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02-03-2016 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Some holes in his story...but this is the best theory I've heard in a while.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3zl9ym/does_anyone_else_find_it_strange_that_the/czlxpez
Good post. Here it is formatted since the reddit link is dead.

I know there is a lot of buzz about Colburn and what this person said and what time line is and so forth, but I have a problem with the entire RAV4 they found. There are many issues with it...


1. 1999 RAV4 was the only year that Toyota made two colors that are very close, one is dark green and the other is green blue. Teresa's vehicle was dark green yet the Crime Lab shows photo it is the greenish blue.

2. A broken blinker light with a replacement blinker that is laying in RAV4 in the cargo hold, yet Teresa's vehicle had no damage and according to the John the propane dealer who saw it drive away, states it looked shiny new with no damage.

3. The RAV4 they have found has been towed, which bent the frame.

4. The latest pic of Teresa holding her keys in front of her vehicle, notice the missing paint on the top of the passenger door? Well, the crime lab photo of the RAV4 they say is hers, is not missing paint in those places.

5. In yet another crime lab photo of the RAV4, it shows sever rust and damage to the passenger side where the two doors meet and we know this was not on Teresa's vehicle.

6. Her real keys are missing, and now we have a valet key? Is it because the real key would not start the duplicate RAV4?

7. Its known as a Salvage Yard Scam to switch VIN on two vehicles to sell a stole vehicle. Was a switch made on the Vehicles in order to hide the real murder scene and that explains where all the blood is?

8. The battery cable was disconnected, it is standard to disconnect the negative battery cable to tow a vehicle. Why tow it if you can drive it, unless you can't because its so damaged that it would draw unwanted traffic police attention.

9. The blood in the back of the RAV4, there should have been much more unless her heart came to rest prior to being placed there. It would suggest this was post mortem.

10. Her license plate was not attached to her vehicle and found crumpled up in the trunk of another vehicle. Is this because to transfer the plates on to the duplicate, would have made fresh metal scratches and drawn even more suspicion?



So now let me ask you this, Who would have a means to....


1. Incinerate a body at 1700 degrees to produce just bones

2. Tow a vehicle with out showing records of such

3. Crush Teresa's real RAV4 to hide the actual murder scene

4. Have access to planting Steven's blood

5. Have the know how and ability to switch VIN's so easily

6. Locate a replacement RAV4 on quick notice

7. Have the inside knowledge of how to stage a crime scene

8. Have a questionable past issue with the truth

9. Have not one but three motives



I want you to look at the list.

1. We know that Mark Fassbender investigated Avery's incinerator, it was not used for months.

2. Why would Steven tow the vehicle?

3. If Steven did it why not crush the vehicle with her body in it and bury it somewhere

4. Steven admitted early on and has always stated that he leaded his palms onto Teresa's vehicle and that's why they may find his palm prints on her RAV4, yet no prints, NONE, not even the girl that drove this car for 2 years are found?

5. The switching of VIN numbers is called "SALVAGE Yard Scam"

6. A car dealer would, especially one that had been in the business of Auto Sales his entire life.

7. Someone in Law Enforcement

8. Someone that had lied for 18 years, keeping an innocent man in prison and allowing a rapist to roam freely.

9. First motive, Rival Business. Second, Revenge. Third, $36,000,000.00

Who would have an incinerator, a tow truck, a crusher, replacement vehicle with no prints and no real evidence to link the real murderer, VIN switching knowledge, access to your own pick of vehicles and contacts in the Auto business, High rank individual beyond questioning, Manitowoc County Sheriff.

Guess what, he is the President of Cleveland Auto Sales and Salvage. He was a deputy in 1985, he was the undersheriff in 2005 and is now the Sheriff of Manitowoc County Police Department.
He and he alone fits all that would be needed to fulfill the requirements for this type of accident and he is the one saying all over, that Netflix is taking things out of context and out of order, and says that's how its done to keep every one confused. He is saying this in my opinion because He himself is the one that did this and so he knows how it works.

Just saying, don't get distracted. Focus on what a killer would need to accomplish the tasks. That is how you find the real killer.

