to rape [Halbach]?”); SA 61 (“He asked if you want some, right?...If you want some pussy?”);
[11a] [Details of handcuffs and leg irons were widely publicized for months before the interrogation]
[12] (“And you had intercourse with her? ”); ("What does intercourse mean to you?");
[13] SA 65 (“Did she ask you not to do this to her?”);
[14] SA 67 (“You were there when she died and we know that”); SA 61 (“You went back in that room…we know you were back there.”);
[14a] ("Was it the chest or the stomach?");
[15] SA 74 (“He made you do somethin’ to her, didn’t he? So he would feel better about not bein’ the only person, right?”);
[15a] ("Was he on top of her?")
[15b] ("We know he did something else to her, what else did he do to her?")
[15c] ("Tell us,and what else did you do? Come on. Something with the head. Brendan?")
[15d] ("What else was done to her head?")
[16] SA 73 (“What else did you do? Come on. Something with the head.”); ("You helped to tie her up though, didn’t you?")
[17] ("Is he telling her that he’s gonna kill her,")
[18] ("Did he tell you where he put her in the truck?, [Feb 27 high school] "); SA 84 (“We know that some things happened in that garage, and in that car, we know that”); (" Again, we have, w-we know that some things happened in that garage") (" you took her in the garage?") (No, I mean where, in the garage [was she shot]");
[19] SA 76 (“Who shot her in the head?”). [Brendan says left side, but one shot was directly into the middle lower back of the skull (occipital bone), the second behind and above the ear (parietal bone)]
[20] The ten shell casings were found in the garage had been widely publicized for months before the interrogation.
[21] (“Brendan, we know that, that Halloween and stuff you were with him and, and helped him tend to a fire [Feb 27 high school]"); (did you put that seat on the fire or him? [Feb 27]); ("Did you help put that body in the fire?[Feb 27 high school]"); [Details of body parts found in the fire were widely publicized for months before the interrogation] .
[22] (“Were you there when his girlfriend called, Jodi?”)
[23] Details had been widely publicized for months before the interrogation. Brendan incorrectly states that he and Steve placed to hood ON TOP of the RAV4.
[24] SA 92 (“Did he raise the hood at all or anything like that? To do something to the car?”);
[25] ("We heard that he cut himself during the…. [Feb 27 high school]"); ("Anytime during this, did he get injured?)"); ("Did Steve have any blood on him at that time?"); [Details of Steve's cut had been widely publicized for months before the interrogation] ;
[26] ("Did he tell you if he did anything with the license plates? [Feb 27 high school]");
SA 90-91 (“[T]he license plates were taken off the car, who did that?”); [Details had been widely publicized for months before the interrogation] ;
[27] No knife or rifle were found in the RAV4. There is a center console between the seats, a knife could not be placed there.
[28] ("What about the key?[Feb 27 high school]"); (“Whose got the key for the vehicle at that time?”); (“OK, where do you go when you get back up by his house, where do you go?”); (“And what does he do with the key?”; [Details had been widely publicized for months before the interrogation]
[29] License plates were not found in the Steven’s trailer.
[30] (“When do you clean the place up? “); (“, I already know you were in the garage and stuff apparently cleaning up and stuff so tell us about that.”); (“You told me that you thought thinking back now there was blood. It was red in color” [Fassbender asked Brendan Feb. 27 if it could look like blood); (“when you get the bleach on you, let’s talk about that, [Barb said on Feb 27 Brendan came home with bleach stains] “)
[31] ("They were girl clothes weren't they. [Feb 27 high school]");
("Was it a button up shirt? [Feb 27 high school]");
("Were they blue jean pants? [Feb 27 high school]");
("When did he put the clothes on the fire? [Feb 27 high school]"); (“Was it a button down shirt? Remember what kind of pants were they blue jean pants or. .”);
Blaine testified that he was home with Brendan from the time they got home until he left at 5:20pm. Bryan stated that Brendan was home until he left between 6:30 and 7:00pm. Barb was home during the time the confession states they were burning a body. Rob F, Bobby and Scott all testified at the Avery trial that there was no fire behind the garage at the time the confession has them burning a body. Blaine had consistently maintained there was no fire in the burn barrel until he was yelled at by investigators on November 15, 2005.

In other words, which is more likely from a truther perspective?

1) dassey lied to all the things in later interviews, admitted to murdering her, raping her etc.. (all a lie because he thought he would get in less trouble if he admitted to what he thought police would want to hear) but actually did have some involvement, IE: Witnessed the murder, and assisted with the bonfire..

or

2) Dassey just kept lying about his involvement, becomming more involved as time went on, then for whatever reason decided to lie about being totally involved and later recanting everything but the bonfire, which he initially claimed never happened.

Smacc, I am not reading that wall of text sorry. Can you just answer my questions? or tell me what you think I have wrong..

You illogical ****ing ******s/

Sorry, you idiots. Reason to logic.

Did you write this post on reddit, proudfootz? If you did I thank you again, not only for the time & effort put into this case but for giving me hours of informative, concise, factual & well written posts... Thanks mate.
1 of the few posters on reddit who I actually look out for & am always waiting for the next post.

You already know what/why I think your wrong.......

I didn't ask why you think I am wrong. I am asking what you think I have wrong. Obviously you don't think avery or dassey killed TH. I get that. But the stuff I laid out above was what I was asking about.

We have probably already discussed it all anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

Cool......

B.Schimel..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_GC8HUcgps

Not me - I am on reddit under proudfootz (I try to keep my online identity consistent across forums).

