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02-17-2016 , 09:14 PM
I am not allowed to go into details but over the last couple of weeks I have came into contact with someone very closely related to this case and I am convinced with relative certainty that SA did rape the 15 year old girl and the crime would have been prosecuted and him convicted if it weren't for the murder charge.

I can also assure you that you guys will have more public information on this within the next few months.
02-17-2016 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911 Making a Murderer
Epeg is incapable of understanding how bias can be pushed through editing. He thinks as long as the clip shown actually happened then the documentary isnt being biased.


Kind of like when he said that people bad at watching the doc jumped to the conclusion about the police framing avery based on the reveal of the hole in the vial, when in actuallity Buting directly stated, with conviction, that this evidence points to a police officer withdrawing blood and planting it in the Rav4. He then double downed on the "so did it happen? Not biased"

I would disregard any comments from him regarding the way the documentary edited scenes to tell a story
Confirmed: A video editor once raped and murdered Custer's sister and burned her remains in a bombfire.
02-17-2016 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I am not allowed to go into details but over the last couple of weeks I have came into contact with someone very closely related to this case and I am convinced with relative certainty that SA did rape the 15 year old girl and the crime would have been prosecuted and him convicted if it weren't for the murder charge.

I can also assure you that you guys will have more public information on this within the next few months.
Are you using the Monitowac County Sheriff's definition of "relative certainty" here?
02-17-2016 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
In before Zellner is shown to be full of ****. I will just let results speak for themselves at this point.
State v. Steven A. Avery

Appeal Number 2015AP002489

Court of Appeals District 2

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PEND
CA
03-02-2016
Record
OCCD
CA
02-10-2016
Motion to Extend Time
Filed By: Lynn Zigmunt
Submit Date: 2-10-2016
Decision: (G) Grant
Decision Date: 2-16-2016
ORD that the time for the clerk to file the record in this case is extended to 3-2-2016. See Wis. Stat. Rules 809.15(4)(a) and 809.82(2)(a)(2013-14)
See REC event due on 3-2-2016
OCCD
CA
01-22-2016
Attorney address updated
Comment: Address changed for attorney: 3768 Thomas J. Fallon
OCCD
CA
01-21-2016
Motion for Pro Hac Vice status
Filed By: Tricia Bushnell
Submit Date: 1-22-2016
Decision: (G) Grant
Decision Date: 1-22-2016
ORD that the request to admit Attorneys Kathleen Zellner and Douglas Johnson pro hac vice is granted. The attorneys may appear in this court as counsel for the appellant.
FRO that sponsoring counsel, in this case Attorney Tricia J. Bushnell, must sign every document which is filed in this court.
FRO that no action is taken on the appellant's pro se motions.
Comment: Kathleen Zellner and Douglas Johnson
OCCD
CA
01-21-2016
Attorney Change
Comment: Attorney Tricia J. Bushnell for appellant pursuant to filing of Notice of Appearance
OCCD
CA
01-20-2016
Letter/Correspondence
Comment: from AAG Weber, enclosing copy of State's response to Avery's motion for release on bond pending appeal filed in TC
OCCD
CA
01-19-2016
Letter/Correspondence
Comment: copy; from CR Homiston to appellant, indicating she is unable to complete the statement on transcript/tanscript request because he did not provide any specific hearing dates
OCCD
CA
01-11-2016
Motion for Release on Bond
Filed By: Steven Avery
Submit Date: 1-11-2016
Decision: (N) No Action
Decision Date: 1-22-2016
ORD that the request to admit Attorneys Kathleen Zellner and Douglas Johnson pro hac vice is granted. The attorneys may appear in this court as counsel for the appellant.
FRO that sponsoring counsel, in this case Attorney Tricia J. Bushnell, must sign every document which is filed in this court.
FRO that no action is taken on the appellant's pro se motions.
OCCD
CA
01-11-2016
Motion for Relief
Filed By: Steven Avery
Submit Date: 1-11-2016
Decision: (N) No Action
Decision Date: 1-22-2016
ORD that the request to admit Attorneys Kathleen Zellner and Douglas Johnson pro hac vice is granted. The attorneys may appear in this court as counsel for the appellant.
FRO that sponsoring counsel, in this case Attorney Tricia J. Bushnell, must sign every document which is filed in this court.
FRO that no action is taken on the appellant's pro se motions.
OCCD
CA
01-11-2016
Other Papers
Comment: appellant provides copies of exhibits F, G, and H from circuit court record; placed in file
OCCD
CA
01-04-2016
Other Papers
Comment: appellant provides a copy of all documents filed in circuit court; placed in file
OCCD
CA
12-28-2015
Motion to Extend Time
Filed By: Lynn Zigmunt
Submit Date: 12-28-2015
Decision: (G) Grant
Decision Date: 1-5-2016
ORD that the time for the clerk to file the record in this case is extended to 2/11/16. Wis. Stat. Rules 809.15(4)(a) and 809.82(2)(a) (2013-14).
See REC event due on 2-11-2016
OCCD
CA
12-21-2015
Statement on Transcript
Filed By: Steven
Status Avery: Prev. Filed
Comment: statement indicates transcripts are necessary; lists items he wants in record, does not list any further transcripts; construed as statement that all necessary transcripts are on file in TC
OCCD
CA
12-14-2015
Motion for Miscellaneous Relief
Filed By: Lynn Zigmunt
Submit Date: 12-14-2015
Decision: (D) Deny
Decision Date: 12-15-2015
ORD that the appellant's motions for miscellaneous relief are denied.
FRO that the clerk of the circuit court's motion to extend the time to file the record is denied.
Comment: ext. time to file record
OCCD
CA
12-14-2015
Motion for Miscellaneous Relief
Filed By: Steven Avery
Submit Date: 12-14-2015
Decision: (D) Deny
Decision Date: 12-15-2015
ORD that the appellant's motions for miscellaneous relief are denied.
FRO that the clerk of the circuit court's motion to extend the time to file the record is denied.
Comment: Motion for change of venue [district]
OCCD
CA
12-09-2015
Motion for Miscellaneous Relief
Filed By: Steven Avery
Submit Date: 12-10-2015
Decision: (D) Deny
Decision Date: 12-15-2015
ORD that the appellant's motions for miscellaneous relief are denied.
FRO that the clerk of the circuit court's motion to extend the time to file the record is denied.
Comment: 3 judge panel, TC record be filed electronically
OCCD
CA
12-07-2015
Notif. Sent-Filing of NAP & Ct. Record
Comment: 12/9/15 - Amended as to county and service list.
OCCD
CA
12-07-2015
Indigency Forms Sent
Filed By: Unassigned District 2
Submit Date: 12-18-2015
Decision: (G) Grant
Decision Date: 12-18-2015
ORD filing fee waived.
Motion Response
Filed By: Steven Avery
Submit Date: 12-18-2015
OCCD
CA
12-07-2015
RAP and Guide Sent
OCCD
CA
12-07-2015
Notice of Appeal & Court Record
OCCD
CA
12-03-2015
Notice of Appeal filed in Cir. Ct.
OCCD
CA
11-23-2015
Order of Circuit Court
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[ZELLNER TWEET] Police reports: Others lie but cops turn a blind eye. "The killer (devil) is in the detail" #Eyeswideshut #MakingAMurderer
02-17-2016 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
I understand, and factoring in the cat doesn't dramatically shift the needle for me that much.