Know as a Salvage Yard VIN Scam http://www.vinetching.com/vin-switching.html

Also http://cleveland-auto-sales-salvage....-sales-salvage

Friday, February 16, 2007 An anonymous letter and 970 items of evidence Buting said he found a letter last fall in the Calumet County file on the case, and said it was found in the Green Bay post office after Halbach disappeared. The letter allegedly said "body burned in smelter, 3 a.m. Friday," and Buting took that to mean an old smelter near an old Avery salvage building. He said police did nothing with the letter, and did not send it to the crime lab for analysis until he asked. "Is that because a body being burned in a smelter doesn't fit your theory?" Buting asked. Fassbender said the smelter had been examined by arson investigators and "it hadn't been used for a while." "It would not make sense to burn the bones in the smelter and take the bones and place them in your own backyard, would it?" Buting asked.
(No one ever check the Sheriff's Incinerator at his Salvage Yard but this seems to be very much what the letter could be referring to.)
02-03-2016 , 04:10 AM
Saus, that theory is amazing!!
02-03-2016 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SimplyRavishing Making a Murderer
Saus, that theory is amazing!!
How would he have known TH would be st SA'S and even still be able to pull that off with no witnesses? Seems very dubious.

I think if anything, you slide that theory in with the "concurrent framing" theory and it works better.

I thought TH wasn't even sure she could make it to SA and only confirmed at about 1:30 that day (which also works against Kranz' theory SA lured her there).
02-03-2016 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
How would he have known TH would be st SA'S and even still be able to pull that off with no witnesses? Seems very dubious.

I think if anything, you slide that theory in with the "concurrent framing" theory and it works better.

I thought TH wasn't even sure she could make it to SA and only confirmed at about 1:30 that day (which also works against Kranz' theory SA lured her there).
I dunno, it's hard for me to wrap my tiny little brain around all of it.

But, if it turns out not to even be her car, then that's huge.

Whoever wrote that post copied and pasted it like 5-6 times, and then the link from Saus went to some other page.. Wonder if it's spam or something.
02-03-2016 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Some holes in his story...but this is the best theory I've heard in a while.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3zl9ym/does_anyone_else_find_it_strange_that_the/czlxpez

