The Innocence Project...


http://www.innocenceproject.org/cases/ http://www.innocenceproject.org/getinvolved/
http://www.innocenceproject.org/latest/

GL with that... Btw a racist is a racist.

Well, we've come a long way from 'conspiracies never happen' to 'show me a case where rural police planted a car, its keys, blood to frame someone they know wasn't guilty whose initials are SA'.

lkasigh is 'not interested' in cases where police frame someone whom they imagine might be guilty to invent a case against their chosen target.

You're specifically alleging that the Manitowoc police department found a car belonging to a murder victim, planted someone's blood in the car, and planted the car on that person's property in order to frame them for a murder that the police knew them to be innocent of.

I'm sure lots of cops and prosecutors have done unethical things to bolster their chances of convicting someone they believe to be guilty. I'm sure that lots of cops and prosecutors have made mistakes due to tunnel vision that led them to convicting innocent people. What you are alleging is way, way more serious than this - not a mistake, not tunnel vision, not bending the rules to make sure they put a bad guy away, but an orchestrated plot to convict an innocent person.

You specifically said that there are documented cases of similar conspiracies. I'm just asking you to cite the single documented conspiracy that you feel to be the most similar. Why is that so difficult for you?

Are you trolling? You ask for (extremely precise) examples of which I promptly deliver SIX that all carry extremely similar details and even involve the same people. BTW - we haven't even left Wisconsin.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=8742

You then post the same request while somehow invalidating some of the larger conspiracies which are probably more relevant as they required immense networks of high ranking officials and civilians alike to keep quiet.

So what exactly is it you are doing here?

I don't know where most of you stand, but I think he is guilty.

Seems like a well informed and thought out stance.

I kinda feel like I wasted 10 hours of my life. The end result pleased me. I am just glad the kid did not take a plea bargain and end up on the street in 12 years. The media are vultures. It sickens me people are entertained by this crap.

I had a wee look at Ikasign's profie about 1h 15min's ago & he was writing a response I presumed was to you, I guess we'll have to wait a while longer for it or maybe he has decided to look further into the links you so kindly provided.

I'll admit that I did not realize the extent of the corruption in Crime Labs that have since been exposed (and many more to come I imagine) but what shocked me about the Justice system was when I found out about FALSE forensic science to do with Hair & bullet matches. (& that's just the tip of the iceberg).
The best thing for ALL Justice systems around the world is Blind scientific testing for all crime labs. then we can start to learn faster with more benefits to all, instead of power hungry political motivated bastards using the system to benefit their careers.
And as someone pointed out earlier itt, would there be the same uproar if T.H. was black? I'd say NO. I hate to side with CCuster_911 but he correct on this.

Pepper spraying a 84yr old cos she got uppity. But what's worse is that the chief thinks it's in line with the law.

Glad I posted the gif in response to your comment, now go troll elsewhere.

outfit,

thanks for your great contribution to the thread!

lol, come on. at best your statement is misleading:

Are you for real? One of the cases you posted is about a guy who was caught in the act committing a murder and claimed that the police framed him by pouring animal blood on him. Maybe the one case I've ever heard of that surpasses the Avery case in terms of the ridiculousness of the defense's claims.

Maybe I should spin it another way. Do you believe OJ Simpson killed his ex-wife and Ron Goldman? Has there ever been a case that you know of where someone claimed to be framed by the police but was actually guilty?

This does stand as a good example of an operation where compartmentalization allows many people to participate without knowing the full story.

In the affair of law enforcement keeping the county Coroner from fulfilling her duties and examining the bone fragments allegedly found on the Avery property the officers who kept her off the site might not know the reason why they were ordered to do so.

Here, for example we have a police officer who in two separate cases planted blood to create 'evidence':

It stands to reason that in every case where police plant drugs on someone they know damn well the suspects weren't carrying those drugs.

The same goes for police who plant 'throwdown' weapons on people.

http://addictinginfo.org/2015/04/05/...idence-videos/

What kind of sick police culture is it that has cops carrying around 'evidence' so they are ready at any time to frame innocent civilians?

