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04-29-2016 , 02:18 PM
Because it is actual, factual, in the flesh evidence of sexual abuse?
04-29-2016 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
Lol this post is so dumb. I hope TH's family never has to read this nonsense.
KK's poor handling of the investigation, prosecution and texting victims of domestic violence has caused people to question SAs guilt. TH's family should be angry with KK. I am sure they have some creeping doubt. If this was handled appropriately, there would be no discussion 10 years later.
04-29-2016 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
Because it is actual, factual, in the flesh evidence of sexual abuse?
Just to be clear when you're talking about "sexual abuse", you mean his inappropriate text messages?
04-29-2016 , 03:19 PM
So on one hand, we have a man who sent some inappropriate text messages.

On the other hand, we have a man who ran his cousin off the road and tried to abduct her at gunpoint after she accused him of sexually harassing her, was convicted of murdering another woman where his accomplice was convicted of raping her and claimed he did too, and has been accused of rape or domestic abuse by 4 other women.

And you think these facts point to Kratz being closer to a rapist?


By your logic, do you consider Brett Favre to be closer to a rapist than Bill Cosby?
04-29-2016 , 04:00 PM
Show me the rape charge in the Avery case, and any evidence to support it? Or any evidence other than heresy?

Do you actually know what evidence is?

And yes, the EVIDENCE, which is indisputable against kratz, would be his sexual abuse of an abuse victim.
04-29-2016 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
Show me the rape charge in the Avery case, and any evidence to support it? Or any evidence other than heresy?

Do you actually know what evidence is?

And yes, the EVIDENCE, which is indisputable against kratz, would be his sexual abuse of an abuse victim.
Also please show me the rape charge against Dassey thanks ill be waiting
04-29-2016 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer


By your logic, do you consider Brett Favre to be closer to a rapist than Bill Cosby?
No since bill Cosby has actually had charges and civil cases against him? Lol man
04-29-2016 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
So on one hand, we have a man who sent some inappropriate text messages.
http://radaronline.com/wp-content/up...ratz-Texts.pdf

Here are 30 texts. That is more than just some.

He also did more than just text some people.

***In the letter sent to Gov. Jim Doyle on Friday, the woman said she met Kratz through the online dating service Match.com. She accused Kratz of sharing confidential details of a murder investigation with her and "even went so far as to inviting me to go with him to the autopsy (provided I would be his girlfriend and would wear high heels and a skirt)."

Craanen said his client told him he'd gone on a dinner date and got calls about an autopsy during the date but never invited the woman to go with him.***

And you believe this behavior magically started after the Avery trial?
04-29-2016 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
You're getting quite salty!


There's a difference between:

1. offering a subjective opinion, such as, "I do however think that he's been overly vilified for his past mistakes."

and

2. stating something as fact, such as, "Ya I call BS on what Kratz says there. Kratz wanted BD to have nothing to do with Avery trial. He served his purpose to get his rape story out and that was it."


In instance 1, I am not speculating about anything, but rather, knowing all the facts about the case, saying how I personally feel.

In instance 2, if you are going to say things like "Kratz wanted BD to have nothing to do with Avery trial", you need to present at least some sort of evidence to back it up, otherwise it's just baseless speculation and I'll call you out on it. Calling it "common sense speculation" is like putting lipstick on a pig.
See the underlined parts. They are both prefixes to further thoughts.

You think Kratz has been overly vilified.

I think Kratz didn't want BD involved in the Avery case other than to feed an unsupported story to the media that was heard by future jurors.
04-29-2016 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt Making a Murderer
KK's poor handling of the investigation, prosecution and texting victims of domestic violence has caused people to question SAs guilt. TH's family should be angry with KK. I am sure they have some creeping doubt. If this was handled appropriately, there would be no discussion 10 years later.
They have no doubt at all that SA murdered their daughter/sister. Come on man. The only solace they get is that the monster will rot in jail.

Anyway this comparison is just too dumb to continue with. Avery lured an innocent young woman to his house, murdered her in the most horrific, violent way imaginable, and burned her body in his yard. I can't imagine her terror TH must have felt in those final moments.
04-29-2016 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
Nice goal post shift

Never said kratz was more of a danger to society.


However, kratz is the only one that has 100% sexually assaulted someone. Accusations vs fact.
To my knowledge he didn't sexually assault anyone.. He sexually harrassed people but didn't assault them. I am not even sure if anyone has claimed this.
04-29-2016 , 06:08 PM
Interesting. Somehow "kratz being a rapist" turned to "kratz sexually assaulted people" turned to "kratz abusing people sexually" turned to "kratz did a bunch of unethical stuff"

And I am the one shifting the goalposts?

