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12-27-2018 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hemstock
I mean I don't wanna get into it but a lot of what you're saying sounds incorrect based on what I've seen in both documentaries.

This is the most interesting video going through a lot of the evidence and the trial.

Jim Clemente is an obnoxious clown, a lying weasel & a shill for criminals, who's currently being sued for $750 million by Burke Ramsey. He made a ton of errors in the Meredith Kercher case & shilled for both Amanda Knox & Joe Paterno. He isn't a reliable source on anything at all whatsoever.
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12-27-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by hemstock
Why?
Because they're far more accurate & reliable sources than dishonest netflix advocacy pieces or say, Jim Clemente by way of an example)

quoteI just wanna be entertained for a few hours. I'm not trying to pass exams to become a lawyer.[/quote]
Watch a movie. Murder isn't entertainment it's real. When looking into real cases of murder it behooves one to read the primary sources rather than getting all fired up by manipulative Innocence Fraud documentaries.


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This is also an excellent channel on youtube making compilations of police interrogations.

Which is indeed quite relevant when studying cases as it makes baseless false claims of say, coercion by supporters & murderer groupies easy to refute. Much better than selected segments such as MAM gave.
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12-28-2018 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
My point still stands.

The body was there in august, wasn't there in November and was somehow there again in December.
It seems to me very odd that the body would be removed, then replaced.

The evidence presented in the video linked above would seem to indicate the vegetable growth among the remains was continuous over a long period of time.

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two relevant questions. Why couldn't dominic locate the body? Who was giving dominic directions on the phone?
Perhaps Dominic's phone records would give us a clue who his informant was.

According to this article, Dominc did not come near where Caylee's body was dumped.

Investigator Casey stated that his search was prompted by a phone call from a psychic and not from the grandmother of the missing child.

He also stated the child’s remains were not found in the previously searched area by him, but were found some 60-100 feet west of the area.


https://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/7/prweb8630860.htm

Hardly surprising to me that he wouldn't observe the small bundle from that distance in a swampy woods.
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12-28-2018 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
This seems like a search someone would do who was thinking of killing themselves, not someone who was thinking of killing someone else. Is there a human alive who doesn't understand how to suffocate another person? It would only be suffocating yourself where youd need some instructions.

Also, that search was done after caylee was dead. That search took place after the string of calls to caseys mom. The "panic calls".
Not according to the information I am looking at.

June 16 - computer search for 'suffocation'.

July 15 - Casey reveals to her mother Cindy that Caylee is 'missing'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...y_Anthony_case
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12-28-2018 , 11:12 AM
Break in murder case due to media coverage of crime.



Killer is identified, victim's body recovered.

It just goes to show it can be a good thing there is public interest in criminal justice.
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12-28-2018 , 07:58 PM
A pity the state seems determined to evade a scientific examination of material evidence.
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12-28-2018 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by proudfootz
A pity the state seems determined to evade a scientific examination of material evidence.
Not quite yet, I rushed it before reading.... There just stalling the process so denied the bone testing as the original motion goes back, and KZ has until 1 Feb 2019 to refile..
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12-29-2018 , 05:51 AM
Expert witness Scott Fairgrieve reflects on the trial of Steven Avery for the murder of Teresa Halbach.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbu...sics-1.3393200
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12-29-2018 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
Zellcat strikes out again. There's a surprise...
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12-29-2018 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Zellcat strikes out again. There's a surprise...
That's the Wisconsin justice system for ya.. Its worse than the Italian system... ��
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12-30-2018 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
That's the Wisconsin justice system for ya.. Its worse than the Italian system... ��
Ah.So now the system is at fault, gotcha I'll just add that to the list of everything else that was at fault except Cuddly Bear Steve & Innocent Brendan.

So far we've
KRRAAAAAAAATZ!!
Manitowoc LE
The FBI
Ninja Ryan
Bobby Dassey
Scott Tadych
The victim's family (stay classy murderer groupies)
The Juries
The Defence
SCOTUS who refused to hear Innocent Brendan's HC submission
And now it's the Wisconsin Judicial System.

And all of these elements occurred randomly like the stars aligning, to make Avery seem so damn screamingly beyond a reasonable doubtingly guilty. And Zellcat keeps getting denied because now the WI judicial system is in on it too and not because Zellcat's a shyster clown who engages in pseudo science & can't even submit to the correct court. Poor Cuddles & his nephew sure are unlucky aren't they, I mean what are the odds of all those things happening eh?

