It definitely was a one-sided documentary so Im not really sure what to think about the verdict wrt to Steven. Would have been nice to see the other side. From just what was shown, I believe there was reasonable doubt that he was innocent.

The hole in the blood sample from 1985 is pretty incredible along with that cop knowing it was 99 Toyota prior to being told, finding the key in plain sight after searching the house for 5 days etc etc

I think it's very clear that Branden had 0 part to do in any of this and am absolutely shocked that he was ruled guilty by the jury. The whole case was based on his confession which the defense in Steven's case didnt even want to use because it was so flimsy. 0 DNA of his in the house seems pretty much impossible if he did it. These 2 have a combined IQ of prolly 120-130, and youre telling me they know how to scrape a house clean of ALL DNA, ain't no way without someone else being involved.

Plus if the place was scrubbed clean, they'd be able to tell, and they said that wasn't the case. So I just am absolutely baffled.

Yeah, I was totally expecting the Steven guilty verdict because there were still a bunch of eps and the jury was very likely to be biased. But the Brandon verdict totally shocked me, I couldn't believe it! Hopefully he will get out, otherwise his father is going to need a lot of tapes for Wrestlemania...

I'm hoping that a WM3 kind of thing happens here. At this point, I don't care if Steven did it but I'm infuriated that he was found guilty. And 10x's more so that Brendan was. When they showed him 3 years later, holy ****!! He was already inbred looking, but adding 30-40lbs of prison weight just made it so much worse.

And another thing that truly bothers me: The only thing that is known about her death is that Teresa was shot. Thats it. But with the coerced confession, that her family had to hear about over and over again, was that she was raped and tortured as well. As little evidence that there was to get the Steven/Brendan, there was even less that pointed to anything other then her being shot. The depth of this bull**** in this is a lot to take!

Seems like without Branden Dassey seemingly made up lie, the prosecutors didn't really have a "story" of how it all went down

I know ~nothing about law in general, but it would appear you need a narrative of what happened and how it happened. They started off saying that he shot her in the house, which they then changed to shot her in the garage, but her blood wasnt found anywhere in the garage either (except for the crushed bullet). And if he shot her in the garage why would you carry the body in her car and not drag her. Why was there no blood on the gun if he was shooting her in that enclosed space. As Thingy mentioned, they never seemed to talk about a motive for the killing either.

So Im just confused on how the prosecutors framed the story to make sense from any perspective. To me, it seems like the only way in which he did commit the crime was if he followed her (or got in her car) and they drove somewhere else, he shot her with his gun from a distance out in the woods somewhere, put her body back in the car and he drove back to his house where he burned the body in the bonfire

Other than the obviously coerced confession from the clearly ******ed kid

was that it seemed like the state/cops were somehow cleared of wrongdoing in the first case because of the second case, ****ing bull****!

B:What does inconsistent mean? Mom:uhhhhhhhhhh

That bonfire seems a bit suspect. Wouldn't be surprised if they just said "**** it, he's most likely guilty so let's just plant some evidence.

The legal system is clearly broken if you are attempting to get a retrial and it's the judge of the first trial that gets to decide yes or no. Just LOL

Another bit of evidence that seemed weird to me was how they said they found ONLY Stevens DNA on the key. Not Teresa's. The fact that they didn't find prints and only DNA makes it sound like BS. What did he sneeze at 5000 psi and blast all the DNA off the key.

I knew that Officer Lenk was full of it the first time he was shown. Then he is there for the second incident? How do these guys ever get near ANY of this case? That is ludicrous. I would have had to vote Not Guilty because there is definitely reasonable doubt that he did it.....to much doubt. Also, 7 of the jurors went in saying Not Guilty and they ALL changed? Insane! I definitely lean towards he is innocent, but I dont feel as clear cut as some. How is all this stuff on his property? They planted the body, car, key, blood, EVERYTHING? Seems insane, but from all the crazy stuff that went on with the first case he was innocent of, I definitely dont put it past these officers but that is so over the top. Maybe his time in prison changed him and he was a killer. Who knows for sure? And that is what drives me crazy. Id say I am 70/30 innocent/guilty. I am still running through my brain all that I saw and cant sort it all out. I cant believe its real life. Its insane. I think they should be let out though because there is definitely reasonable doubt and that was clear in BOTH trials. Great show.

So the list is:

• Car (with his blood marks)
• Bones in the fire pit and burn barrel
• Car Key (with his DNA, but no other DNA)
• Bullet with her blood on it

The first could have been planted at any time, close to the main road, some reports of seeing lights and a rumour of cops planting it there.

Second two planted in March many day long searches.

Fourth planted in the November search.

It doesn't seem toooooooo insane, or does it?

As he [Brendan] rode back to Steven Avery’s residence to deliver the letter, he passed a “burn barrel” and stopped to look inside. He saw a cellphone and a camera.

They also found “pornographic material” and “items of restraint,” including leg irons and handcuffs.

They returned to the garage and cleaned Teresa’s blood off the concrete floor with “gasoline, paint thinner, and bleach.” Avery noticed that his finger was bleeding and covered it with a Band-aid that he got from his trailer when he went inside for the bleach.

Later that evening when Brendan Dassey returned to his own home, his mother, Barb Janda, who is Steven Avery’s sister, noticed bleached-out splotches on her son’s jeans and asked how that had happened. Dassey told her that he had been helping his uncle clean the floor of his garage.

Ballistics tests linked the bullet to the .22 caliber rifle found hanging on the wall in Steven Avery’s bedroom.

State DNA expert Sherry Culhane testified that no traces of Teresa’s DNA were found on Dassey’s clothing, but she also pointed out that his clothes had extensive bleach stains as a result of the garage cleaning that Dassey and his uncle had performed.

Other possible suspects and motives.
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wkow/...e%2023%20+.pdf

They had the property locked down for over a week so they probably could have smuggled in a white rhino and got him on poaching charges if they wanted to.