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09-21-2016 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by luckproof Making a Murderer
You think its likely that they hired a hit man to not kill SA but instead kill an innocent woman? Why wouldn't they just kill SA?
Does not absolve them of their crimes of falsely imprisoning him for the original case.

Steven Avery Law still passes.

Everyone involved takes a massive hit to their reputations. Family can still proceed with lawsuit. Depositions proceed and whatever was on the verge of being uncovered comes to light.

Everything rests on the timing of THs murder. The 2 biggest and most influential people were days away from being deposed in what is clearly an ultra shady cover up.
09-21-2016 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Heady Making a Murderer
Not necessarily. Let me restate: likely personally liable, including the MCSO.




Well, dude, we just don't know.

That's what everyone with an IQ over 10 is trying to figure out in here.

With millions of dollars at stake, I think it's probably as simple as the organization that has a history of being corrupt just hired an unsavory professional they probably knew personally, and that they had SA's phone tapped, and the pro found his opportunity that day.
Welcome to the thread, a small post by ductit from reddit......
...that Rolie J, the owner of SA's trailer and the property it sat on (Avery didn't live on the ASY), also owned the rifle that is claimed by the State to have been used by SA to murder TH;
...that Rolie J says he left it there when he moved out;
...that Rolie was renting the trailer to Jodie before SA moved in with her;
...that Rolie stated he had fired over 5,000 rounds from that rifle over the years on his property there when he was living in that trailer;
...that none of the above was disputed by either the defense or the State...
...that trace DNA was found on the end of the barrel of this gun when SC analyzed it at the Wisc State Crime Lab;
...that SC's report states that no further testing was done on this trace DNA that was found on the end of the gun barrel;
...that SC would later make a special exception, and for the first (and only) time in her career, use the contaminated DNA profile that she developed from the magic bullet "found" following BD's "confession" in 2006;
...that the contaminated profile SC would make this once in a career special exception for was developed from a "trace" DNA sample;
...that no hesitation was given before proceeding to both attempt to develop and to then admit into evidence this contaminated profile even though the magic bullet only yielded a trace DNA sample;
...that the Special Prosecutor assigned to persecute (and prosecute) Steven Avery was aware that a DCI Agent had told SC to "place Teresa in Avery's garage", and SC even wrote down this exact quote as a reminder within the notes in the body of the lab message form;
...that the magic bullet containing the trace DNA sample detailed above which SC would later develop a contaminated profile from which is claimed to match Teresa was found in "Avery's garage";
...that a Federal Magistrate has thrown out BD's "confession" that was used as probable cause to search "Avery's garage" and find this magic bullet as he found that BD's constitutional rights were violated during the interrogation and as a result, his conviction is overturned, and the State of Wisconsin must either retry or release him within 90 days of his ruling;
...that this Federal Magistrate also stated in his opinion that the, now inadmissible, confession was the 'entirety of the State's case' against him for the crimes he was convicted of;
...that the Wisconsin Attorney General has chosen to appeal the Federal Magistrate's ruling, and claims that the Federal Magistrate was more or less flat out wrong on every single finding that he made within his opinion;
...that this isn't this Federal Magistrate's first rodeo;
...that even after the State's no expense spared effort and SC's once in a career special exception to obtain and admit the contaminated profile developed from a trace DNA sample found on the magic bullet, no effort or record is made of any attempt to go back and even try to develop a profile from the trace DNA sample found on the end of the gun barrel that the State claims was used by "Avery" to murder "Teresa" by firing the magic bullet, along with 13 other alleged bullets that were never recovered, at point blank range "in Avery's garage";
...that if KK had emailed SC and told her to 'try and profile that trace DNA sample on the gun', that he would have been doing the ethical, responsible, & moral thing, all of which would be once in a career special exceptions for him;
...that there are people in this world that can read all of the above and pretend that it all just goes away and everything is going to be alright if they just close their eyes and keep telling themselves that 'it's just this one time and he deserves it because he's a bad person, and nothing like this could ever happen to me or any of my loved ones, because we're good people';
...that being "good people" is subjective, and it isn't going to save you if you don't have the means by which to overcome an opposition with unlimited resources that has set out to paint you as whatever they need to win their case or whatever other game they are really playing, because "poor people lose, poor people lose all the time...";
09-21-2016 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Heady Making a Murderer
One thing is for sure, burning a body that thoroughly takes some serious work.
https://www.sott.net/article/185067-...ensics-of-fire

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd..._the_burn_pit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAvery...ence_debunked/
09-21-2016 , 07:14 PM
Its hard to believe that the Bones are even more disputed than the bullet to anyone who has followed this case, MTDna lOl MTDna lOl

You could prob get a result using mtDna from the bones that match me & i'm in another country, that's how ****ing BAD these result's are.
09-21-2016 , 07:20 PM
Yo never know with this lot & they may surprise us & actually hand over the Motorola Razr that was found in T.H. apartment, but tbh I doubt it. Then there's the case of the missing sorry extra key's. lOl hope they have receipt's for THAT key.
09-21-2016 , 07:27 PM
? how many stops does it take to get evidence back to WI Crime lab?
Answer: at least 1 stop more than it should.

