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09-26-2016 , 10:54 PM
Yo lostinthesaus check this series out, 1st episode http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...tion-episode-1
2nd episode in 2 days I'll post in on wed night if I remember or if ma beloved Celtic F.C. don't lose lOl
09-26-2016 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
You believe a woman was raped, tied up, stabbed, etc by 2 men in a bedroom.

What evidence do you have of this?
No point rehashing all the evidence. It's been discussed and dismissed as a police conspiracy for like a thousand pages.
09-26-2016 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
You believe a woman was raped, tied up, stabbed, etc by 2 men in a bedroom.

What *evidence do you have of this?
1: key-S.A. Dna on it found in his bedroom
2: 1 Bullet found in S.A. garage with TRACE Dna of T.H.
3: T.H. Rav4 found on ASY with S.A. blood inside.
4: T.H. bones found in fire pit, identified by mtDNA.
5. Evidence found in Burn barrels on ASY with PDSA/Phone/Camera/charred remains.
6: Because B.D. said so & slipped up with small details. (Whole confession was NOT wrong) Duffin knows nothin, just because some ppl angleshoot they still get paid $ & those Dollars are real man.
7:
Spoiler:
Opossum

*lOl


^^I got this Revots.... now about those jailhouse snitches.

Last edited by smacc25; 09-26-2016 at 11:15 PM.
09-26-2016 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
No point rehashing all the evidence. It's been discussed and dismissed as a police conspiracy for like a thousand pages.
No, please. I promise I will not say any evidence of the bloody rape stabbing that occurred in the bedroom will be called out for being planted.
09-26-2016 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
You are arguing his innocence based on him not doing a good enough job getting rid of all the evidence. This is exactly what murderers do on a regular basis and why they usually get caught.

I see no reason to think that he could not have cleaned the garage floor, burned the bedding/clothes etc., and yet left the car hidden thinking he could get rid of it later. It's not the smartest move but the guy is obviously not a genius. It certainly seems more likely than the grand police conspiracy that would be required to manufacture all the evidence.
He was only able to get rid of 99.99% of the evidence. The stuff he didn't get rid of just happen to be the most obvious. Like a car. And he hid that evidence with a bunch of twigs.

Do you know how hard it is to get blood off of clothes? Do you? You have to wash it 10 times. I would bet he hasn't washed his clothes 10 times in a year.

There were five bullets shot from the gun. Where is the blood from all those bullet wounds? There would be blowback and splatter everywhere. That a team of experts would have trouble erasing over weeks. Yet BD and SA did this in a matter of hours. Sure. A jury believed it so it must be true.
09-27-2016 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
You are arguing his innocence based on him not doing a good enough job getting rid of all the evidence. This is exactly what murderers do on a regular basis and why they usually get caught.

I see no reason to think that he could not have cleaned the garage floor, burned the bedding/clothes etc., and yet left the car hidden thinking he could get rid of it later. It's not the smartest move but the guy is obviously not a genius. It certainly seems more likely than the grand police conspiracy that would be required to manufacture all the evidence.
True but what catches them is exactly what wasn't found here.

A hair, a fiber, a skin cell, an almost microscopic drop of blood, etc.

That's because it's almost impossible to avoid such even when you plan ahead, not because murderers are "illogical" and leave bigass smears of blood a victim's car.
09-27-2016 , 05:51 AM
slow p-p-pony
09-27-2016 , 02:25 PM
If all the evidence that's presented at trial is the bloody rav4 found on the property, do we get a conviction?

Don't get me wrong I think SA is a scumbag and a murderer but I also believe every piece of evidence presented at trial besides the bloody RAV4 should not have been admissible. The guy deserves a new trial and if the rav4 is not enough to convict then he should walk
09-27-2016 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SretiCentV Making a Murderer
If all the evidence that's presented at trial is the bloody rav4 found on the property, do we get a conviction?

Don't get me wrong I think SA is a scumbag and a murderer but I also believe every piece of evidence presented at trial besides the bloody RAV4 should not have been admissible. The guy deserves a new trial and if the rav4 is not enough to convict then he should walk
I would think it would be enough. If I am on a jury and there is a dead woman with blood from a suspect in her car, that is highly suspicious.

The problem is that the finding of the RAV is dubious. You had an ex-private investigator that gave conflicting testimony of touching the car and the doors being locked or unlocked. Not to mention that it appears that AC may have seen the car before it was "discovered".
09-28-2016 , 03:08 AM
What is the conspiracy theory why there are no pictures/video of where TH's bones were discovered and how they were moved to a box?

You had 200 people on the site investigating a homicide yet there is not a single picture of the remains? They filmed everything else. The key, the car, the flyovers, the wound.

Isn't it standard protocol when bones are discovered to take out cameras and photograph the evidence before it is moved so the defense can't say it was planted?

The prosecution said their discovery was limited because of Avery's dog guarding the burn pit. And they took a picture of the scary dog. But not the burn pit.

We are supposed to take everything at fact. How? This could be the craziest story ever presented.
09-28-2016 , 05:17 AM
It's so crazy how incompetent / negligent they were at every step.

No conspiracy just systemic gross negligence and incompetence spanning decades.
09-28-2016 , 11:22 AM
Hot take: Steven Avery's guilt or innocence is irrelevant. You can't convict someone like this. The process to have him released should've started the week after any half-intelligent ranking official with jurisdiction became aware of the details of the case.
09-28-2016 , 11:48 AM
So they can't get near burn pit because of a dog.

And then they don't take any pictures of the burn pit with bones.

