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09-08-2016 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kdub72
To be clear, I am stating that I think she broke protocol to give Fassbender what she wrote down that he wanted.
Can you please clarify further what you mean by "broke protocol": do you think Culhane planted TH's DNA on the bullet or only that it was bias that made her request a deviation of protocol?
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09-08-2016 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
/s I'm scottish, forgive my sarcasm.
I should've known better!

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Sometimes its what you don't find or look for that causes Q's l8tr, like a bullet in S.A. garage would have a decent chance of picking up his own DNA, why did all the drain pipes not get ripped apart, or the BED not getting tested or Crivitz not being raided for a missing 25yr old oh & photo everything apart from a fire pit, we could prob go on Bu yeah its sad to say greeseback was correct, it was no Scotland yard.
Yes, they never treated this like an actual missing person case, nor did they treat it like a murder case.

It's as if they knew what they were going to find.
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09-08-2016 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz
Can you please clarify further what you mean by "broke protocol": do you think Culhane planted TH's DNA on the bullet or only that it was bias that made her request a deviation of protocol?
The latter -- I believe that a true blind test, without Fassbender's instructions, would have resulted in her throwing out the results as she had done every other time the control was contaminated.
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09-08-2016 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kdub72
The latter -- I believe that a true blind test, without Fassbender's instructions, would have resulted in her throwing out the results as she had done every other time the control was contaminated.
That's certainly possible, and of course there's no way of knowing whether that affected her decision or not (perhaps even SC doesn't know).

However, regardless of whether or not bias affected her decision to request the deviation of protocol, the fact is that SC had legitimate reasons for requesting it and her request for a deviation from protocol was approved. Furthermore, as Griesbach states, no defense expert challenged SC's explanation of why the results were still valid.
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09-08-2016 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz
That's certainly possible, and of course there's no way of knowing whether that affected her decision or not (perhaps even SC doesn't know).

However, regardless of whether or not bias affected her decision to request the deviation of protocol, the fact is that SC had legitimate reasons for requesting it and her request for a deviation from protocol was approved. Furthermore, as Griesbach states, no defense expert challenged SC's explanation of why the results were still valid.
LOL "approved"

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09-08-2016 , 01:39 PM
An oversight? A bungled DNA test?

I guess that's what comes from drinking on the job.

It's disgusting that these clowns have people's lives in their filthy hands.
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09-08-2016 , 05:02 PM


Yet señorita Culhane A) confirms with naked eye that there is so little DNA that only ONE test would ever be able to be performed. B) Contaminates the one and only test that will ever be performed C) DOES NOT got proper authority to deviate from protocol to submit the results. D) Admits that she was ordered by Fassbender as to what the results of these tests should be.

I mean wtf? Only the most important test in the entire case that sentenced TWO people to essentially their whole lives in jail.

Meanwhile, Poorshillz and Greaseback are attempting to profit off of books that defend this person and her deplorable acts.

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09-08-2016 , 05:14 PM
Key in the room
bones
Brandon
bullet in the garage

all LOL

The blood in the Rav4 that the FBI swears is Avery's and came directly from him rather than a vial... GG

They framed a guilty man here. If a new test shows otherwise then I go straight to team not guilty.
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09-08-2016 , 06:01 PM
You can remove his nephew confessions from your list already a judge said it was a shame of a police work and ordered to release him in 2 months. Your list took a big hit already and you are left with super sketchy stuff.
But your framed a guilty guy is still possible. the phone reccord and location of calls are not implying that at all tho or make it super difficult to pull off.
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09-08-2016 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SretiCentV
Key in the room
bones
Brandon
bullet in the garage

all LOL

The blood in the Rav4 that the FBI swears is Avery's and came directly from him rather than a vial... GG

They framed a guilty man here. If a new test shows otherwise then I go straight to team not guilty.
I take it that you mean "not guilty" in the legal sense.

I am in the camp that believes that the shoddy work by the police / science lab / prosecutors should have led to a likely guilty party not being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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09-08-2016 , 06:27 PM
I find it likely Steven had nothing to do with any crime against Teresa Halbach.

One of the best reasons to believe that is that after intensive searches, no crime scene was found where Steven is known to have been.

If the crime was committed elsewhere, then Steven could not have done it.
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09-08-2016 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SretiCentV

They framed a guilty man here.
Do you have evidence to back this up, or why you came to this conclusion.
Thx.
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09-08-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
LOL "approved"

I imagine the conv went like this..."GTFO here, I ain't signing that"
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09-08-2016 , 07:06 PM
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09-08-2016 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I take it that you mean "not guilty" in the legal sense.

I am in the camp that believes that the shoddy work by the police / science lab / prosecutors should have led to a likely guilty party not being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I held a similar belief initially after watching the show.