I know there is a lot of buzz about Colburn and what this person said and what time line is and so forth, but I have a problem with the entire RAV4 they found. There are many issues with it... 1. 1999 RAV4 was the only year that Toyota made two colors that are very close, one is dark green and the other is green blue. Teresa's vehicle was dark green yet the Crime Lab shows photo it is the greenish blue. 2. A broken blinker light with a replacement blinker that is laying in RAV4 in the cargo hold, yet Teresa's vehicle had no damage and according to the John the propane dealer who saw it drive away, states it looked shiny new with no damage. 3. The RAV4 they have found has been towed, which bent the frame. 4. The latest pic of Teresa holding her keys in front of her vehicle, notice the missing paint on the top of the passenger door? Well, the crime lab photo of the RAV4 they say is hers, is not missing paint in those places. 5. In yet another crime lab photo of the RAV4, it shows sever rust and damage to the passenger side where the two doors meet and we know this was not on Teresa's vehicle. 6. Her real keys are missing, and now we have a valet key? Is it because the real key would not start the duplicate RAV4? 7. Its known as a Salvage Yard Scam to switch VIN on two vehicles to sell a stole vehicle. Was a switch made on the Vehicles in order to hide the real murder scene and that explains where all the blood is? 8. The battery cable was disconnected, it is standard to disconnect the negative battery cable to tow a vehicle. Why tow it if you can drive it, unless you can't because its so damaged that it would draw unwanted traffic police attention. 9. The blood in the back of the RAV4, there should have been much more unless her heart came to rest prior to being placed there. It would suggest this was post mortem. 10. Her license plate was not attached to her vehicle and found crumpled up in the trunk of another vehicle. Is this because to transfer the plates on to the duplicate, would have made fresh metal scratches and drawn even more suspicion?
So now let me ask you this, Who would have a means to.... 1. Incinerate a body at 1700 degrees to produce just bones 2. Tow a vehicle with out showing records of such 3. Crush Teresa's real RAV4 to hide the actual murder scene 4. Have access to planting Steven's blood 5. Have the know how and ability to switch VIN's so easily 6. Locate a replacement RAV4 on quick notice 7. Have the inside knowledge of how to stage a crime scene 8. Have a questionable past issue with the truth 9. Have not one but three motives
I want you to look at the list. 1. We know that Mark Fassbender investigated Avery's incinerator, it was not used for months. 2. Why would Steven tow the vehicle? 3. If Steven did it why not crush the vehicle with her body in it and bury it somewhere 4. Steven admitted early on and has always stated that he leaded his palms onto Teresa's vehicle and that's why they may find his palm prints on her RAV4, yet no prints, NONE, not even the girl that drove this car for 2 years are found? 5. The switching of VIN numbers is called "SALVAGE Yard Scam" 6. A car dealer would, especially one that had been in the business of Auto Sales his entire life. 7. Someone in Law Enforcement 8. Someone that had lied for 18 years, keeping an innocent man in prison and allowing a rapist to roam freely. 9. First motive, Rival Business. Second, Revenge. Third, $36,000,000.00
Who would have an incinerator, a tow truck, a crusher, replacement vehicle with no prints and no real evidence to link the real murderer, VIN switching knowledge, access to your own pick of vehicles and contacts in the Auto business, High rank individual beyond questioning, Manitowoc County Sheriff.
Guess what, he is the President of Cleveland Auto Sales and Salvage. He was a deputy in 1985, he was the undersheriff in 2005 and is now the Sheriff of Manitowoc County Police Department.
He and he alone fits all that would be needed to fulfill the requirements for this type of accident and he is the one saying all over, that Netflix is taking things out of context and out of order, and says that's how its done to keep every one confused. He is saying this in my opinion because He himself is the one that did this and so he knows how it works.
Just saying, don't get distracted. Focus on what a killer would need to accomplish the tasks. That is how you find the real killer.
Know as a Salvage Yard VIN Scam http://www.vinetching.com/vin-switching.html
Also http://cleveland-auto-sales-salvage....-sales-salvage
Friday, February 16, 2007 An anonymous letter and 970 items of evidence Buting said he found a letter last fall in the Calumet County file on the case, and said it was found in the Green Bay post office after Halbach disappeared. The letter allegedly said "body burned in smelter, 3 a.m. Friday," and Buting took that to mean an old smelter near an old Avery salvage building. He said police did nothing with the letter, and did not send it to the crime lab for analysis until he asked. "Is that because a body being burned in a smelter doesn't fit your theory?" Buting asked. Fassbender said the smelter had been examined by arson investigators and "it hadn't been used for a while." "It would not make sense to burn the bones in the smelter and take the bones and place them in your own backyard, would it?" Buting asked.
(No one ever check the Sheriff's Incinerator at his Salvage Yard but this seems to be very much what the letter could be referring to.)
Yup. Add to that that the bones were scattered 30 ft apart, No Photo's or/of Location of said bones plus the extent to which they were burned(maybe Ms Z got something on this) & in 2 other area's.

Defo think Sheriff Peterson was involved with AC at initial crime scene/cover up.

Still don't know who killed TH, don.t know if we ever will.

The Guys defo onto something, because in a county that small SA was imo under surveillence.

Last edited by smacc25; 02-03-2016 at 04:43 AM.
02-03-2016 , 04:34 AM
What do you all think of the Innocence project withdrawing their support for Avery after that cheesy confession from Brendan? Seems like they don't have much backbone.

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I've been looking at the different pictures of the Rav4, and it does seem to have a different tone.. Hers being greener, and the one in evidence being bluer. Toyota should be getting a call soon about the specifics of Theresa's car.
02-03-2016 , 04:36 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...ficate_issued/

Teresa Halbach's Death Certificate.

Pronounced dead at 4:10 pm Nov. 5, 2005

Funeral Home Licensee signature date: Nov. 10, 2005

Signed and stamped by coroner Dec. 6, 2005

Cause of death "undetermined" but then struck through.

