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It was a six week trial.

Having actually sat on a jury for a newsworthy criminal case that lasted three weeks plus jury deliberations, I can assure you that you are only getting at best about 10% of the relevant information.

this is just a hilarious lowball estimate, you're not even saying 10% of all info, you're saying 10% of the most relevant information. i agree there was definitely info left out, but i find it hard to believe that greater than 50% of the most relevant info to the case was left out.

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12-27-2015 , 06:40 PM

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Do people who watched this realize that you are only probably getting about 10% of the information relative to this case? Many people seem to be only judging this case on what is presented in the film which is a very carefully crafted work that is telling one particular story.

There is much more information out there that either clears up some questions or cast serious doubts on some of the speculation.

I have to hand it to the filmmakers though. They made a film that really appeals to the conspiracy minded folks knowing that they would go gaga discussing their version of the story.

Is this the same for the Brendan case? Have you seen any evidence that ties a conviction to him other than his confession?

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12-27-2015 , 06:54 PM

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http://www.wkow.com/story/30834876/2...ol-city-sunday

great interview with dean strang

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12-27-2015 , 07:38 PM

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lol

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12-27-2015 , 07:43 PM

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The other thing i wonder about is why people lied about the things they did.
The 2 guys who only alibi'd each other but then discredited by the bus driver. That just seemed to be glossed over. And her brother lying about deleting vm messages.

The detectives probably got to their head as well.

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12-27-2015 , 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sirswish6

but i find it hard to believe that greater than 50% of the most relevant info to the case was left out.

Based on what?? Because a movie told you to believe that??

With very little effort I have come across a good number of very relevant and potentially highly incriminating pieces of evidence that was conveniently left out of the film.

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12-27-2015 , 08:15 PM

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Well **** man, don't hold back, give us some linkage. Also, does this apply strictly to Steven, or Brendan as well?

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12-27-2015 , 08:29 PM

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Well **** man, don't hold back, give us some linkage.

I would also like to hear about these allegedly guilty-favoring facts--assuming they were entered into evidence at trial.

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12-27-2015 , 08:33 PM

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I would also like to hear about these allegedly guilty-favoring facts--assuming they were entered into evidence at trial.

right, and this is the problem, we are getting into knox thread territory where people were repeatedly quoting a ton of nonsense that was never submitted as evidence.

www.reddit.com/r/makingamurderer is a good place to start if you want to read more stuff about the case. and yeah, there are some red flags, but most of the time it's not clear which of these were brought up in court, and if they were, what the specific evidence raised was.

esad is being highly annoying in this thread imo, but still, i don't think he should have to come in here and spoonfeed stuff.

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12-27-2015 , 08:34 PM

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Most of the stuff i have come across is just stuff that bolsters the characterization of how horrible of a person Steven is and how it wouldn't be far fetched for him to rape and murder someone. But nothing that really answers the glaring holes in the case. Like i said before it doesn't change the fact of everything that was wrongly done by the prosecutors, Len H Macy, investigators and sheriff's dept even if he is guilty. Which I'm not really even arguing. But in Brendan Dassey's case i can't comprehend how he gets life in prison. I mean their argument is "innocent people don't confess" that's it?!

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12-27-2015 , 08:43 PM

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esad is being highly annoying in this thread imo, but still, i don't think he should have to come in here and spoonfeed stuff.

If he's claiming the docu left out important facts then it should be on him to provide links to sites with excerpts of the alleged, unreported testimony.

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12-27-2015 , 08:59 PM

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yeah, that's 'on him' if he actually cares one iota about convincing you.

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12-27-2015 , 09:05 PM

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Where are people getting this from?

Presumably she goes missing on the 31st.
She's reported missing on the 3rd
Col calls in on the 3rd

I said this wrong. Colburn was clearly looking at the car two days before it was found at the Avery's property.

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12-27-2015 , 09:26 PM

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dying to see the 90% of the evidence that you have, maybe you can make a documentary that is 100 eps long with it? idk why u didnt quote the part where i agreed things were left out, i guess that doesnt work well when ur trying to argue. my point is 90% is an incredibly large number considering there were 700+ pieces of physical evidence if im remembering correctly.

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http://www.wkow.com/story/30834876/2...ol-city-sunday

great interview with dean strang

good stuff

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12-27-2015 , 09:55 PM

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Link to an old forum discussion going back to 2005. There is lots of information, including other evidence. Interesting to read folks reactions at that time...it gives additional credence to defense claims that a fair trial was not possible with the media exposure this was getting at the time.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...oc-31-Oct-2005

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12-27-2015 , 10:44 PM

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http://www.wkow.com/story/30834876/2...ol-city-sunday

great interview with dean strang

Very good, thanks for posting. Dean is clearly very bright, and seemingly has a great moral compass.

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12-27-2015 , 11:10 PM

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nice link, thanks

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12-27-2015 , 11:46 PM

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12-28-2015 , 12:50 AM

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That whole abuse of that cat thing does make me wonder since it's a common trait among psychopaths. Guy had done some aggressive things in his past and if you toe the line enough times eventually you'll step over.

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12-28-2015 , 01:07 AM

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True, there's a lot of insane things going on on both sides of this thing here. Such as Avery making multiple *67 calls to Halbach to hide his number. Of course that could be easily explained as he doesn't like giving his number out to anyone.

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12-28-2015 , 01:20 AM

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I was living in NE Wisconsin when this was happening and remember being so sick of hearing about it on the news everyday. Now I'm probably going to stay up all night and binge watch the last 7 episodes.

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12-28-2015 , 01:29 AM

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The other problem i have with a lot of the evidence is that the prosecution's strongest evidence is all stuff magically discovered later by the same people that had very strong motive to frame him.

A lot of the "90%" of evidence not in the doc fall into this type of category for me. I have yet to read any strong additional inculpatory evidence that wasn't in the doc.

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12-28-2015 , 02:36 AM

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c.) This Family gots some perverts in it.

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https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...43,56083&hl=en

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12-28-2015 , 02:49 AM

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Is the defense allowed to subpoena and depose people like Teresa's roommate and ex-boyfriend? Might be interesting to know why she wasn't reported missing for 3 days. And who actually reported her missing?

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