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Also I wonder if theresas brother's interviews would have been included in the doc if he didnt come off so poorly and fame seeking?

I mean the rest of teresas family didnt seem above speaking to reporters:

http://wbay.com/2016/01/07/video-nov...-steven-avery/

But somehow the person who comes off the worst gets all the screen time!

Note: the above is sarcasm, i think the filmmakers knowingly included the scenes with the brother because it made him look bad and his form of grief was non-standard. I am going to start explaining my points more!

Also I believe the reporters covering the case were horrible. They only ever asked questions that seemed to favor the defense! Or made Halbach's brother or the prosecution look bad! They really need training on asking questions from both sides. Whats even weirder is that despite what these in court reporters were asking, the public perception at the time seemed to point to massively supporting the prosecution! crazy!

The brother was thereafter made the spokesperson for the family.

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01-26-2016 , 08:22 PM

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This is simple. Do you think they used every piece of interview he did? If not, then they edited(you seem to think edited means manipulated footage, I could show interview clips of almost anybody with enough source material and make them seem a certain way). Then the question becomes why did they choose to include the things they did and not include the things they didnt..

The brother and ex-bf injected themselves as leaders of a search party. They addressed the media as the leader of that search party, and both testified at trial. I think some of the things they did we questionable/odd, the deleted voicemail, the hacked phone records, the giving one single person a camera (who by the grace of god, finds the car in the first ~20mins of a search of a huge property). So yes, I think they needed to include footage of them and them in the documentary.

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01-26-2016 , 08:23 PM

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but the bigger point is that the box was not properly re-sealed.

It doesn't matter who was in the log as accessing the box. After 2002, it was not sealed.

So, in 2005, it may have been accessed - without an evidence seal, nobody can tell either way (unless you expect the log book to be accurate from that point on).

Right, someone screwed up in 2002 to give Lenk the opportunity to use Avery's blood to try to frame him thereafter as long as he was willing to play EDTA roulette and won. Possible, but I think it is very unlikely that happened without some other evidence. Previously, I thought the seal being inexplicably broken was that evidence in itself.

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01-26-2016 , 08:27 PM

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Bravo to others that were able to articulate points better than me. I think some people itt are internally questioning what they thought about this case and I am happy to see it. I know there are a lot of intelligent posters itt and I am confident they will come around.

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01-26-2016 , 08:28 PM

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Right, this is not a reasonable hypothesis ergo not reasonable doubt. Well put.

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01-26-2016 , 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CCuster_911

This is simple. Do you think they used every piece of interview he did? If not, then they edited(you seem to think edited means manipulated footage, I could show interview clips of almost anybody with enough source material and make them seem a certain way). Then the question becomes why did they choose to include the things they did and not include the things they didnt.

I can name at least half a dozen instances where they actually did edit people's statements too - e.g. removing the part of Brendan's call with Barb talking about Steven touching him and a girl relative inappropriately or removing names from Ryan's testimony that reveals there were also two of Teresa's girlfriends with Ryan and Scott that first night where they guessed the password.

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There was a blurb on the screen saying two people were there with one being a special prosecutor iirc.

They could've shown a blurb indicating how that seal was broken, but of course they only had 10 hours and had to get that footage in of Papa Avery eating cabbage.

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01-26-2016 , 08:30 PM

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Isn't it possible avery deleted her voicemails if he had access to her phone? If he called her again after she arrived and he had her tied up wouldn't he remove any evidence that he contacted her if that was what he was thinking? Why assume her ex deleted vms?

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01-26-2016 , 08:30 PM

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You guys are drawing conclusion out of nothing.

The fact that the evidence deal was previously broken does nothing to support/refute the claims that Lenk had opportunity and access to the vial.

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01-26-2016 , 08:31 PM

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They could've shown a blurb indicating how that seal was broken, but of course they only had 10 hours and had to get that footage in of Papa Avery eating cabbage.