I guess it's worth noting too that I don't believe they downplayed this at all in the doc. They said there was a cat incident and said he went to jail for many months. This was decades ago and if you know even slightly how little the courts GAF about animal cruelty, especially then, you know it had to be some heinous ****.

What they didnt do was heavy-handedly beat you over the head with it, in the same way they didn't do the same with other aspects, which leads to the loltastic and ironic revelations that when we Took It To The Transcripts and Did Dat Research we see the police incompetence and corruption is actually much clearer than what was presented in the doc. It's almost like they were simply trying to... wait for it... document things.

Really, at this point I'm almost convinced Poorshillz and Failey are anti-shilling for "our side" with how fantastically it all backfired for them.

#TeamCat

Last edited by 5ive; 02-17-2016 at 09:30 PM. Reason: teamcat!
02-17-2016 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive Making a Murderer
Confirmed: A video editor once raped and murdered Custer's sister and burned her remains in a bombfire.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...hread-1588807/
02-17-2016 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I am not allowed to go into details but over the last couple of weeks I have came into contact with someone very closely related to this case
Man, are you for real?

@5ive, wait till you get to the part where I constantly pester Fraleyight for his purposes of being in this thread and whether or not he connections to anyone involved in the case. His response is a constant "No!"


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the crime would have been prosecuted and him convicted if it weren't for the murder charge.
LOL. Absolutely no doubt. Trust me, everyone ITT is with you on this one.

Last edited by lostinthesaus; 02-17-2016 at 10:14 PM.
02-17-2016 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer

LOL. Absolutely no doubt. Trust me, everyone ITT is with you on this one.
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Disclaimer: i AM NOT & Never would make fun of sexual abuse of any kind.
02-17-2016 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
In before Zellner is shown to be full of ****. I will just let results speak for themselves at this point.




02-17-2016 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer

I'll let you read from Kratz's closing statement:



#LOL
02-17-2016 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Man, are you for real?

