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02-18-2016 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Also, can you clear this up really quick:



Did you mean to type is instead of isn't and 'does not match' after 'confession'?
How many times she was shot in the head

Which side of her head was shot

Bleach on his pants

Bullet in the garage

Vivid details as to why she was put in the back of the rav 4 after dying

The leg irons that he knew about

just to name a few. I feel like getting all those right are beyond coincidence. Even if some of his confession cannot be corroborated too much of it can to reach the verdict of not guilty.
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02-18-2016 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU

Something feels off about the family of TH as well, in particular the brother who seemed unphased by any of the testimony in court.
I find this comment strange to say the least, can you explain it more(unphased)?

But tbh If you have never had a loved 1 murdered & been involved in a murder trial then pls don't bother to answer the above.

Tbh I think you are the 1st(maybe 2nd) itt to say something to this affect, yeah i.ve read it on reddit before but that place if full of keyboard mashing warrior's.

No one can imagine what MH or the Halbach family went through before/during & after the trial or how they would be seen on national TV, its not as if they get coaching like the witnesses or accused.

Give these ppl the space they deserve to grieve & remember the grieving process is different to when someone dies naturally.

Unless you have REAL HARD evidence to say otherwise SHUT THE **** UP about the Halbach family.
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02-18-2016 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Quoting for poorskillz AGAIN lol.

Fraley refused/ignored it the 1st time what makes you think he's going to answer the 2nd time?

Since OJ is on TV again I wonder how many people confessed to the murder?
1--5--10--+20...Hmm I wonder.
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02-18-2016 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
How many times she was shot in the head

Which side of her head was shot

Bleach on his pants

Bullet in the garage

Vivid details as to why she was put in the back of the rav 4 after dying

The leg irons that he knew about

just to name a few. I feel like getting all those right are beyond coincidence. Even if some of his confession cannot be corroborated too much of it can to reach the verdict of not guilty.
JFC how many times does lostinthesaus have to refute ALL these point you make..... For the umpteenth time BD NEW NOTHING ABOUT THOSE POINTS UNTIL EITHER THE MCSD OR THE ****ING NEWS HAD THIS INFO.
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02-18-2016 , 11:59 PM
Oski, LITs, anybody, can you throw some feedback on my post below before I go HAM on this bitch:


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Originally Posted by 5ive
Ok but srsly, all GIFs aside, there is an important issue that needs resolving, though I'm suspecting it won't be resolved. Here is where to find the transcripts and videos of the interviews:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...interviews_ht/

Unfortunately the first school interview doesn't have a video.

The issue is: What do all the ellipses and blank chatboxes mean? There doesn't seem to be any clear consensus anywhere. Naturally I assumed they were what they were, parts where the speaker paused, but going through it started to seem like they were unintelligible parts, and then actual redactions.

So, if possible, give a skim of that and weigh in. You can ignore the actual most of the actual substance and just focus on the parts around an ellipses or blank. It's kinda bizarre.
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02-19-2016 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz
I thought it was obvious that I don't value your opinion one bit on anything besides the civil lawsuit (you yourself admit that you don't know the actual details of the case), but yeah, I'll go back to ignoring you now.
I actually know much more about the case than you do.

So, by ignoring me (what is your list at now - 5, 6, 7 posters ignored?) you rob yourself of a chance to get properly educated on this matter.

Even though you are ungrateful for the opportunity presented to you thus far, I thought at least something would soak into your thick gourd.
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02-19-2016 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
How many times she was shot in the head

Which side of her head was shot

Bleach on his pants

Bullet in the garage

Vivid details as to why she was put in the back of the rav 4 after dying

The leg irons that he knew about

just to name a few. I feel like getting all those right are beyond coincidence. Even if some of his confession cannot be corroborated too much of it can to reach the verdict of not guilty.
Wait wat... Let's pause and backtrack.

I think you quoted the wrong post to reply to, I was asking to clarify the typo in that previous post. I wasn't asking about corroborated evidence.

It's totally easy to brainfart and type IS instead of ISN'T and vice versa, etc. I do it all the time, and sometimes it totally screws up the meaning. That's all I'm asking for you to clear up.

I'm not messing with you, this isn't some trick, just want to make sure what you wanted to say is what I think you wanted to say.
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02-19-2016 , 12:06 AM
Um, and at no point does that address the issues with coverage or defense provided for the individual defendants.