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01-26-2016 , 08:34 PM

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You guys are drawing conclusion out of nothing.

The fact that the evidence deal was previously broken does nothing to support/refute the claims that Lenk had opportunity and access to the vial.

So where do we go from there? Lenk had access to the blood vial, lenk was in charge of evidence. Everytime someone is charged with a crime and their blood is found do we assume the person in charge of previous evidence had a reason to plant their blood on the crime scene? Is that a reasonable hypothesis to suggest? If so, there are a lot of criminals you feel didn't have a fair trial and had reasonable doubt in their conviction.

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01-26-2016 , 08:36 PM

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I personally don't have a problem with them choosing to tell the narrative from averys pov. I think it made it the most interesting. I just wish people could recognize what they are watching. This kind of filmaking is what convinced otherwise intelligent people that 9-11 was an inside job.

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01-26-2016 , 08:38 PM

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Again, most people think SA is not really smart. Do you think he has the insight to learn TH password and delete her voicemails and i guess the question becomes did he leave a voice mail that would be incriminating and if he did why would TH comes to his house in the first place? Either SA is a idiot or literally a genius when it comes to covering things up (e/c when he doesn't like leaving the blood in the car).

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01-26-2016 , 08:39 PM

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How hard was it to delete vms in 2003? Couldn't you just click vm on the person phone and go ham?

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01-26-2016 , 08:40 PM

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I think SA's intention was to say she never showed up initially. He probably deleted a VM that would indicate she did show up or was close or something.

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01-26-2016 , 08:44 PM

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I'm taking the way over on 70 IQ for Avery. He doesn't strike me as particularly slow/dumb.

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01-26-2016 , 09:12 PM

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I think SA's intention was to say she never showed up initially. He probably deleted a VM that would indicate she did show up or was close or something.

How in the world do you get to probably? You have specifically complained on many occasions about people being too sure of things of which there isn't supporting evidence.

I get it, people that watched all the serious Woodward and Bernstein journalism on WLUK 11 when all this stuff was going down know a lot more than those that have seen the made-for-TV movie on Netflix ten years later.

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01-26-2016 , 09:34 PM

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I think he made himself look like a tool. If you're suggesting they edited his media footage, I would entertain a citation.

Serious question: how did he make himself look like a tool? You realize his sister got horrifically murdered and her body burned, yes? I thought he handled himself incredibly well, given that he had to listen to weeks of graphic testimony about his sister's violent murder. He was clearly asked by his grieving mother to be the spokesperson for the family, and he deserves a ton of credit for how he dealt with the situation.

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01-26-2016 , 09:41 PM

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Depends on how willing a person is to believe in police conspiracies to frame innocent people. From that starting point, any evidence - short of the actual crime caught on video - can be disregarded as just another part of the frame-up.

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01-26-2016 , 09:41 PM

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My suspicion here is based on the fact that SA clearly murdered TH and is most likely the one that would have had reason to delete her VM's.

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01-26-2016 , 09:42 PM

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And, no I didn't attack anyone for not posting stuff without evidence. I don't know what you are talking about. I did attack Lost for using the show as an authority though because it is obviously circular.

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01-26-2016 , 09:43 PM

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01-26-2016 , 09:49 PM

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My suspicion here is based on the fact that SA clearly murdered TH and is most likely the one that would have had reason to delete her VM's.

Didn't her brother testify that is was him, or may have been him that deleted them? I might be remembering that questioning wrong, and haven't read the brothers testimony.

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01-26-2016 , 09:51 PM

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He said he listened but was pretty sure he didn't delete any.

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01-26-2016 , 09:51 PM

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You don't have to believed they are framing an innocent person. They usually are framing a person that they think is guilty.

Planting evidence is usually done to get a conviction on a person who a cop feels is guilty of a crime(s) but doesn't have enough proof for a convcition. Doesn't even need to be for the same crime. Can plant drugs on a suspect of a robbery you think is affiliated with the drug trade.

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