How many times can you pick up the same burn barrel in ASY to take to CCSO?
Nope sorry your wrong, it's not once in wisconsin it 2 times cos KK said so.
09-21-2016 , 07:33 PM
Why did Investigators take 7 pairs of panties from T.H. Room?

Spoiler:
sorry, I don't no
09-21-2016 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
The words of someone who tried and failed to think up a reasonable framing theory.

How many people did it take to put an innocent man in jail? In 1985 it took the DA, sheriff, and a high ranking officer who traced a drawing off of a mug shot. The rest of the department just followed along like baby ducks after their mama. Seeming oblivious to the fact that someone else could have committed the crime. Why do this again? Look no further than the Brendan Dassey confession. It clearly shows how powerful a tool public opinion can be. After his release the state legislators passed a bill, and named it for Steven Avery. Then sheriff Peterson, Lenk, and Colburn are deposed to give testimony in his civil case. If his case had been allowed to come to conclusion, is there anyone who thinks this would not be front page news. Not only in the papers, but also in the media. The pubic opinion would have been they were guilty of sending an innocent to jail. Not only that, but may have conspired to keep him there. Now are we to be baby ducks oblivious to the reason they singled out Steven Avery?
09-21-2016 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Heady Making a Murderer

That's the big question, how does TH tie into this? I've always wondered if maybe TH had a one off or short lived affair with someone in LE. I only thought that because someone wrote she was a criminal justice major. I never looked further into it. I don't know.
Hahahaha oh man congrats I didn't think the conspiratard theories could get any dumber but I was wrong.
09-22-2016 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer



How many people did it take to put an innocent man in jail? In 1985 it took the DA, sheriff, and a high ranking officer who traced a drawing off of a mug shot. The rest of the department just followed along like baby ducks after their mama. Seeming oblivious to the fact that someone else could have committed the crime. Why do this again? Look no further than the Brendan Dassey confession. It clearly shows how powerful a tool public opinion can be. After his release the state legislators passed a bill, and named it for Steven Avery. Then sheriff Peterson, Lenk, and Colburn are deposed to give testimony in his civil case. If his case had been allowed to come to conclusion, is there anyone who thinks this would not be front page news. Not only in the papers, but also in the media. The pubic opinion would have been they were guilty of sending an innocent to jail. Not only that, but may have conspired to keep him there. Now are we to be baby ducks oblivious to the reason they singled out Steven Avery?
I don't know why the women that were raped because GA was "falsely" freed have't sued or been compensated.
09-22-2016 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
Hahahaha oh man congrats I didn't think the conspiratard theories could get any dumber but I was wrong.
What is your theory of why the coroner for the county was refused access but the sheriffs were allowed? Taking into account the coroner had no involvement with the 1985 lawsuit at all.

What is your theory why the death certificate indicates that an autopsy had been performed? What date did the coroner perform the autopsy and it was also confirmed the bones were THs?

What is your theory of why an ex-boyfriend was allowed to entire a secured crime area?
09-22-2016 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt Making a Murderer
I don't know why the women that were raped because GA was "falsely" freed have't sued or been compensated.
Have you seen what happens to people who sue the state in Wisconsin?
09-22-2016 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
I am an attorney and have experience defending big insurance cases. I had already weighed in on my take in this thread.

If you don't want to dig it up, I put the settlement value of the case at around 10 - 15 mm. Trial value would have been substantially higher.

Also, I offered the opinion that individuals would face exposure as well.

Poorshillz is completely wrong on that topic and demonstrates that he or she does not have any idea of how civil litigation or insurance policies work in the real world.
To be fair poorskillz knowledge of the criminal justice system was non existent before he caught wind of this case so it's not surprising that his education of the civil side might equate to that of a belligerent Judge Judy defendant.
09-22-2016 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt View Post
I don't know why the women that were raped because GA was "falsely" freed have't sued or been compensated.
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Have you seen what happens to people who sue the state in Wisconsin?
It'd be easier to kill them, according to a local sheriff.

That gives us a clue as to how their minds work.
09-22-2016 , 06:21 AM
Also happened upon revots defending police in the law and order thread. It's like he tries to be on the wrong side of everything.

He did admit the Tulsa shooting looked bad, though. Baby steps, I guess.
09-22-2016 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by happyhappy... Making a Murderer
Also happened upon revots defending police in the law and order thread. It's like he tries to be on the wrong side of everything.

He did admit the Tulsa shooting looked bad, though. Baby steps, I guess.
I was curious and scrolled through Revots' recent posts. All I found were posts critical of recent police shootings, critical of Trump's actions, defending NFL players' protests, explaining how he can't possibly truly understand the struggles a black person or a woman goes through as a non-black male, and talking about golf.

So I don't really see what you're talking about. All his posts seemed very rational to me.


Meanwhile, you're theorizing a dead woman had an affair with cops (based on your mistaken belief she was a criminal justice major), and that somehow leads to these cops killing her and framing an innocent man, all in order to get out of a lawsuit against the county which no individual was going to be personally liable for and was settled for $400k and which was covered by insurance.
09-22-2016 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt Making a Murderer
What is your theory of why the coroner for the county was refused access but the sheriffs were allowed? Taking into account the coroner had no involvement with the 1985 lawsuit at all.
Blocking the coroner from investigating the crime scene was a deliberate act, which renders the cremains 'evidence' rather dubious.