You may be surprised, but at least a few people read the crap you post.
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02-19-2016 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
That isn't what I am saying. I am saying that it is very difficult to just convince someone they did something they didn't do. Even if that person is slightly cognitively impaired.
Yeah, it was a joke.
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02-19-2016 , 12:12 AM
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02-19-2016 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Oski, LITs, anybody, can you throw some feedback on my post below before I go HAM on this bitch:
ellipses appear to mean the same as "(pause)". In a deposition or trial transcript, if an utterance is unintelligible, it will read: "(unintelligible)"

The blanks after e.g. "Brandon," likely reflect a total non answer (and therefore no pause in the middle). It is left blank to show BD was given a chance to answer but was silent then the next question came. If questions come right on top of each other, they usually stay in the same paragraph.

If a witness gives a non-verbal answer, that is reflected on the record: "shakes head 'no'; "nods head up and down" etc.

Anyhow, I'm not laying down gospel, just an educated guess.
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02-19-2016 , 12:15 AM
Phrasing it like this,

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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Sure, a situation where someone falsely confesses without any intimidation or physical violence.. Where he isn't held for hours without contact, water or food, where his lawyers and parents are denied access.. Where his confession matches physical evidence. You would have an accurate comparison.

Keep in mind, even if you can find an example it is an anomaly, because most of the time when people confess to a crime, especially in these kinds of circumstances they are guilty.
means you're saying BD WAS held for hours without contact, water or food, and his parents and lawyers are denied access, and his confession DOES NOT match physical evidence, and I don't think that's what you meant to say.
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02-19-2016 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski
Um, and at no point does that address the issues with coverage or defense provided for the individual defendants.

You may be surprised, but at least a few people read the crap you post.
bang
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02-19-2016 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski
ellipses appear to mean the same as "(pause)". In a deposition or trial transcript, if an utterance is unintelligible, it will read: "(unintelligible)"

The blanks after e.g. "Brandon," likely reflect a total non answer (and therefore no pause in the middle). It is left blank to show BD was given a chance to answer but was silent then the next question came. If questions come right on top of each other, they usually stay in the same paragraph.

If a witness gives a non-verbal answer, that is reflected on the record: "shakes head 'no'; "nods head up and down" etc.

Anyhow, I'm not laying down gospel, just an educated guess.
Thanks, and yes, all this is what I thought, based on experience and educated guesses, but then the following happened:



(That's actually a twofer because the red is the 2nd threat before BD incriminates himself)

The purple seems to be something BD clearly said, that fassbender clearly understood.

Then, shortly after:



This is the only time the (PAUSE) is used instead of the ellipses in this first interview, when clearly the interviewers were pausing all the time. ( somewhat funny the placement of the pause in context)

Also, there is a long ellipses that breaks up what clearly seems to be a flowing question: "Can you tell me some other things you saw?"

I considered speech-to-text software but that doesn't make hardly any sense.
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02-19-2016 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Oski, LITs, anybody, can you throw some feedback on my post below before I go HAM on this bitch:
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Originally Posted by Oski
ellipses appear to mean the same as "(pause)". In a deposition or trial transcript, if an utterance is unintelligible, it will read: "(unintelligible)"

The blanks after e.g. "Brandon," likely reflect a total non answer (and therefore no pause in the middle). It is left blank to show BD was given a chance to answer but was silent then the next question came. If questions come right on top of each other, they usually stay in the same paragraph.

If a witness gives a non-verbal answer, that is reflected on the record: "shakes head 'no'; "nods head up and down" etc.

Anyhow, I'm not laying down gospel, just an educated guess.
^^This.

Also in some earlier interviews on youtube in NOV BD actually tries to name a suspect & the SD cuts him off, just before that he say's someone is trying to set SA up.

I don't blame you 5ive for wanting to go ham on these interviews, the important ones are from NOV to MARCH were the CCSD gives BD a full detailed interpretation of the events they want to hear.

I am sure that you're about to pick these interviews with BD apart & provide us with you're take on it .
Another interesting point is that the CCSD had just finished trying to get Jodi to break/admit to something/anything that could implicate SA as a Physco.( AA good reason not to believe Jodi now ). then 1/2 days later BD was the target.
There was a statement I found on reddit(I know ) from BD teachers that said they would take BD back ASAP.
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02-19-2016 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Thanks, and yes, all this is what I thought, based on experience and educated guesses, but then the following happened:



(That's actually a twofer because the red is the 2nd threat before BD incriminates himself)

The purple seems to be something BD clearly said, that fassbender clearly understood.

Then, shortly after:



This is the only time the (PAUSE) is used instead of the ellipses in this first interview, when clearly the interviewers were pausing all the time. ( somewhat funny the placement of the pause in context)

Also, there is a long ellipses that breaks up what clearly seems to be a flowing question: "Can you tell me some other things you saw?"

I considered speech-to-text software but that doesn't make hardly any sense.
Yeah. A bit slow on things today - had a very long week (in court every day).

I see it now. I would agree it appears there was a redaction.