It was a family dog! This wasn't a fire-breathing dragon guarding treasure. Did 200 law enforcement officers plot for 2 days how they can distract the dog and check out the burn pit?

How about the following:
a) Put some food to the side
b) Tranquilizer
c) Take chain off wall. Move chain.
d) Shoot dog.
e) Wear a dog protection outfit and grab dog
f) Distract dog with toys

Not such a complex operation.
09-28-2016 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MiRee446 Making a Murderer
Hot take: Steven Avery's guilt or innocence is irrelevant. You can't convict someone like this. The process to have him released should've started the week after any half-intelligent ranking official with jurisdiction became aware of the details of the case.
Beyond ridiculous. You have the coroner blocked off because it was a conflict of interest, yet the Sheriffs that were being deposed just the week before are finding every key piece of evidence. There are 200 law enforcement officers there, yet 2 people who were not supposed to be involved are working the case on their off-hours and logging overtime.

Ex-boyfriend is leading search party and is allowed to enter crime scene.

No pictures.

You have a Federal Judge who says confession was obviously coerced. BD remains in jail.

There is not much you can do to get them out. First case, a DETECTIVE said they had the wrong person in custody and nothing happened for 8 years.

Not one part of this investigation and prosecution isn't botched. From start to finish to now to whenever they die in prison.

It has come down to the people who believe he is guilty offering proof as the jury verdict alone.
09-28-2016 , 12:20 PM
I was trying to find a non-conspiracy theory of why their were no pictures taken of the burn pit nor was there any notes taken.

Chalking it up to being forgetful? Lack of knowledge?

Nice.

http://www.morningnewsusa.com/making...n-2386278.html
***Speaking about the lack of photographs, Fairgrieve says the lack of photographs did not mean that the “police were malicious.” He added that it could be because of the deputies’ forgetfulness or lack of knowledge and experience when it comes to investigating death scenes. “Their mistake here was, because of the type of case this was and the high-profile nature, they did not want to let it sit,” Fairgrieve said. “What should have been done was to protect the scene until you get all your (forensic) experts there. But they operated out of ignorance.”***
09-28-2016 , 12:43 PM
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...r-And-Ertl.pdf

The investigator realizes that there are no photos. Um, why?

Response: Well, um, we, um, we don't take pictures of altered scenes.

Really. Who altered the scene? Steve Avery was in custody.

If that was the case that photographs can't be taken of any scenes that were altered, there would no pictures at all or used at the trial. Car, trailer or garage. They were all altered in some fashion.

How long are we supposed to believe all of this?
09-28-2016 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MiRee446 Making a Murderer
Hot take: Steven Avery's guilt or innocence is irrelevant. You can't convict someone like this. The process to have him released should've started the week after any half-intelligent ranking official with jurisdiction became aware of the details of the case.
Can't convict someone like what?
09-28-2016 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Can't convict someone like what?
Don't bite...unless you like book commercials and click bait.
09-28-2016 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Don't bite...unless you like book commercials and click bait.
09-28-2016 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
Yo lostinthesaus check this series out, 1st episode http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...tion-episode-1
2nd episode in 2 days I'll post in on wed night if I remember or if ma beloved Celtic F.C. don't lose lOl
Yeah watched it. It's decent.

I feel like I'll always be chasing the high of MaM though. It was just so well done and nothing has been even close.

I also hate the fact that you have to wait a week for new episodes. Netflix just wins.
09-28-2016 , 05:37 PM
So what's A.C. excuse for not writing reports on time?

I mean Jesus Andy wtf.....

DS: Mr. Avery then was charged with the most serious crime someone can commit in this state?
AC: Yes, sir.
DS: When, sir, did you first make a written report of anything having to do with the November 3, 2005, meeting with Mr. Avery?
AC: June of '06 I believe.
DS: Does June 29, 2006 sound correct?
AC: Yes.
DS: A few days short of the 4th of July?
AC: Yes, sir.
DS: Not quite 8 months after the conversation with Mr. Avery?
AC: Yes, sir.
DS: Was that a timely report?
AC: I wasn't even aware that Manitowoc County had our own report. I didn't find out about it till then.
09-28-2016 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Yeah watched it. It's decent.

I feel like I'll always be chasing the high of MaM though. It was just so well done and nothing has been even close.

I also hate the fact that you have to wait a week for new episodes. Netflix just wins.
Yes & yes.

I just want to watch it when I want, how I want.

Gonna be hard to beat MaM & tbh Hope there is NEVER a case like this again but that's wishful thinking as Human nature says otherwise

Do you want me to post the 2nd episode Lost?

09-29-2016 , 02:01 AM
Is there a point when even if you believe SA is guilty that you agree that the investigation and prosecution were messed up that he should be free.

Ken Kratz was able to prosecute both SA and BD separately. What would happen if the same juror was on both trials? He/she would hear two totally different crime scenes with one scenario having one suspect and the second scenario having two suspects and rape.

Does someone think a pet kept law enforcement away for two days?

Who believes the reasoning that no pictures were taken of where the bones were found?

Rely on police reports for everything.

Scary way to be found guilty.
09-29-2016 , 06:49 AM
A really good detailed read imo :

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...mission_which/

Anyone thinking the investigation was fine when you read that kind of stuff cannot be taken seriously.
09-29-2016 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
A really good detailed read imo :

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...mission_which/

Anyone thinking the investigation was fine when you read that kind of stuff cannot be taken seriously.
It has come down to people who believe Steve Avery is guilty that it doesn't matter about the investigation or trial. I saw one comment that said that it was ok that Kratz lied. He got the job done and put two guilty people in jail. I don't think we want a legal system like that.

      
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