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10-01-2016 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
I thought it was a fundamental part of being a human. And was mostly common in Americans "you only fail if ya stop trying". No?
I don't know. There needs to be a balance between closure and justice. For all.

What would happen if someone else said they killed TH? What about if BD said it was all him and SA wasn't even around? Him and him alone.
10-01-2016 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
"it was her sister's birthday"


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His statement implies multiple sisters which I just checked she has two sisters. So somehow he managed to merge two birth dates into a password.
10-01-2016 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt Making a Murderer
I am not necessarily a big fan of retesting. Every person in jail will demand to have every piece of evidence tested every year as they claim technology has improved.

The appeals court will be flooded with motions.

Even though SA is paying for the tests, there are huge costs for the state. They have to make sure all evidence was housed properly, inventoried, review the order, and get back the evidence in the same manner to be tested again in the future.

Buyer be ware.
The state should be doing that regardless. Although given the retaped vial it is pretty clear this is as well managed as anything else there.

In any case where there is no statute of limitations, evidence should be properly preserved for an extremely long time.
10-01-2016 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
OK so The post I quoted, this part I left out, you were actually serious OK, I'm gonna need more details from you before I make an opinion on it.

I think you should explain your thought process here. The more detail the better, thx.
Avery forgot he had a bonfire. Hillegas forgot Halbach's sister's birthday. I don't think it needs to be explained that both are pieces of evidence for the guilt of the respective parties. Therefore, a logical conclusion to account for both pieces of evidence is that they are both guilty and were in it together.
10-01-2016 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lkasigh Making a Murderer
Avery forgot he had a bonfire. Therefore, a logical conclusion to account for both pieces of evidence is that they are both guilty and were in it together.
Please show me proof of S.A. having a fire on 31st Oct 2005.

As for the link between S.A. & R.H. pls explain in more detail your thinking. How is this logical?
10-01-2016 , 07:31 PM
September 14, 2016

The Wisconsin Innocence Project Statement: Role of the Advisory Board

Recently, questions have arisen regarding the role of Mike Griesbach, the Manitowoc County ADA, on the Wisconsin Innocence Project’s Advisory Board as he has given public statements, written op-eds and published a book about our former client, Steven Avery.

While Mr. Griesbach is an Advisory Board member, we want to make clear that Mr. Griesbach does not speak for, or claim to speak for, the Wisconsin Innocence Project or its Advisory Board. We do not join Mr. Griesbach in his argument that Steven Avery is guilty as convicted of the 2005 homicide of Theresa Halbach. We also agree that several of Mr. Griesbach’s specific statements in his recent writings are problematic. For example, Mr. Griesbach unfortunately downplays the frequency and importance of false confessions. No one knows how often false confessions are made, but research has shown that they are one of the six most common contributing factors to wrongful convictions, accounting for nearly 25% of convictions later overturned with DNA evidence. Mr. Griesbach’s reliance on Mr. Avery’s prior alleged misconduct is also problematic, given that such prior conduct is inadmissible in court as proof of new conduct due to its potential to bias and mislead fact-finders, and given that some of that prior conduct is also what led authorities to focus on Mr. Avery in the prosecution that led to his wrongful conviction in the 1985 attempted rape and murder for which Mr. Avery spent 18 years wrongly imprisoned.

We believe it is important, however, to have diverse voices on our Advisory Board and we value the input of our prosecutor members. We created our Advisory Board to try to break through the adversarial polarization that marks our criminal justice system in the United States. WIP's Advisory Board is deliberately composed of experts from a wide array of positions and perspectives in the criminal justice system. The Board is not a governing Board; it does not set policy, manage the budget, make litigation decisions, oversee personnel, or perform any of the other tasks traditionally associated with a governing or fiduciary board. It is, rather, an advisory board--a board whose function is to provide advice to the staff and students at the UW Law School who do handle the cases and determine the direction of the project.

Given the diversity on the Board, disagreements among Board members, and disagreements between individual Board members and WIP policy or casework decisions, are inevitable on occasion. In those instances, Board members are of course free to express those opinions, but do so in their individual or other capacities, and not as members of the WIP Advisory Board. And while those disagreements may arise, WIP continues to value the input of those Board members, as they help WIP staff and students to be aware of and consider competing perspectives on the criminal justice system and individual cases, and thereby help WIP serve its mission-exonerating the innocent, improving the system to reduce errors, and educating law students.

Keith Findley and Carrie Sperling

Co-Directors, Wisconsin Innocence Project

Submitted by WIP Admin on September 20, 2016
10-01-2016 , 07:43 PM
From M.Griesback AMA on SAIG...

@zellnerlaw @jbuting @johnferak Griesbach AMA: about Buting and Strang: "the frame up defense was all they had." Denny made sure of it, huh?