Thoughts?
02-03-2016 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SimplyRavishing Making a Murderer
What do you all think of the Innocence project withdrawing their support for Avery after that cheesy confession from Brendan? Seems like they don't have much backbone.

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I've been looking at the different pictures of the Rav4, and it does seem to have a different tone.. Hers being greener, and the one in evidence being bluer. Toyota should be getting a call soon about the specifics of Theresa's car.
I think they need public to finance them and when the media blasted brendan story it was a huge liability for them.
02-03-2016 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
How would he have known TH would be st SA'S and even still be able to pull that off with no witnesses? Seems very dubious.

I think if anything, you slide that theory in with the "concurrent framing" theory and it works better.

I thought TH wasn't even sure she could make it to SA and only confirmed at about 1:30 that day (which also works against Kranz' theory SA lured her there).
This was at least her 6th visit to SA's house, if not more. It's completely believable to me that they had his phones tapped since the moment the lawsuit was launched, specifically to look for anything that could get that suit tossed.

When Steve turned out to be nothing but a happy-go-lucky bro living out his life for 2 years and they realized they were going to be facing that case, they literally and figuratively pulled the trigger on the TH plan.

(IMO)
02-03-2016 , 05:03 AM
Has this drawn interest from people in other countries?
02-03-2016 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
This was at least her 6th visit to SA's house, if not more. It's completely believable to me that they had his phones tapped since the moment the lawsuit was launched, specifically to look for anything that could get that suit tossed.

When Steve turned out to be nothing but a happy-go-lucky bro living out his life for 2 years and they realized they were going to be facing that case, they literally and figuratively pulled the trigger on the TH plan.

(IMO)


So the call from colborn was from some auto repair sales type shop and when he says 99 toyota its to double check, don't want wrong year.

Also who got jodi held in the night of 31st OCT from her AA meet? If it was not for something she done it adds to a theory.

And a great find by lostinthesaus there on the, death certificate. WOW.
why so soon?
why no cause?
02-03-2016 , 07:10 AM
that s in line with the brother knowing she was dead when she was only missing.
definitly some weird stuff(no i m not saying the brother is behind it)
02-03-2016 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Some holes in his story...but this is the best theory I've heard in a while.
Lol this sums up why Steven is going nowhere.
02-03-2016 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
There is a reason we have a trial system. Everything you are looking at now is through the lens of a trial thay appears to have been severely compromised.

Let's see if SA is going to get a fair trail before we consider if he's really guilty
There's a reason we have trial transcripts.

Let's see if SA had an unfair trial in the first place before crying about a new one.

There's a reason we laugh at you.
02-03-2016 , 08:41 AM
Pretty sure roommate/brother/ex/friends/family/coworkers would know her vehicle and know that colour is slightly off if not hers
02-03-2016 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by housenuts Making a Murderer
Pretty sure roommate/brother/ex/friends/family/coworkers would know her vehicle and know that colour is slightly off if not hers
I doubt that, but the dealer that sold the car to her should know.
02-03-2016 , 08:52 AM
Car wasn't where it was found on night of Oct 31. Take it for what it's worth...

http://www.accesshollywood.com/video...ver-interview/
02-03-2016 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
I challenge you to provide a single instance where I state or imply that I hold the opinion SA did not kill TH. Understand, that my belief that the state did not meet their burden is not me saying I believe SA did not kill her.

So, put up or shut up.
I was referring to the fact your stance is obvious.

But keep playing the pretentious high road person in the middle. Working out well for you.
02-03-2016 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by housenuts Making a Murderer
Car wasn't where it was found on night of Oct 31. Take it for what it's worth...

http://www.accesshollywood.com/video...ver-interview/
Niece is surprisingly decent looking.
02-03-2016 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SimplyRavishing Making a Murderer
I doubt that, but the dealer that sold the car to her should know.
I would be surprised if it was anything but a ****ty picture problem. I remember noticing some color variations right away and thought the lightning + différents caméra + potential filters was the issue.
02-03-2016 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Oski Making a Murderer
This is why you are an idiot. The other poster chided you for demanding an apology after I posted to you.