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04-29-2016 , 06:38 PM
If you can quote one post saying that I said kratz is a rapist I'll never post itt again
04-30-2016 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
FYI kratz is closer to being a rapist than Avery based on factual history
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04-30-2016 , 01:06 AM
This is an honest question: Do you know how to read?
04-30-2016 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
They have no doubt at all that SA murdered their daughter/sister.
How do you know what they are thinking?

Is their personal belief enough proof that SA should be rotting in jail?

The case is not Hallbachs vs. Steve Avery. It is People of Wisconsin vs. SA.

My guess is that you are presuming any friend/relative of a known homicide victim wants closure. Very fair. That is a lot more satisfying than believing that there is an unknown assailant roaming free and an innocent person is in jail.

As Penny Bernsteen said she wanted to believe SA was guilty. And she came to believe that he was guilty despite all the initial doubts she openly expressed.
04-30-2016 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU Making a Murderer
This is an honest question: Do you know how to read?
Yes, do you for some reason think being a rapist is some kind of spectrum? You have either raped someone or you haven't. The is no gray area there. So saying someone is "more of a rapist" is calling them a rapist.
04-30-2016 , 07:27 AM
It is amusing seeing people supporting deplorable behavior by people who worked for the state less their house of cards of credibility come crashing down.
04-30-2016 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt Making a Murderer
Not only Ken Kratz victimized multiple people, his behavior sullies the entire justice system. KK has brought "reasonable doubt" that the search for justice/truth is partial. He has cast suspicion on all prosecutors.

The harm KK has caused is much greater than SA. But perhaps quixotically, we will refine the system so that more people are comfortable with the outcomes. Society wins.
Without a doubt. Even if we all agreed that Steven Avery killed Theresa Halbach, Kratz is without question the much more dangerous person who has undoubtedly ruined many more lives.
04-30-2016 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman Making a Murderer
Without a doubt. Even if we all agreed that Steven Avery killed Theresa Halbach, Kratz is without question the much more dangerous person who has undoubtedly ruined many more lives.
Lol oh man. I mean we all agree Kratz is a slimeball but this is just too much.
04-30-2016 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman Making a Murderer
Without a doubt. Even if we all agreed that Steven Avery killed Theresa Halbach, Kratz is without question the much more dangerous person who has undoubtedly ruined many more lives.
Kratz abused people whose lives were already in the gutter.

Avery may or may not have been someone who put people's lives in the gutter to begin with.

But I think this is a fairly easy question to answer. You have a 20 year old daughter.

Would you rather send her to Avery Salvage to get a car part, or send her to Ken Kratz after she is the victim of sexual abuse?
04-30-2016 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman Making a Murderer
It is amusing seeing people supporting deplorable behavior by people who worked for the state less their house of cards of credibility come crashing down.


No one is supporting KK
04-30-2016 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Yes, do you for some reason think being a rapist is some kind of spectrum? You have either raped someone or you haven't. The is no gray area there. So saying someone is "more of a rapist" is calling them a rapist.


He prob means "a higher likelihood"
04-30-2016 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman Making a Murderer
It is amusing seeing people supporting deplorable behavior by people who worked for the state less their house of cards of credibility come crashing down.
No one is supporting kratz.. I am just saying that I would rather live next door to him than avery. If I HAD to choose I would rather my daughter stay the night in his house than avery's.

Obviously, I would prefer not to be involved with either but if I had to choose.. Avery is much more dangerous.

Kratz sent some dirty emails/texts to someone... Unethical, yes! But what avery did was dangerous and without regard for human life. Avery is clearly more dangerous to society.
04-30-2016 , 11:17 AM
Lives ruined by avery:

The 17 year old who accused him of raping her
Two of his ex gfs who alleged he beat them close to death on more than one occasion
His friends wife who claimed he raped her
His nephew who is now spending life in prison because of him
TH
TH entire family and friends
Avery's mother and Father who spend their life trying to save their son because he won't just break the bad news to them


just to name a few..

Kratz

Ruined a few ladies lives by sending them text messages when they were going through a difficult time. He didn't physically harm them or attempt to. It was just harassment.

You could argue that he ruined BD life as well since he wasn't easier on him but I would argue that avery played a bigger part in that than kratz.

      
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