@5ive, wait till you get to the part where I constantly pester Fraleyight for his purposes of being in this thread and whether or not he connections to anyone involved in the case. His response is a constant "No!"




LOL. Absolutely no doubt. Trust me, everyone ITT is with you on this one.
Do you think SA has ever sexually assaulted anyone?

I'm not asking if you think there's enough evidence to convict or anything like that but if you had to take your best educated guess, what would you say?
02-17-2016 , 10:50 PM
In the two years of his adult life while a free man? Or in Prison? Or both?
02-17-2016 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
In before Zellner is shown to be full of ****. I will just let results speak for themselves at this point.
If you haven't noticed, people's positions ITT have grown more and more absurd in attempts to show Steven should've been found not guilty as more information comes out causing them to change their views.

In the last posts I read of lostinsauce, before I just started ignoring his posts entirely, I think he was claiming some conspiracy that involved Colborn, Lenk, Culhane, Lebeau, Zipperer, and aliens.

Since it's been revealed that Steven initially denied having a fire, we literally now have people who claim Steven never had a fire that night - even though over half a dozen people, including Steven, said there was one.

It's called confirmation bias, and it's left us mainly with some crazy conspiratards and people who think they're too smart to need to do any outside research.


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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
I am not allowed to go into details but over the last couple of weeks I have came into contact with someone very closely related to this case and I am convinced with relative certainty that SA did rape the 15 year old girl and the crime would have been prosecuted and him convicted if it weren't for the murder charge.

I can also assure you that you guys will have more public information on this within the next few months.
If you haven't seen, among the evidence released yesterday, was a motion by the state to include 9 previous issues of misconduct (all were denied by the corrupt judge). In this document, along with the crimes he's been convicted of and a couple of other things, they ask to include evidence of: the rape you mention here, the rape of his ex-wife's friend in 1983, and the violence against Lori and Jodi.

There's also the Judgments of Conviction for his:

Burgalry - he did much more than just steal a couple cheese sandwiches.

Animal Cruelty - when the cat ran out of the fire, he continued to pour gasoline on it.

Endangerment and Firearm - the gun was found loaded and hidden under his child's bed (ironically, it's very possible he would have served more than 18 years on these charges alone if it weren't for the wrongful conviction).

Knowing all this, it's quite easy to see why the judge would say Steven might be the most dangerous man to set foot inside his courtroom.

It also further verifies what Michael Griesbach wrote in his book.

It also further shows Making a Murderer being disingenuous (they surely should have known about this motion and each of these incidents, but chose either not to include them or to downplay them by blaming the victim and by telling us the details from literally Steven's lying mouth).

But guess what: It also won't change a goddamn thing ITT.

People will say he wasn't charged, that the victims lied, that it's irrelevant, etc.

I guarantee that even if this girl came out with her story, most people ITT would still keep their same opinion (again, it's confirmation bias). They'd either attack her character (as people did with Jodi when she came out with her story) or claim it's irrelevant to the point the show was trying to tell - which was to expose the corruption of the justice system (ironically many of these same people are also the ones who completely discredit anything Griesbach writes or says because he wrote a "set of keys" rather than the single key that was found and he changed Jodi's name in his book to protect her privacy).


I guarantee they wouldn't care that Steven Avery raped his teenage relative.

Last edited by PoorSkillz; 02-17-2016 at 11:19 PM.
02-17-2016 , 11:22 PM
I keep checking in on this thread but I'm not sure why. None of the police conspiracy fans will ever change their mind. No amount of physical evidence or new information will change their mind. They are wedded to their theory and will call anyone who disagrees a troll.

Lostinthesauce simply ignores anything that conflicts with his theory, and labels anyone who says otherwise a liar. 5ive shows up and commences with his best 2nd-rate politard Fly impersonation by spewing semi-coherent, insulting, profanity-laden rants.

The insane thing is that you have a group of people all sharing unfounded speculative conspiracy theories, and they label anyone who focuses on facts, a troll. It's so bizarre that it keeps sucking me back in. I gotta give Poorskillz and Frayley props for continuing to bang their heads against a wall. FWIW those 2 and AngerP are pretty much the only people itt who have consistently made quality arguments.
02-17-2016 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
I keep checking in on this thread but I'm not sure why.
It's so bizarre that it keeps sucking me back in.
02-17-2016 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
I keep checking in on this thread but I'm not sure why. None of the police conspiracy fans will ever change their mind. No amount of physical evidence or new information will change their mind. They are wedded to their theory and will call anyone who disagrees a troll.