Planting evidence and perjury are all 'part of the game' for too many police officers.

" Taken together, yesterday's events painted a picture of almost routine fabrication of evidence in criminal cases in the identification unit of Troop C, based in Sidney, 65 miles southwest of Syracuse, beginning at least as far back as 1984. In general, officials said, investigators would use fabricated fingerprint evidence to build cases against people who had already been identified as suspects.

The scandal has already undermined several criminal convictions, and in one case, led to the dismissal of charges of being accessory to murder against a woman who prosecutors now say had been jailed for a crime she did not commit. "

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/30/ny...gerprints.html

"In a confidential interview with a man identified as a confirmed 15-year veteran of Florida's Palm Beach County Sheriff's department, The D.C. Post has uncovered shocking details about allegedly common practices of dishonesty among law enforcement. An excerpt:

I work nights on the Road Patrol in a rough, um, mostly black neighborhood. Planting evidence and lying in your reports are just part of the game.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/540296...just-part-game

"Kevin Parry, 29, pleaded guilty in a U.S. district court to conspiracy to deprive others of their civil rights, a crime punishable by 10 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine, according to U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman.

"The actions described in today's guilty plea are reprehensible, and our investigation of that conduct continues," said Fishman in a press release. "Their actions, however, should be no reflection on the countless dedicated police officers who perform their mission honestly and admirably."

Parry admitted that he and the four other officers planted evidence; threatened people with arrest using planted evidence if they did not cooperate; conducted illegal searches and arrests; paid for cooperation and information, often from prostitutes, with illegal drugs; and wrote up false police reports and gave false testimony in court.

Parry was a police officer in the Camden Police Department since 2006. He and the other four officers were part of a special operations division and Parry said that on 30 to 50 occasions they added drugs to the amount of drugs seized on a person, so that the arrest appeared more significant.

The Camden County Prosecutor's Office said Friday that indictments were dismissed or convictions vacated in 171 cases. There are 14 more cases where charges were dismissed before any indictments were handed up."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGOYVGSvjM

"A Pasadena homicide detective bragged to a co-worker that the department routinely framed suspects, according to a defense attorney who played a tape of the detective in court Wednesday.

The detective, William Broghamer, is accused of intimidating witnesses in the murder trial of Rashad McCoy, a Palmdale man charged in the 2012 shooting death of Joseph Jones, a 23-year-old Pasadena resident.

Deputy Public Defender Cris Contreras tried to show a pattern of witness intimidation by Broghamer when he played for the jury a recorded interview of McCoy’s girlfriend, Mykesha Blair, as well as a comment Broghamer made after a 2011 interview with a suspect in an unrelated case.

After the 2011 interview ended, Broghamer left the recorder running. A sergeant in the room asked if somebody was in custody.

Broghamer responded, 'Just pin it on anybody. That’s how we roll.' "

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/gene...get-conviction

Likewise, Manitowoc police didn't care about Beernsten in 1985 - they pressured her to identify the wrong man against whom they held a grudge. The real perpetrator went on to commit more assaults and rapes, and the police didn't care about those victims either.

Conspiracy theories only itt! Gtfo with that "after watching the series I think he's guilty" bull****.

Proudfoot areyou reading what i'm saying? I know that cops sometimes plant drugs on people. I'm sure there are cases where evidence has been planted against people the cops believe to be guilty. I know there are cases where police have tunnel vision and fixate on the wrong guy - like the 1985 rape that Avery was convicted of.

What you believe happenedin the Halbach murder is way beyond any of that. The fact that people are bringing up stuff like the Manhattan project just shows how ridiculous your claims are. Yes, the military has the capacity to conceal a secret weapons program from the enemy during a war. No, the Manitowoc sheriff's department does not have the capacity (nor any conceivable motivation) to do what you believe they did without leaving any trace of it.

No conceivable motivation? When you readily admit (now) that some police plant evidence on innocent civilians and lie for no other reason than it's their routine?