10-02-2016 , 07:19 AM
Lol I was going to link that innocence project disclaimer. Seems like venerable writing genius griesbach won't be able to use the innocence project as a counterpoint to his Greedy douchy publishing and media whoring
10-02-2016 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
Lol I was going to link that innocence project disclaimer. Seems like venerable writing genius griesbach won't be able to use the innocence project as a counterpoint to his Greedy douchy publishing and media whoring
Seems unethical for a currently employed prosecutor to write about a case that his office is actively involved. Regardless of his personal opinion on innocence or guilt. Of course he is doing it for money and that is ok. He should resign and then write a book and remove perception. But they just don't seem to know how to do that in Manitowoc...
10-03-2016 , 07:21 PM
The jury knows they weren't presented everything. Why would the prosecution withhold evidence...unless the "evidence" wouldn't stand up to questioning.

Of course the jurors would still agree with the guilty verdict. I don't blame them. Who would want that on their conscience that they sent a potentially innocent man to jail?

http://www.convolutedbrian.com/linge...roduction.html

Avery Trial Jurors Want Answers From Dassey Trial

***And they hope that the Dassey trial will supply them.

The jurors in the Avery trial had agreed to a pact of silence. But, the large gaps of evidence and the lack of a defined crime scene left some with a feeling that evidence had been withheld.

WGBA-TV interviewed Rick Mahler and an unidentified woman juror who are attending the Brendan Dassey trial in an attempt to feel more comfortable with their part in the Avery verdict. Both are taking notes.

They believe that prosecution withheld evidence for use in the Dassey trial. The huge gaps in evidence and lack of a defined crime scene are disturbing. They still agree with the guilty verdict.***
10-03-2016 , 07:38 PM
So, I happen to be scrolling through the channels today, and on Dr. Phil today was SA's new fiancée.

Apparently she watched the doc, then wrote him, and he proposed before they even met in person.
10-04-2016 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown Making a Murderer
So, I happen to be scrolling through the channels today, and on Dr. Phil today was SA's new fiancée.

Apparently she watched the doc, then wrote him, and he proposed before they even met in person.
It is already over. Those celebrity engagements just don't seem to last.
10-04-2016 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt Making a Murderer
It is already over. Those celebrity engagements just don't seem to last.
I heard he got mad because she wouldn't read the transcripts.
10-04-2016 , 02:56 AM
the final straw was when she kept calling him SA instead of steven
10-04-2016 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
From M.Griesback AMA on SAIG...

@zellnerlaw @jbuting @johnferak Griesbach AMA: about Buting and Strang: "the frame up defense was all they had." Denny made sure of it, huh?

When you think SA is guilty and still KK is telling you to GTFO because you don't know WTF you are talking, it's time to consider other occupations.

BTW - Where is PoorShillz?
10-05-2016 , 08:56 AM
lkasigh's mental state has deteriorated further after this opossum incident
10-08-2016 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeti Making a Murderer
the final straw was when she kept calling him SA instead of steven
He thought she was saying this instead of using his initials...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=es%C3%A9
10-12-2016 , 01:16 AM
He's guilty AF guys. Let it go.
10-13-2016 , 11:20 AM
Dassey Appeal: Motion to Supplement the Record denied

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...nt_the_record/


Keeping Dassey in jail will be hard this time.
The judge seems to have a strong opinion already
10-13-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
Dassey Appeal: Motion to Supplement the Record denied

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...nt_the_record/


Keeping Dassey in jail will be hard this time.
The judge seems to have a strong opinion already
Why would it be hard this time? The state has him in a state prison. The appeal process can take an eternity. Look at all the people that thought that BD would be out of jail by now.
10-13-2016 , 01:39 PM
did you read it ? i might be reading too much into it but since the DA appealed every news about the appeal as been pretty one sided with the judge hinting he wont let them stall and is already questioning hard their motions.
10-13-2016 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
did you read it ? i might be reading too much into it but since the DA appealed every news about the appeal as been pretty one sided with the judge hinting he wont let them stall and is already questioning hard their motions.
Is he going to take the prison keys? There is an appeals process. It has to go through a court system. The state can also choose to try BD again. Since it is homicide, they can refuse to grant bail. It still remains a 'state' case.
10-14-2016 , 12:57 AM
If they lose the appeal he is out and a new trial require evidences since they wont be able to use the confession anymore they don't have much.
Unless Zellner tests show Dassey as the killer or some other mind**** Dassey should be done soon.
10-14-2016 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
If they lose the appeal he is out and a new trial require evidences since they wont be able to use the confession anymore they don't have much.
Unless Zellner tests show Dassey as the killer or some other mind**** Dassey should be done soon.
What is the exact appeals process? Can they keep appealing this to the Supreme Court?

Where are there cases of federal judges releasing state criminals?

http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/l...906-story.html
10-14-2016 , 05:32 PM
Would be great to hear oski's opinion on the process.
From what I read if they lose this appeal which seems likely they ll have to trial him again without the confession.

      
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