Lostinthesauce simply ignores anything that conflicts with his theory, and labels anyone who says otherwise a liar. 5ive shows up and commences with his best 2nd-rate politard Fly impersonation by spewing semi-coherent, insulting, profanity-laden rants.

The insane thing is that you have a group of people all sharing unfounded speculative conspiracy theories, and they label anyone who focuses on facts, a troll. It's so bizarre that it keeps sucking me back in. I gotta give Poorskillz and Frayley props for continuing to bang their heads against a wall. FWIW those 2 and AngerP are pretty much the only people itt who have consistently made quality arguments.
Thank you. I've posted it here before, but this video is so apt for how it feels to continue posting ITT from a position of logic and reason:




I don't know why I continue to come here either, but I know I would've stopped long ago if it weren't for people like you and fraley and anger, and a few others who have unfortunately already been trolled out of here.


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5ive shows up and commences with his best 2nd-rate politard Fly impersonation by spewing semi-coherent, insulting, profanity-laden rants.
...
I gotta give Poorskillz and Frayley props for continuing to bang their heads against a wall.
I'll be honest, this feature also makes it a bit easier to stick around:

02-17-2016 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
I gotta give Poorskillz and Frayley props for continuing to bang their heads against a wall. FWIW those 2 and AngerP are pretty much the only people itt who have consistently made quality arguments.
02-17-2016 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
In the two years of his adult life while a free man? Or in Prison? Or both?
I guess prison wasn't really what I was intending so I'll just specify any time other than prison
02-18-2016 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911 Making a Murderer
Next time dont type lololololool and then blatantly contradict your previous stances in this thread. Its a bad look

And lol at you not changing. You went from saying all yhe bias came from the prosecution denying to particpate to saying some and acting like you admitted there were other biases.
Another electron softly weeps as Custer mashes the keyboard and firmly clicks SEND.
02-18-2016 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
If you haven't noticed, people's positions ITT have grown more and more absurd in attempts to show Steven should've been found not guilty as more information comes out causing them to change their views.

In the last posts I read of lostinsauce, before I just started ignoring his posts entirely, I think he was claiming some conspiracy that involved Colborn, Lenk, Culhane, Lebeau, Zipperer, and aliens.


..,
It's not just putting these paragraphs back to back, it's doing so with such shamelessness.
02-18-2016 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
when the cat ran out of the fire, he continued to pour gasoline on it.
What? This is not true. Are you simply hoping no one will read what you posted here? It says nothing about continuing to pour gasoline on it.

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It also further verifies what Michael Griesbach wrote in his book.
You are a shameless shill.
02-18-2016 , 12:56 AM
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But guess what: It also won't change a goddamn thing ITT.

People will say he wasn't charged, that the victims lied, that it's irrelevant, etc.t, etc.
You mean they will continue to say he's innocent until proven guilty?

Yeah, I don't think you're going to get people to change their mindg about that no matter how many times you mention Griesbach's book. Sux, I know.
02-18-2016 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
What? This is not true. Are you simply hoping no one will read what you posted here? It says nothing about continuing to pour gasoline on it.



You are a shameless shill.

From the list of Steven's 9 dirty deeds:

"The defendant built a bonfire in his back yard, soaked a cat in gasoline and oil, and threw the cat in the fire. After the cat ran out of the fire, the defendant poured more gasoline on it before the animal died."
02-18-2016 , 01:03 AM
Too bad Poorshillz blocked me; he might've seen me agreeing about the cat. There's really not some OMG SUPR SECRT detail that can be worse than what I imagined in my mind.

Plus some doubleplusirony: Nobody here has presented any crazy theories, even though we could. My personal theory is the reason SA was not angry after the 18 years is because he knew deep in his cockles that whatever else, he was experiencing that old His Judgment Cometh retribution for what he did to that poor cat, and he vowed to never harm another man nor beast as long as he lived. This makes it even more unlikely he's guilty.

That's a crazy theory. See the difference?

I feel like those reddit links were presented to show the difference between wild speculating theories and what was being discussed here, not just because they were picked apart by TeamAvery. But alas, put something else on the pile of things that whooshed over people's heads.

#TeamCat
02-18-2016 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Man, are you for real?

@5ive, wait till you get to the part where I constantly pester Fraleyight for his purposes of being in this thread and whether or not he connections to anyone involved in the case. His response is a constant "No!"




LOL. Absolutely no doubt. Trust me, everyone ITT is with you on this one.
I can see the finish line, and I passed that part, assuming there isn't more to come.

Failey was all like, nah I don't have any connection, we just send emoji-laden chats on facebook to each other.

SA make me n
I cops
Think abt law make me
To the downtrodden masses yearning for justice, I say let them eat
Etc.

Maybe not the 4th one.

      
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