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01-27-2016 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Right,

Honestly what Lenk did would if anything, help avery's case in 2003. Nothing he did put avery in prison in 1985 and nothing he did after that kept him there.
WRONG you are just wrong because LENK knew about the PHONE CALL in 1995-8yrs before 2003 & DID NOTHING ABOUT IT, Colborn, Lenk & the DA all testified that this was TRUE(in 1995), they all new about SA innocence in 1995.

So SA's civil lawyers have said yes they was a strong chance that LENK was going to be added.


JUST stop with your B.S. unless you are in fact SA civil attorney.
01-27-2016 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz Making a Murderer
Only Teresa's DNA was found on the bullets.
By Sherry(Burp!!! Excuse me) Culhane, that she used up so as no-one else could test it. LOL but it ain't funny.
And since the defense asked for a witness to be present for them the prosecution refused.
But she allowed wait for it NOT 1 BUT 2 members of staff to observe her wonderful work procedures, IN the biggest case she had ever been involved in.(the 2nd biggest case she was involved in was SA 1St trial, that she also got wrong,remember the pubic HAIR).

But no worries Sherry(Burp!!! Excuse me) Culhane wrote down what that nice detective told her to do"PUT THE BULLET FRAGMENT IN THE HOUSE OR GARAGE". NOW THIS ALONE SHOULD GET SA A NEW TRIAL IMO.

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01-27-2016 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
He visited avery because that was the last known person to see her.
HOW DID HE KNOW THIS INFORMATION WHEN AUTO TRADER DID NOT KNOW THIS INFORMATION.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
01-27-2016 , 04:01 PM
All I can say is if PoorSkillz is ever on trial, and the DNA test used against him (or her, I don't know) comes back with a contaminated control, I bet he won't be so cavalier about a contaminated control then.

What else do we know about the contaminated control? Oh yeah, the fact that protocol was broken to submit it as a positive hit and this was not initially reported. That's a huge red flag right there. Classic tactic we've seen from the likes of Stefanoni and Duane Deaver before.

I'm not necessarily in the Avery is innocent camp. I straight up don't have a strong opinion one way or the other regarding a belief in factual innocence or guilt. Should he have been treated as a suspect? Absolutely. Should others have as well? Absolutely. Did Avery get a fair trail? Absolutely not.
01-27-2016 , 04:51 PM
Real Crime Profile Podcast with Jim Clemente & Laura Richards

https://soundcloud.com/real-crime-pr...file-episode-1

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01-27-2016 , 05:53 PM
The confirmation bias is the real problem with that test.

I mean their whole case is so ****ing circular its crazy. None of the evidence is independent of their crazy theory. Weird huh?
01-27-2016 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman Making a Murderer
The problem is if the police used standard operations and best procedures almost none of these questions would exist. However since they failed to do pretty much anything within the guidelines of acceptable investigating all we are left with is it was a set-up and/or gross negligence. In either case which so much of the investigation managed so absurdly that alone is enough to raise reasonable doubt on the whole case.

It is not like they made one oversight. They made mistakes or did things improperly almost consistently from start to finish. How anyone can think anyone deserves to be convicted when law enforcement screws up the investigation from the very beginning to the very end is beyond me.

People who don't see that as an overwhelming issue towards reasonable doubt doesn't understand reasonable doubt. There are reasons almost all police departments have strict rules on how they handle crime scenes, evidence, investigations and conflicts of interest. Two counties, two prosecutors and the State of Wisconsin failed to meet these minimum standards over and over and over again. Unfortunately being a tiny jurisdiction with no real oversight they were ripe to just do whatever they wanted without repercussions. They didn't follow their own policies because they never did because they did not have to because who was going to call them on it? The creepy prosecutor or the single horrible judge who appears to be the only one who can try cases in that part of the state.

The prosecution loses the second that mantiwoc inserts and dominates the investigation. Especially after they publically announced that would not happen., there still has not been a reasonable explanation by anyone as to why calumet county or the state authorities could not handled the entire investigation. The reason why it didn't happen is because they have been doing whatever they wanted forever with no consequence.
Pretty much this 100%.

Now on top of this add the fact that the actual evidence that was "collected" during the egregiously managed investigation is flawed/tainted to a degree that A) has a high probability of being invalidated forensically, B) had extremely questionable science applied to it C) literally should not have been submitted due to the Crime Lab's own policies. So even if Calumet alone had found this physical evidence, the defense could still present a very, very valid case for reasonable doubt based.

Additionally, the motivation for Law Enforcement to exact this level of corruption specifically and exactly on Steven Avery has to unprecedented. It's my personal belief that had depositions continued there would have been grounds for further investigations into the conduct of the entire MC Law Enforcement - perhaps much more serious than a simple insurer's investigation to determine policy coverage.
01-27-2016 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
WRONG you are just wrong because LENK knew about the PHONE CALL in 1995-8yrs before 2003 & DID NOTHING ABOUT IT, Colborn, Lenk & the DA all testified that this was TRUE(in 1995), they all new about SA innocence in 1995.

So SA's civil lawyers have said yes they was a strong chance that LENK was going to be added.


JUST stop with your B.S. unless you are in fact SA civil attorney.
I've already posted Lenks testimony to demonstrate he did not know of the 1995 call. Colborns supervisor at the time (one of the defendants listed in the civil suit) knew but that was not Lenk in 1995. Lenk was not informed of the call until avery was exonerated.
01-27-2016 , 06:12 PM
Lenk testified to this and was not challenged in cross examination. Lenk did not know of the phone call until 2003
01-27-2016 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004 Making a Murderer
I think the brothers inclusion was simple. It shows the way that the family of the victims feel towards somebody when the police say "we found the guy" without sufficient evidence towards that statement. We see the same thing in Paradise Lost, where rhe victims families talk about hoping the WM3 go to prison, otherwise the families would murder the suspects themselves.