I am nowhere near as informed as the author of that post. But there is a lot of good material on reddit's 'Tick Tock Manitowoc' subreddit to be had.

Yes, which goes to the heart of the absurd claim that Brendan 'knew' something about the method of killing and the site of the killing.

Those are among the things which are not 'confirmed'.

I don't know that any of these are things that were unknown to police or the public before Brendan allegedly 'confessed'.

Regarding the last two points - it is impossible to determine which of 1000's of .22 weapons might have caused the damage supposedly caused by a .22 projectile, or where this might have occurred.

Someone did put remains of some of Teresa's personal items in a burn barrel near Steven's home. Again, this is something that hasn't been resolved.

Truth to tell I'm not 100% sure there was a bonfire that particular night.

But if there was, there are apparently a lot of witnesses who didn't mention one.

I'm sure there could be any number of explanations for why someone might not remember a common enough practice where nothing spectacularly out of the ordinary occurred.

Here is a timeline of testimony about this alleged bonfire (skip if you didn't want this much detail):

So it appears there are a lot of witnesses 'denying' there was a bonfire on Monday night - is this 'evidence' they were all in on it?

You're lying again. He has provided factual information.

Stop lying. Why do you keep lying? It is factual to assert that the confession was false due to the fact that it was involuntary.

Why does the originator of the "exchange" matter? Why do you feel the need to insert the word "lie" with such high frequency. It's really quite strange and along with your constant complaints of being forced to respond and torturously compelled to return to the forum, I have to question your mental capacity and stability. These are responses to YOUR OWN requests for information.

Still clinging that that rape theory huh? You said that they found bleach on his jeans, but no semen or TH DNA? Lemme guess, absence of evidence..blah blah blah" incorrectly applied again.

LOL "dangerously myopic". How is it "dangerous"? This almost sounds threatening. This from a toad who refuses to read any of the past posts containing all the information he is requesting and instead insisting that references to those posts and the information contained therein are "lies" and that the posters are "dishonest". I mean seriously, it's one thing to have an opinion on the matter, but quite another to insist that your are being lied to when someone disagrees AND provides reasoning for their disagreement.

I hope you don't get banned either because you've awakened the thread to a marked degree. Your ridiculous posts remind me of the absolute insanity and "dangerously myopic" applications of law, justice, and investigative work that has to occur to result in 2 innocent people being imprisoned for the rest of their lives. Indeed it's great that you constantly reference Teresa Halbach as "Ms. Halbach" or "Theresa". Even though you often misspell her name, its clear that you won't use the colloquial "TH" showing that you have or feel a connection to her that is relatively greater than anyone else here (except possibly Fraleyight). It further strengthens my desire for real justice for her as opposed to this disaster of an investigation and prosecution.

What do you think the results of Mrz. Zellner's tests will reveal?

So it's Avery and Dassey doing the fooling? Or is it KZ and the innocence project and a Federal Magistrate? Or is it the thousands of totally random people with interest in the case who have come together to provide a compelling reason for review of how justice was applied to the case after obtaining hundreds of thousands of documents, photos videa and court records? Or is it Dassey and Avery, the criminal masterminds at work fooling everyone?

To further clarify this, we can deduce from witness testimony that there are 2 distinct types of fires. There is a trash fire called "open burning", a common occurrence at ASY. And then this is a "bonfire" or "bombfire" - a social event as evidenced by those who were invited on the night of but subsequently cancelling. Luckily they cancelled otherwise they would have seen a body body burning and we'd have no thread.

Her blood was found in the back of the car. His blood was found in a smeared pattern on the dashboard. Where either of them bled is has not been determined. [ ] confirmed.

[x] confirmed. someone

[ ] confirmed.

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[ ] confirmed.

Police didn't know anything except that the original story line they were able to piece together from the multiple contradictory guesses BD made and suggestions he agreed with was NEVER going to be proved in court due to there being no evidence of BD or TH ever having been in SA's trailer...EVER.

How are you so blindly accepting these statements as proof that he did this? Why can't you use common sense to arrive a logical conclusion? She was shot with Avery's rifle in Avery's garage? WTF? Where is the evidence of this? There is none at all. The fragment of the bullet? FUC*KING JOKE. As for being shot, remember this line? "I'm just gonna come right out and ask ya...who shot her in the head?" So of course they knew she was shot. Avery shot her with his own rifle? Who the fu*k else's rifle is he going to be using? Not Scott Tadych's because he admitted to having it in his possession that day, moments before TH was alleged to have been killed.

Burn barrell items? Show me where he said this and I'll be able to cite at least 3 sources that prove A) someone else already suggested it to him, B) A news report airing weeks before this statement was made, C) That he did not say it at all.

What was the date of his initial denial? When you say "evidence became clear" you need to be more specific. Because the evidence is very, very unclear as shown in the documentary called Making a Murder. Maybe Scott Tadych can help clear some things up because he had some issues remember the details of the "bonfire" as well. Maybe there's a difference in burning trash and having a social bonfire, where it could be that Avery had a fire to burn trash but did have the social bonfire as everyone who was invited cancelled. Ergo Steven did not have a "bonfire" as BD initially understood the question. It was later made clear to him that any fire, no matter how high the flames or reason ( @ Tadych) is in fact a "bonfire" - so yes BD agreed in court.

Dude you wanna get banned?! They're not illogical at all they're reasonable and knowledgeable even when they lie there was no evidence and link pseudoscientific sources! If you're gonna disrupt the innocence narrative and not entertain frame up jobs with no evidence to show for them then you oughta be banned! BANNED I SAAAAY!!!!