And this of course is far more probable and likely than Avery & his nephew being guilty AF. See now why you hard core supporters are regarded as a cult?
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12-30-2018 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Ah.So now the system is at fault, gotcha I'll just add that to the list of everything else that was at fault except Cuddly Bear Steve & Innocent Brendan.

So far we've
KRRAAAAAAAATZ!!
Manitowoc LE
The FBI
Ninja Ryan
Bobby Dassey
Scott Tadych
The victim's family (stay classy murderer groupies)
The Juries
The Defence
SCOTUS who refused to hear Innocent Brendan's HC submission
And now it's the Wisconsin Judicial System.

And all of these elements occurred randomly like the stars aligning, to make Avery seem so damn screamingly beyond a reasonable doubtingly guilty. And Zellcat keeps getting denied because now the WI judicial system is in on it too and not because Zellcat's a shyster clown who engages in pseudo science & can't even submit to the correct court. Poor Cuddles & his nephew sure are unlucky aren't they, I mean what are the odds of all those things happening eh?

And this of course is far more probable and likely than Avery & his nephew being guilty AF. See now why you hard core supporters are regarded as a cult?
I've never accused the victims family or ever called anyone names.. Except Sherry Burp!!! Excuse me Culhane.
Who is this ninja you speak off?

Yeah & you got the rest correct, all of Wisconsin justice is ****ed up/dishonest juries, frightened juries and the rest. I know shocking to believe there 2 justice systems in most counties.
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12-30-2018 , 02:56 PM
Not saying you did Smacc &I know you personally haven't but attacks from supporters have been linked, it's irrelevant from where specifically.

Again do you honestly believe such a complex conspiracy is more probable & likely than both convicted defendants being guilty?
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12-30-2018 , 03:27 PM
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Again do you honestly believe such a complex conspiracy is more probable & likely than both convicted defendants being guilty?
Complex conspiracy it was not, they just railroaded everyone into believing they were guilty by using unethical methods.
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12-30-2018 , 03:41 PM
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Complex conspiracy it was not, they just railroaded everyone into believing they were guilty by using unethical methods.
I'm sorry, but that is magical thinking of a perfectly absurd kind -- the same as the 'Oswald was framed' lunacy of JFK conspiracists. It simply is not possible that The Real Killer (copyright, trademark, World Rights Reserved) magically intercepted Teresa Halbach en route to Avery's place, killed her and left the scene without a trace, or that police officers magically happened upon this crime scene and, instead of reporting it in the usual way, instantly devised an Evil Global Masterplan to frame Avery for the crime (in order to save the county's insurers the relatively small sum involved in the payout for his previous wrongful conviction, except that sum had to be paid anyway on account of, duh, totally different case) and moved Teresa's vehicle to Avery's property without him noticing and planted evidence all over the place without him noticing and, oh, incinerated the body without him noticing as well. Because you never notice when corrupt police officers are doing that type thing right outside your house for no logical reason, do you?

Oh, and then they used the Jedi Mind Trick on all the witnesses, did they? Don't be daft.

Avery and Dassey did it. It's a matter of record and that's how that is.
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12-30-2018 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
I'm sorry, but that is magical thinking of a perfectly absurd kind -- the same as the 'Oswald was framed' lunacy of JFK conspiracists. It simply is not possible that The Real Killer (copyright, trademark, World Rights Reserved) magically intercepted Teresa Halbach en route to Avery's place, killed her and left the scene without a trace, or that police officers magically happened upon this crime scene and, instead of reporting it in the usual way, instantly devised an Evil Global Masterplan to frame Avery for the crime (in order to save the county's insurers the relatively small sum involved in the payout for his previous wrongful conviction, except that sum had to be paid anyway on account of, duh, totally different case) and moved Teresa's vehicle to Avery's property without him noticing and planted evidence all over the place without him noticing and, oh, incinerated the body without him noticing as well. Because you never notice when corrupt police officers are doing that type thing right outside your house for no logical reason, do you?

Oh, and then they used the Jedi Mind Trick on all the witnesses, did they? Don't be daft.