No one has been able to come up with any legitimate reason why the police in charge of the investigation purposefully sabotaged a proper evaluation of the site.

Of course, the judge thought it might 'confuse' the jury to know these suspicious circumstances and did not allow the coroner's testimony.

This is another instance where we have access to more information than the jury did.
09-22-2016 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
all in order to get out of a lawsuit against the county which no individual was going to be personally liable for



Keep on keepin' on, Shillz....
09-22-2016 , 09:16 AM
I prefer keep ****ing that chicken. I don't think that saying will ever get old for me.
09-22-2016 , 12:08 PM
In a letter filed this week, Assistant Attorney General and special prosecutor Thomas Fallon asks Judge Sutkiewicz to schedule a hearing sometime during the weeks of Oct. 24, Oct. 31 or Nov. 7.
"This should give the State ample time to locate and inventory all items which are the subject of the Defendant's Motion. Additionally, this should provide the State with time to determine which items are covered by the April 4, 2007, Preservation of Blood Evidence and Independent Defense Testing Order entered by Judge Patrick L. Willis at the conclusion of Defendant's trial," Fallon wrote.

http://fox11online.com/news/local/la...-in-avery-case
09-22-2016 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by happyhappy... Making a Murderer
Also happened upon revots defending police in the law and order thread. It's like he tries to be on the wrong side of everything.

He did admit the Tulsa shooting looked bad, though. Baby steps, I guess.
Unfortunately in the world of 2+2 everything is black and white and every situation is the same. It makes me think most on here must be in their teens or early 20s. I probably thought that way then too.

For example I can be a liberal who supports Obama and Hillary (which I am), and still believe the Ferguson police shooting was justified. I can also believe the Tulsa shooting was not. Eric Garner being choked to death was clearly wrong. The reason is that every instance of a cop vs. a black person is not the same, believe it or not. The actual situation matters, not just the color of their skin.

Likewise I can acknowledge there are bad cops who should be punished, while still supporting the majority of police officers who do a very difficult job and mostly do it very well. I can feel that Avery was wronged by being falsely jailed for rape, while still believing he is a violent person who killed Teresa Halbach beyond a reasonable doubt based on the mountain of evidence all pointing at him.
09-22-2016 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
Unfortunately in the world of 2+2 everything is black and white and every situation is the same. It makes me think most on here must be in their teens or early 20s. I probably thought that way then too.

For example I can be a liberal who supports Obama and Hillary (which I am), and still believe the Ferguson police shooting was justified. I can also believe the Tulsa shooting was not. Eric Garner being choked to death was clearly wrong. The reason is that every instance of a cop vs. a black person is not the same, believe it or not. The actual situation matters, not just the color of their skin.

Likewise I can acknowledge there are bad cops who should be punished, while still supporting the majority of police officers who do a very difficult job and mostly do it very well. I can feel that Avery was wronged by being falsely jailed for rape, while still believing he is a violent person who killed Teresa Halbach beyond a reasonable doubt based on the mountain of evidence all pointing at him.

Very reasonable, I appreciate the response.

It is still hard to fathom that you look at all the information available about this case and think it points to Steven Avery. Just on a common sense level about so many things.
09-22-2016 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi Making a Murderer



Keep on keepin' on, Shillz....
Can you explain why he is wrong? Most people don't understand how lawsuits like this work, including me.
09-22-2016 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Does not absolve them of their crimes of falsely imprisoning him for the original case.

Steven Avery Law still passes.

Everyone involved takes a massive hit to their reputations. Family can still proceed with lawsuit. Depositions proceed and whatever was on the verge of being uncovered comes to light.

Everything rests on the timing of THs murder. The 2 biggest and most influential people were days away from being deposed in what is clearly an ultra shady cover up.
So one of the main objectives of the conspiracy is to get him to take a relatively ****ty deal that ends the lawsuit correct?
09-22-2016 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
Unfortunately in the world of 2+2 everything is black and white and every situation is the same. It makes me think most on here must be in their teens or early 20s.
Wanna bet?

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I probably thought that way then too.

For example I can be a liberal who supports Obama and Hillary (which I am), and still believe the Ferguson police shooting was justified. I can also believe the Tulsa shooting was not. Eric Garner being choked to death was clearly wrong. The reason is that every instance of a cop vs. a black person is not the same, believe it or not. The actual situation matters, not just the color of their skin.

Likewise I can acknowledge there are bad cops who should be punished, while still supporting the majority of police officers who do a very difficult job and mostly do it very well. I can feel that Avery was wronged by being falsely jailed for rape, while still believing he is a violent person who killed Teresa Halbach beyond a reasonable doubt based on the mountain of evidence all pointing at him.
Evidence for evolution is a 'mountain of evidence'.

Evidence for global climate change is a 'mountain of evidence'.

The evidence that Steven committed any crime against Teresa is a 'molehill of evidence'.

      
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