The police admitted that there'd be motivation when they announced (falsely, it later proved) that Manitowoc police would not participate in the investigation due to the pending lawsuit!

Where did anyone claim there is 'no trace' of shenanigans in this case?

There are questionable circumstances surrounding all of the key evidence in this case. The coerced confession from an alibi witness, the spoilt DNA test on the bullet fragment, the bone fragments supposedly found without forensic documentation (due to police preventing the County Coroner access to the site), the key that magically appears after several searches, et ****ing cetera.

Wait what? What about the other FIVE I posted. As for the single one you bring up, proudfootz has already handled it.

How does this equate to questioning if I believe there has ever been a case where the suspect accused the the police of planting evidence? I don't understand your purpose of posting in here nor the logic behind your posts. You asked for examples. You got examples. Then you cherry pick one bit of info you think invalidates the entire batch of examples.

Maybe I should spin it another way: The thread remains interesting because of the polarized stances and discussions supporting each side. Your contributions have become less and less relevant and more and more shill-like or simply trolling.

Let me do a better one. Anywhere from 7 to 100 people at Volkswagen designed a software program that tricked thousands of angecies that their cars had much better energy efficiency over a period of 12 Years. It was a freak test by university of Virginia students that exposed this scam. Sounds impossible how many people knew about it, kept it secret, and advertised it.

Okay, maybe I should go back to where this whole discussion came from. One document in the Avery case seems to show Halbach's car as having been taken into evidence on Nov. 3.

The two theories under discussion were that it was a typo and that the police actually collected the car on Nov. 3, checked it into evidence, checked it out of evidence, planted Avery's blood in it, and planted it on Avery's property. I said that the typo is far more likely because typos are extremely common, while conspiracies like the one proposed are extremely uncommon.

Just to clarify, the specific features of the proposed conspiracy that I think make it virtually impossible are:
- it would have been unequivocally a malicious plot to frame someone the police knew to be innocent (as well as cover up the real circumstances of Halbach's death) - such plots are very rare - wrongful convictions happen, but almost always due to errors and tunnel vision, not malice;
- it would have had to have been launched literally within hours of Halbach being reported missing - it is inconceivable that anyone could have had enough information at this point to know that Avery was a strong candidate for framing (specifically, whether Avery had an alibi, whether witnesses placed Halbach elsewhere that day, whether forensic evidence in the car would come back to someone else);
- it would have had to have involved many people as active participants and many more as witnesses who would have seen something amiss - no one has ever come forward;
- there was no conceivable motivation for it - Avery being convicted of another crime wouldn't make his lawsuit against the county disappear, the county had insurance that would have covered a settlement, and none of the people being personally sued were involved in the Halbach case. Even assuming that there was some animosity toward Avery among the police department, it wouldn't have been a strong enough motivation for officers to risk their careers and personal liberty by committing multiple felonies.

I asked for examples of similar conspiracies. I got stuff like the Manhattan project and corrupt DAs abusing their power.

The only one that was vaguely similar was a convicted killer who alleged that the police drenched him in animal blood.

Because you presented this case as if it was a documented case of framing rather than an accused trying a desperate defense, I wondered if maybe you had a prejudice against law enforcement that was causing you to look at things less than objectively. That's why I was asking you if you knew of any cases where the accused alleged framing but was actually guilty - to try to make you aware of this possible prejudice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/25/us...ows-grows.html

Anytime police plant evidence and lie is malicious.

The evidence regarding such behavior indicates that they don't have much fear about an investigation revealing their malfeasance because they control the investigation.

There are any number of cases where police rely on the participation of or silence of their fellow 'brothers in blue' when committing these criminal acts. That many such bad cops go on for years framing innocent people is a testimony that their faith is not misplaced.

Such behavior of these badge bearing miscreants doesn't have much by way of rational motive. Sometimes it appears to be enough justification in their eyes that the target of their fraud is a 'bad guy'.

That there are so many police willing to 'risk their careers etc' to frame innocent people is a fact that mitigates against the sort of arguments from incredulity being advanced here.