It's basically a microcosm of how the community at large reacts to the case once the police say "we have our guy" before a trial takes place. It shows how poisoning the well can affect the trial.
Yep, this is spot on. Judging by the way Peterson, Kusch, Cachinsky, Hazlewood, O'Kelly talk about Avery (all the Avery's and Dassey's for that matter) AFTER his DNA exoneration, it's totally conceivable that the Halbach's were informed from the very beginning that once again, "they had their man" and he is "truly where the devil resides in comfort". I would go so far as to guess that bro and ex-bf shady behaviour was due to the fact that they themselves may have done some things outside of protocol in order to secure an Avery conviction all the while believing that they were actually doing something righteous. This is pure conjecture obv.
01-27-2016 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
HOW DID HE KNOW THIS INFORMATION WHEN AUTO TRADER DID NOT KNOW THIS INFORMATION.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
Considering TH called her boss and told him she was 10 mins away from avery's house.. I would say they did know.
01-27-2016 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Considering TH called her boss and told him she was 10 mins away from avery's house.. I would say they did know.
Colborn was actually initially looking to talk with Charles on Nov 3 before Steven came up to him.

According to Colborn's testimony:

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Again, I knew that Earl Avery, who was probably the person that I have had the most contact with or know the best, doesn't live on the Avery Auto Salvage property, so my initial -- what I was initially trying to do was to make contact with Charles Avery, who does reside on there.

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I got -- I exited my squad car and I was going to walk down the road, that road right there, in order to access Charles' residence. Almost as soon as I got out of my car I heard something behind me. I turned and Steve Avery was walking towards me and he had come out of that residence right there. I believe that's Al and Delores Avery's residence.
01-27-2016 , 06:35 PM
excellent quote from that Errol Morris interview:

"When people say that there’s stuff that’s omitted, well of course there’s stuff that’s omitted. At the end of it, I felt very strongly that there was a miscarriage of justice. Whether that miscarriage of justice is because Steven Avery is innocent, or Brendan Dassey is innocent, or whether it’s just simply because the horror of the lack of due process—the horror of life, the horror of how we treat people in the criminal justice system."
01-27-2016 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Considering TH called her boss and told him she was 10 mins away from avery's house.. I would say they did know.
Try again. It was Avery Salvage (not Avery's house), where the appointment to take pictures for Barb Janda's vehicle was scheduled.
01-27-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus Making a Murderer
Try again. It was Avery Salvage (not Avery's house), where the appointment to take pictures for Barb Janda's vehicle was scheduled.
this was just answered two posts above yours. He went to see charles then avery approached him. This makes sense, either way auto trader knew where she was going.
01-27-2016 , 06:51 PM
What happened in the wrongful conviction..

According to the DOJ

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...eview+Memo.pdf
01-27-2016 , 06:53 PM
I don't understand how any of you can possibly say that Lieutenant Lenk had no motive to do any of this. He's a colleague, employee, and sub-ordinate of those implicated in the lawsuit. His livelihood relied on a paycheck from a county that potentially could have been suffering a major hit to their ability to pay its employees as well as further scrutiny and shakeup as a result of the depositions and lawsuit, not to mention the reputational degradation of his investigative department, office and friends and colleagues. I've posted it once, and I'll post it again, straight from the judges mouth:

01-27-2016 , 06:56 PM
Someone should've bought the Avery's a digital camera.
01-27-2016 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheJacob Making a Murderer
The confirmation bias is the real problem with that test.

I mean their whole case is so ****ing circular its crazy. None of the evidence is independent of their crazy theory. Weird huh?
What is circular about her bones found burned in a pit in his yard, her car found on his property, and his blood found in her car?

The only confirmation bias is from people for some reason determined to believe the police framed an innocent man by planting bones, a car, blood, a bullet, a key, and DNA on his property.
01-27-2016 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
Considering TH called her boss and told him she was 10 mins away from avery's Salvage.
FYP

Why did the PD go back to the Avery salvage yard on the 4th & enter SA trailer with LENK ofc and still had no Idea if TH was alive/dead or any evidence that the avery family or salvage yard was a place of concern when they were involved with a civil suit.
Was the return visit due to a mystery phone call?


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01-27-2016 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
What happened in the wrongful conviction..

According to the DOJ

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...eview+Memo.pdf


This part is just shocking man. How this guy retained a law license is beyond me. There has got to be some shady ass **** going down there.
01-27-2016 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25 Making a Murderer
FYP

Why did the PD go back to the Avery salvage yard on the 4th & enter SA trailer with LENK ofc and still had no Idea if TH was alive/dead or any evidence that the avery family or salvage yard was a place of concern when they were involved with a civil suit.
Was the return visit due to a mystery phone call?


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Read their testimony. If it was relevant the defense would have brought it up. if the defense brought it up, i am sure its been answered.

Im sick of finding the answers for you.
01-27-2016 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight Making a Murderer
this was just answered two posts above yours. He went to see charles then avery approached him. This makes sense, either way auto trader knew where she was going.
I see...going to talk to Earl or Charles about Barb Janda's appointment. Makes sense.
01-27-2016 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33 Making a Murderer
What is circular about her bones found burned in a pit in his yard, her car found on his property, and his blood found in her car?

The only confirmation bias is from people for some reason determined to believe the police framed an innocent man by planting bones, a car, blood, a bullet, a key, and DNA on his property.
Yeah, I mean, why why would they do that? They didn't have anything to gain or lose, right?

      
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