You posted the above as if he stated the sequence incorrectly, when he actually did. Now, to make things worse for you, you substitute an unrelated post. You have some mental issues because now you are just arguing over nothing and demanding apologies for people "misunderstanding" or "misrepresenting" your idiocy.



The problem is you. If you want an apology, I suggest you look in the mirror and apologize.

I did notice this instantly when he replied to me but it set me on auto massive tilt so decided was best to just shut down 2+2 for a bit.
02-03-2016 , 09:10 AM
I prefer this theory - it has a few holes, but it's the best one that points to Steven's innocence.

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As i'm sure all of you have, I too have devoted a significant portion of my life these past few weeks to solving this great mystery that's been presented to us. I've spent countless hours watching and re-watching MaM, thinking really, really...really hard, considering every single possible scenario, eliminating all impossible ones (Steven is a rapist murderer with a history of violence against women). I've looked at the data and ran the numbers, expeditiously ascertaining they don't add up. There is something more, something missing. Like most of you, or anyone with a brain, have already figured out, Steven and Brenden are not only innocent, but victims of a laughably obvious framing (why else would it be called "Making a Murderer"??). As seekers of truth (truthers), we have a moral responsibility not only to help Steven Avery and Brenden Dassey, but all mankind. If we smell something fishy, rest assured there is a fish nearby, stealthily avoiding detection. Armed with nothing more than our innately superior instincts and vast internet searching capabilities, we see through the lies the government so vehemently wants to shove down our throats. Coupled with the help of a documentary, there is no stopping us.

I will now present my theory. Poring through the evidence (MaM episdoes) this past week, something occurred to me. Everyone seems to be focusing on the police and FBI or Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych. Reasonable places to start, considering they have more than enough reason to want Steven in jail. But as I thought harder, I realized all these people had a common trait, they were all...people, human beings. In fact, I learned that everyone we've identified as the potential framer was, a human being. That's when it hit me like a life sentence. I asked myself, who would absolutely no one suspect? Who knows the avery yard like no one else? Who knows Steven's routines better than anyone else? There is but one answer: Bear, Steven Avery's dog. Bear was the only family member to never have been questioned by police, despite actually living outside in the yard. It is clear now that what was interpreted as aggressive, hostile barking was actually Bear trying to draw attention to the fire pit, which would inevitably lead to the police thinking Steven did the crime. Bear had been the center of attention in the Avery family for years, until the day Steven was released from prison. On that day, Steven became the "good boy", not Bear. On that day, Bear began to formulate his devious plan.

I know what you're all thinking, "how could I have been so blind, so near-sighted?", but now is not the time for retrospection. Now is the time to act, the only way we know how: petitions. With enough signed petitions we can have Bear impounded, polygraphed and Steven and Brenden freed from prison, in accordance with the "opinion of the majority" law. But we must act quickly, lest Bear decides to leg it, realizing he can survive as an apex predator in the wild. For those of you who are not convinced (unlikely), here is a candid photo of Bear atop the burn pit looking undeniably culpable.
02-03-2016 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CCuster_911 Making a Murderer
I was referring to the fact your stance is obvious.

But keep playing the pretentious high road person in the middle. Working out well for you.
His stance is that the trial and investigation are awefull and Noone can state wether avery or someone else is guilty. Avery could have done it but the prosecussion theory makes absolutly no sense.
People saying avery absolutly didn't do it are as rare as the 100% convinced morrons in here
02-03-2016 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Oski and others, have you seen Loose Change? Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?

Countdown to ... "That's what Hitler would say"...
02-03-2016 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by eddymitchel Making a Murderer
His stance is that the trial and investigation are awefull and Noone can state wether avery or someone else is guilty. Avery could have done it but the prosecussion theory makes absolutly no sense.
People saying avery absolutly didn't do it are as rare as the 100% convinced morrons in here
Except you only called one group morons.


I understand what he claims. But his belief is obvious through his exchanges. Just because you never say it doesn't make it true.

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