Avery and Dassey did it. It's a matter of record and that's how that is.
I suppose all those DNA exonerated feel the same... Are you sure you've researched this case?
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12-30-2018 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
I'm sorry, but that is magical thinking of a perfectly absurd kind -- the same as the 'Oswald was framed' lunacy of JFK conspiracists. It simply is not possible that The Real Killer (copyright, trademark, World Rights Reserved) magically intercepted Teresa Halbach en route to Avery's place, killed her and left the scene without a trace, or that police officers magically happened upon this crime scene and, instead of reporting it in the usual way, instantly devised an Evil Global Masterplan to frame Avery for the crime (in order to save the county's insurers the relatively small sum involved in the payout for his previous wrongful conviction, except that sum had to be paid anyway on account of, duh, totally different case) and moved Teresa's vehicle to Avery's property without him noticing and planted evidence all over the place without him noticing and, oh, incinerated the body without him noticing as well. Because you never notice when corrupt police officers are doing that type thing right outside your house for no logical reason, do you?

Oh, and then they used the Jedi Mind Trick on all the witnesses, did they? Don't be daft.

Avery and Dassey did it. It's a matter of record and that's how that is.
As you won't even discuss the case or the mishaps, your garbage is dismissed.
Go take your grand conspiracy theory's to a 9/11 thread....

This case was rather obvious, the accused found all the evidence, its that simple.
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12-30-2018 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
Complex conspiracy it was not, they just railroaded everyone into believing they were guilty by using unethical methods.
It's truly bizarre that anyone should think law enforcement framing someone is so complicated. It happens frequently enough.

Sadly, there's too many citizens who have an unwarranted faith in the 'honor and integrity' of people who choose that profession, as if they are superior individuals immune to the frailties of us lesser mortals.
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12-30-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Avery and Dassey did it. It's a matter of record and that's how that is.
Ahh It was those people... Your bigotry shone through with that statement you made in the UK thread...

I know your a bigot plain & simple, you even disparage your so called fellow countrymen, like us Scots and Irish... And you don't even realise when you do it. That's my opinion of you.
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12-30-2018 , 04:55 PM
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It's truly bizarre that anyone should think law enforcement framing someone is so complicated. It happens frequently enough.

Sadly, there's too many citizens who have an unwarranted faith in the 'honor and integrity' of people who choose that profession, as if they are superior individuals immune to the frailties of us lesser mortals.
This troll ain't even smart bro, never answers Q's put to him, just pops in with Stupidity to disparage a fellow countryman. Imo. He's a closet bigot.
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12-30-2018 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
That's the Wisconsin justice system for ya.. Its worse than the Italian system... ��
I first encountered corpus on a site where it was widely believed that there was a grand international conspiracy to to free Amanda Knox involving the Mafia, the Italian judiciary, the Obama State Department, and high profile mainstream media outlets.

All the hand wringing about 'conspiracy theorists' is generally special pleading - I've found the worst offenders typically believe in their own conspiracies.
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12-30-2018 , 05:03 PM
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I first encountered corpus on a site where it was widely believed that there was a grand international conspiracy to to free Amanda Knox involving the Mafia, the Italian judiciary, the Obama State Department, and high profile mainstream media outlets.

All the hand wringing about 'conspiracy theorists' is generally special pleading - I've found the worst offenders typically believe in their own conspiracies.
I'm not upto date with the Kercher case, but did believe she was an accomplice in Merideth's death due to a drug habit.
And then the family & friends flung money (as would anyone) to free there daughter from a foreign land, again its not a Grand of anything but just the usual stuff a family would do to protect there own... Where that money went I'd guess at lawyers and such.
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12-30-2018 , 05:05 PM
That was the impression the BBC doc gave us over here... Forget the name, of it sorry.
If the doc is misleading then I have wrong info.
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12-30-2018 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by smacc25
I'm not upto date with the Kercher case, but did believe she was an accomplice in Merideth's death due to a drug habit.
And then the family & friends flung money (as would anyone) to free there daughter from a foreign land, again its not a Grand of anything but just the usual stuff a family would do to protect there own... Where that money went I'd guess at lawyers and such.
The funny thing about the Kercher case is that people on both sides believe in one conspiracy or another - one side thinking Italian justice system conspired to convict Knox, and the other side believing in a conspiracy of the Italian justice system to free Knox.
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