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01-31-2016 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by luckproof
cool thx first one was pretty good
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01-31-2016 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
No that's not the conclusion. TH's DNA was on the bullet found in SA's garage.

They had what 89 contaminations out of some 50k tests? You do realize these are human beings not machines.

FWIW she's the same person who conducted the test that exonerated SA the first time. And she had to use the entire sample in that case also. She testified that had the control sample been similarly contaminated with her own DNA in that instance, she would have filed the same deviation request, for the same reason... because the actual evidence sample was not contaminated, and because she had no more sample to conduct another test.

Let's say she had more of the original sample from the bullet, so that she could re-do the test from the beginning. Do you think TH's DNA would no longer be found on the bullet? If you think so, you have a serious misunderstanding of exactly what happened.
Look, I'm not really in the Avery is innocent camp, but Jesus. If they are contaminating one test, how can you trust the others? She contaminated the control. That is as negligent as it gets. Nothing can be trusted out of that lab.
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01-31-2016 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
So whatever happened to the Keith Morrison, Investigation Discovery epic MaM counter?

Fraleyight?
Dateline just did a special on friday that was neutral and ID did theirs from the states pov last night. it re airs on monday.
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01-31-2016 , 03:51 PM
Does anyone know exactly how Sherry got permission to deviate from protocol? I think it's in the transcripts somewhere and I would be willing to guess it's going to be a less than satisfactory answer. BRB


Edit: Welp, here's the deviation from protocol that approved the deviation from protocol.



lol

Edit to Edit: #leftoutofMaM

Last edited by lostinthesaus; 01-31-2016 at 03:57 PM.
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01-31-2016 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Dateline just did a special on friday that was neutral and ID did theirs from the states pov last night. it re airs on monday.
Did you watch?
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01-31-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by pokeraz
Look, I'm not really in the Avery is innocent camp, but Jesus. If they are contaminating one test, how can you trust the others? She contaminated the control. That is as negligent as it gets. Nothing can be trusted out of that lab.
No. If contamination happens they re-run the test, or call it inconclusive. They don't just randomly contaminate tests and ignore it.

IF the contamination happens (89 times out of 50K) and IF there is no more sample to test and IF the contamination is not of the actual evidence and IF the source of the contamination of the control is easily identified (in this case the lab tech doing the test) - THEN they can apply for a deviation from protocol.

All those conditions rarely happen but these are human beings doing the testing, and the tests are exceedingly sensitive, so yes it can happen. They are not infallible.

LOL at saying you can't trust any of the DNA results from this lab because contamination happened some tiny percentage of the time, just ridiculous. You may as well say courts can no longer use DNA evidence - the contamination happens in every lab some small percentage of the time.
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01-31-2016 , 03:58 PM
The protocol for filing for an exception was to put out a form, have it be peer reviewed, and then approved by a supervisor
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01-31-2016 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by luckproof
Thanks.
Luckproof Have you listened to this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_EAI2JbUI
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01-31-2016 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
The protocol for filing for an exception was to put out a form, have it be peer reviewed, and then approved by a supervisor
You're missing a step.
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01-31-2016 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
Does anyone know exactly how Sherry got permission to deviate from protocol? I think it's in the transcripts somewhere and I would be willing to guess it's going to be a less than satisfactory answer. BRB


Edit: Welp, here's the deviation from protocol that approved the deviation from protocol.



lol

Edit to Edit: #leftoutofMaM
A wise supervisor, I wonder how that discussion went.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkYmmV7Oa-U
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01-31-2016 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
Regarding the bolded, I'll assume you have some way of actually knowing that TH's blood found on the bullet was not through contamination.
Not to be a nit but TH's blood was not found on the bullet. Sherry claims she could tell there so little DNA on the bullet just by looking at it that she did not run any other tests (i.e. for the presence of blood) as it would render the DNA test useless because she could tell immediately by looking at it that there was so little DNA that it needed to go straight into the amplifier.



Which by the way is exactly the same method she used for the key. Not test for blood just straight for the DNA and into the amplifier.
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01-31-2016 , 04:23 PM
I watched the ID special and it was neutral if not in favor of Steve/Brendan. Plenty of strang in it(along with kratz).

Editor cleverly snuck Kratz's "One person responsible" line in.
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01-31-2016 , 04:28 PM
I said blood but meant DNA.
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01-31-2016 , 04:31 PM
Ohh My, So no DNA testing by the FBI on the bones.

http://imgur.com/a/MEvKj

Or for that matter any Photo's of the bones in SA pit, barrel or quarry.
Yeah Ms Zellner has every right to feel confident.

Plus No treads of Rav4 on the SA property or in the quarry. No tread marks in the quarry is terrible police work at best.

Last edited by smacc25; 01-31-2016 at 04:37 PM.
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01-31-2016 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
Obviously best quote of the document.

WTF??? They tried to just close the case and dropped all counts against Kratz until a reporter broke the story and they were forced to do something. Then further allegations of forcing sex on women that he had prosecuted in the past by threatening them. His punishment? 6 months of vacation. Un-real. Van Hollen deserves some sleuthing IMO.
Warning this link may contain a conflict of interest.
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail...nt=14&offset=6

Last edited by smacc25; 01-31-2016 at 05:03 PM.
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01-31-2016 , 06:16 PM
Lost,

I watched the dateline special, not ID yet. But I will watch it tomorrow when it re airs.
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01-31-2016 , 07:33 PM
so fraeyight are you from Wisconsin?
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01-31-2016 , 07:39 PM
I am.
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01-31-2016 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DrawNone
so fraeyight are you from Wisconsin?
Negative, thanks for playing.
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01-31-2016 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Negative, thanks for playing.
Yup GG WP & all that Jazzz....... I would hope you to post the article or paper your writing.
The least you could do is send a few $ to avery/dassy fund.
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01-31-2016 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
Why would Lenk lie about the time he arrived on scene of there wasn't something to hide about what time he arrived on scene?

couldn't think of it.
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01-31-2016 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Negative, thanks for playing.
You seem so satisfied with yourself with this response. Guessing a neighboring state like Iowa.
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01-31-2016 , 08:27 PM
This isn't the Carmen Sandiego thread.
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01-31-2016 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
Thanks.
Luckproof Have you listened to this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_EAI2JbUI
Yeah it was ok. He's a little too deep in the SA innocence camp for me.
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