I'm curious, what research have you done outside of the show?
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09-08-2016 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
I imagine the conv went like this..."GTFO here, I ain't signing that"
Whoever the supervisor was perhaps didn't want to implicate herself.

Here is a contemporary account of Culhane's performance in court:

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Two disturbing pieces of information came out. First, there was an email from the Special Prosecutor Ken Kratz to Culhane on how to deal with the contamination problem. This email was not submitted as evidence. It was presented as a matter for concern.

The second item was a direction from Special Agent Tom Fassbender to Sherry Culhane directing her to place Teresa Halbach in Avery’s Home and garage. This reminiscent of the Oklahoma City scandal involving the same behaviors from detectives who wanted to slant a case. Detectives would tell a veteran forensics supervisor, Joyce Gilchrist, who they suspected and magically the evidence, along with her sworn testimony, would match the desired suspect.1

It seems to me the attempt to direct laboratory results is at least, a great lapse in ethics. Further, this will have the effect of clouding the work of persons in the crime lab. In this case, due to irregularities in the analysis of a bullet fragment, this has a direct impact. This also demonstrates that like Sheriff Tom Kocourek in the false conviction case, the special investigator, and others, had determined who they wanted for the crime and pushed to make the evidence fit.

Culhane’s error rate was shown to be the highest of her group although her analysis time was seventy percent of the other analysts. She explained this by stating she did more samples than others. This is damaging since she was claiming high output as an excuse for errors; even errors that lead to false convictions. In addition, there were 350 items to be tested, a very high number for the lab.
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09-08-2016 , 07:42 PM
I'm grunching here, because there's no way I'm going to read this beast of a thread, but can someone give me cliffs of the involvement of the innocence project right now.

If I remember correctly in the doc, the innocence project took him off their site and refused to help him with the Halbach case. Are they now willing to defend him for this too?
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09-08-2016 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
I'm grunching here, because there's no way I'm going to read this beast of a thread, but can someone give me cliffs of the involvement of the innocence project right now.

If I remember correctly in the doc, the innocence project took him off their site and refused to help him with the Halbach case. Are they now willing to defend him for this too?
http://www.innocenceproject.org/cases/steven-avery/ I honestly can't remember if the Innocence Project has ever released a statement to why they removed S.A. from the site or any future involvement from them. You could email them. GL with that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...manitowoc_for/

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09-08-2016 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
I imagine the conv went like this..."GTFO here, I ain't signing that"
Well, she couldn't sign it because she wasn't there.
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09-08-2016 , 09:41 PM
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I find it likely Steven had nothing to do with any crime against Teresa Halbach.

One of the best reasons to believe that is that after intensive searches, no crime scene was found where Steven is known to have been.

If the crime was committed elsewhere, then Steven could not have done it.
This.

I mean, it's so stupidly obvious. Now factor in BD's "confession" being completely fabricated by LE and fed to him and the entire crime scenario dreamed up by the prosecution becomes pure fiction.

Factor in the 1 in 10 million moonshot Manitowoc county hit by this going down days before the key depositions in the lawsuit, not to mention the blatant lies, planted and fabricated evidence and it's perfectly clear. SA had absolutely nothing to do with TH murder aside from being the target the crime would be pinned on.
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09-08-2016 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
Well, she couldn't sign it because she wasn't there.
Yeah S.C. was tripping. As I remember it S.C. got reprimanded
for not following procedure correctly of off the WI crime lab, Another **** show,
Transparency would have been to keep her hands far far away from this case, but old trusty came through.

I wonder if one off K.Z. credible witnesses is a certain student who observed the DNA test's.

It could be the WI Crime lab supervisor, and as we know the County Coroner will be willing to talk after the **** show they put her through for years.
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09-08-2016 , 10:07 PM
Its a bad day when the SUSPECT is the only one telling the truth the whole truth so help me god. S.A. has never changed on his story, yeah he might have not remembered if he had an actual bombfire or fire.

Everyone else in the case apart from one other brother of B.D. has changed multiple times.
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09-08-2016 , 10:10 PM
The guy is guilty as sin,,,gimme a break already
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09-08-2016 , 10:50 PM
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The guy is guilty as sin,,,gimme a break already
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I take offense to this entire thread. I am usually the drunk guy and everybody always picks on the drunk guy...till we take all your chips...thats when the fun usually begins.
Buncha crybabies,,this aint church.
Funny hearing poker degenerates talk about the drunk degenerates.
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09-08-2016 , 11:38 PM
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I honestly can't remember if the Innocence Project has ever released a statement to why they removed S.A. from the site or any future involvement from them. ]


I believe it was shortly after the Propagan.., 'scuse me Press Conference where the honourable Ken Kratz told the waiting world they had definate proof SA was involved and then went on to very graphically explain exactly what had occurred.
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