Also, just look at the first page - you don't even have to read it to see that something is wrong. What kind of "confession" consists of the investigator speaking 95% of the words?
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02-19-2016 , 12:56 AM
It's like the ellipses are being used for pauses AND for unintelligible speech AND redactions. This gets even more bizarre.
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02-19-2016 , 01:05 AM
Da transcripts appear to show that Brendan stated that the "big" bonfire consisted of garbage which i had previously mentioned. The denial of having a bonfire when it could have just been garbage burning which they did regularly is no big deal imo. My grandparents lived on a farm and burned garbage. If asked if they had a bonfire they would have been like "hell no".

I fully expect one of the trio to ask why he lied about the big bombfire again though within a few hundred posts.
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02-19-2016 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski
Yeah. A bit slow on things today - had a very long week (in court every day).

I see it now. I would agree it appears there was a redaction.


Also, just look at the first page - you don't even have to read it to see that something is wrong. What kind of "confession" consists of the investigator speaking 95% of the words?
It gets better:



So that exchange, laden with The Magical Ellipses, is not only THE FIRST time that BD incriminates himself but that ANYBODY has stated anything to match the story all over the news, of SA and his Bombfire Of Doom.

Ok.

Also note how easy it would be, considering the time of this interview, following the aforementioned news, for a defense to say the teenage imagination ran wild and imagined some burning toes. This is why simply "toes" wouldn't suffice to the interviewers.
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02-19-2016 , 01:24 AM
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Da transcripts appear to show that Brendan stated that the "big" bonfire consisted of garbage which i had previously mentioned. The denial of having a bonfire when it could have just been garbage burning which they did regularly is no big deal imo. My grandparents lived on a farm and burned garbage. If asked if they had a bonfire they would have been like "hell no".

I fully expect one of the trio to ask why he lied about the big bombfire again though within a few hundred posts.
First off Prana apologies for not name dropping you in that standing ovation post. You made some great posts lost in the noise, one of which was stating the above. Obv it didn't get a reply, but it seemed so ****ing obvious while reading the thread through.

At my old place we had a firepit in the backyard. My downstairs neighbor loved it and used it almost every night, sometimes a medium fire bust mostly a tiny fire where he would open flame grill meat. On occasion we'd have what would be called a bonfire and even that might not qualify as "big" in relative terms. One time an upstairs neighbor started a "big" bonfire and the Fire Dept was called, hilarity did not ensue.

Like, SA denied hosting the WI chapter of Burning Man so life in prison obv.
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02-19-2016 , 01:29 AM
I didn't break out The Red but there's also a veiled threat in that last post with the transcript image. That's 5-6 threats of bad stuff happening if BD doesn't tell 'the truth' or 'be honest', and we're not even close to the heart of it yet.
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02-19-2016 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
I didn't break out The Red but there's also a veiled threat in that last post with the transcript image. That's 5-6 threats of bad stuff happening if BD doesn't tell 'the truth' or 'be honest', and we're not even close to the heart of it yet.
F it, added it and some more purple arrows (cuz you can never have too many purple arrows):




The red is actually supervillainesque, saying 'ya don't worry bro you're more important than my appointment' but implying 'goddamit we will stay here all night if we have to'.
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02-19-2016 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
Da transcripts appear to show that Brendan stated that the "big" bonfire consisted of garbage which i had previously mentioned. The denial of having a bonfire when it could have just been garbage burning which they did regularly is no big deal imo. My grandparents lived on a farm and burned garbage. If asked if they had a bonfire they would have been like "hell no".

I fully expect one of the trio to ask why he lied about the big bombfire again though within a few hundred posts.
+1

Poorskillz has been hit more times ITT than......................




Spoiler:
Sorry 5ive
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02-19-2016 , 01:59 AM
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JFC how many times does lostinthesaus have to refute ALL these point you make..... For the umpteenth time BD NEW NOTHING ABOUT THOSE POINTS UNTIL EITHER THE MCSD OR THE ****ING NEWS HAD THIS INFO.
This is patently false. The bullet in the garage wasn't recovered until after his confession and the news or the police knew nothing of his bleached pants until he told them.
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02-19-2016 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Wait wat... Let's pause and backtrack.

I think you quoted the wrong post to reply to, I was asking to clarify the typo in that previous post. I wasn't asking about corroborated evidence.

It's totally easy to brainfart and type IS instead of ISN'T and vice versa, etc. I do it all the time, and sometimes it totally screws up the meaning. That's all I'm asking for you to clear up.

I'm not messing with you, this isn't some trick, just want to make sure what you wanted to say is what I think you wanted to say.
No there is no typo, he wasn't held for hours before he confessed and his confession is corroborated with evidence. Quit being disingenuous.
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