LOL at the state whining that 'no motive' established for alternate suspect, when no motive was ever established for their chosen victim.

Could the hypocrisy of the 'guilter' crowd be any more obvious?

It's the 1985 false conviction all over again.

Lol at you not knowing that the defendant has to meet certain requirements in order to get their get outa jail free card. You're simply thick who uses made up words like "guilter" which you're still unable/unwilling to provide a definition for, due to you're stupidity & the fact that you're about two rungs up from a troll, if even that. Nor have you provided a scintilla of evidence that Avery's wrongful conviction for rape was due to actual maliciousness on the part of the state, as opposed to simple error within an imperfect system. Just the same old same old semi trolling from you.

They haven't met Brady or Denny & only eejits like you think they have.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/brady_rule

But again keep holding your torch I look forward to chortling at your continued erroneous perceptions re Brady, Denny & anything else that pops into that pizzagate skull of yours as well as your continued fervent belief that Zellner's gonna actually achieve anything re Avery, not to mention your bizarre delusion that Avery & Dassey aren't now screwed.

I know the state has to lower the bar for themselves to get these false convictions.

You know it, too.

Except they didn't as you've yet again provided nothing beyond your tired burblings that they have. Avery & Dassey were convicted BARD, the only standard the state needs. You don't even understand BARD. As I accurately pointed out, you're stupid. Maybe that's why you're a fan of two murderers. Maybe its sympathy for your fellow low IQ sufferers? Either way, you're simply stupid & your vapid response is one of the reasons you're a semi troll.

Yeah hence his conviction. Defence attornys have actual wet dreams about thickos like you being on the jury. The evidence is overwhelming against Avery.

Untrue which was already covered via .22 shell with Teresa's DNA on it which you falsely claimed was contamination.
Overwhelming evidence Teresa was murdered on Avery's property. Precisely where it occurred is ultimately irrelevant, you're simply too thick to realise this.

Fallacious argument which was already covered. Rinse repeat as usual from our resident murderer groupies...

No you don't. You don't know the meaning of the word "evidence".

The problem with the 'guilter' dogmatic adherence to court decisions is that they are sometimes wrong.

Like in the 1985 case when Steven was convicted even though he was totally innocent.

I have the advantage over the juries in the two cases, in that I know the state didn't even believe their own scenario - changing their story whenever it felt convenient.

That they have to set the bar higher for the defense demonstrates how insecure they are to the point they need to stack the deck against ordinary Americans.

The state withholding evidence that showed their star witness was lying is just the latest proof showing how screwed up these convictions are.

All the evidence shows law enforcement didn't care about justice for Teresa, the same way they didn't care about justice for Penny Beernsten when they railroaded Steven the first time.

Luckily, your hero Kenny 'The Prize' Kratz had thickos like you on his juries.

There is no evidence Steven Avery committed any crime against Teresa Halbach.

Everyone knows the person who conducted that test contaminated samples. Culhane even admits as much. Now you're calling her a liar? LOL!

Your desperation is showing.

There is zero evidence Teresa was murdered on the ASY property.

That's a problem, since it is an established fact that that is where Steven was.

Kinda hard to commit a murder if you're not at the scene of the crime.

But I'm sure a 'guilter' of your gullibility will find a way to believe it, if Ken 'The Creeper' Kratz tells you so. LOL!


Sorry that you feel that established historical facts are 'fallacious'. But I guess that explains why you prefer living in your fantasy world.

The state covered up for a viable suspect, and covered up for his lying on the stand to convict a man they had a grudge against.

Brady Violation 101.

What's a "guilter"? How come you're unable to explain your cultish lexicon?


Not interested in your whinging about the system, completely separate issue with zero to do with the overwhelming evidence which rightly convicted Avery.

They didn't withhold anything, see now why you're considered a troll & a great big eejit? Same old dribble from you, Jasus.

Zellner already blamed Buting & Strang of ineffective counsel last year & fully acknowledged they knew about the evidence.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...murder-126346/

Now she's claiming it's MTSO, withheld blah waffle drone?? Again you groupies are simply stupid & irrational.

*murder weapon in averys home
*Body on averys property burned in a burn pit he had going the prior day
*Blood inside the victims property
*Teresa disappears after visiting avery
*Teresas personal belongings found in a barrel outside of averys door
*Teresas vehicle found on the same property where avery lived
*Teresas key found in averys bedroom
*avery called Teresa 3 times, twice blocked but once unblocked only after she left his property
*avery requested Teresa by name using his sisters contact information selling his sisters vehicle against her wishes

Most people would indeed call this evidence (overwhelming) There has been no other scenario presented that fits this evidence where avery is innocent. You are saying someone else can be implicated. Who?

As for the Brady Violation. It appears Zellner is arguing that the state didn't get this specific CD. The information on the CD was also on a DVD (according to the state) and the CD was admitted into evidence but never requested by the defense.

If both of these things are true its not a Brady Violation.

If both of those things are false Zellner would have to further demonstrate that the evidence on this CD could lead to a different outcome in the trial which afaik she hasn't done.

It certainly looks like a Brady violation from the information here:

Brady disclosure consists of exculpatory or impeaching information and evidence that is material to the guilt or innocence or to the punishment of a defendant. The term comes from the U.S. Supreme Court case Brady v. Maryland,[1] in which the Supreme Court ruled that suppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to a defendant who has requested it violates due process.

Following Brady, the prosecutor must disclose evidence or information that would prove the innocence of the defendant or would enable the defense to more effectively impeach the credibility of government witnesses. Evidence that would serve to reduce the defendant's sentence must also be disclosed by the prosecution. In practice this doctrine has often proved difficult to enforce. Some states have established their own laws to try to strengthen enforcement against prosecutorial misconduct in this area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_disclosure


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Nothing there requires the defense to ask for the information - the onus is on the prosecutor.

What is more is that the prosecution knew this information would prove their star witness against Steven Avery was lying.

That's evidence that the prosecution didn't care about justice, they were interested in putting Steven Avery in prison - much like the 1985 case when they ignored more than a dozen alibi witnesses that proved he was innocent.

The problem is they WERE given the information. Just not on this CD and were aware of the CD as well.


Lastly, there is no evidence any of this stuff on the cd would somehow help avery in court. Nobody, including B&S gave one **** about computer searches on a family shared computer because it is nothing but a massive red herring.

Also ffs. The prosecutors in 1985 are gone and were gone when avery was tried and convicted. Stop acting like they are the same people. He wasn't even tried in the same country.

I don't consider it a red herring when the state's star witness is Googling 'rape and torture young kidnap victim' within 30 feet of a woman who disappears 30 minutes later.

The state should have impeached their own witness if they cared about justice instead of pursuing a personal vendetta.

I'm sure lots of people wish everyone would forget the frame up job on the same guy involving some of the same creeps caught up in the multi-million dollar lawsuit.

Perhaps if Bobby had the murder weapon in his house and bled in her car after setting up an appointment in anonymity selling something the owner doesn’t won’t sold while requesting a girl who gets murdered minutes later... he’d have been a prime suspect.

But let’s forget all that because he has a violent porn fetish and searches disgusting **** on the internet.

Who was involved in the lawsuit? Who are you talking about?

Yeah he doesn't know what evidence is & still thinks there's no evidence Teresa murdered on Avery's property. Nor does he understand a Brady violation. He's stupid like the rest of Avery & Dassey's murderer groupie cult.

Colburn and Lenk, two of the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Office who were supposedly banned from the site due to conflict of interest.

They just happened to be on hand to 'discover' key evidence.

This isn't the new evidence pointing to corruption in the case - this has been discussed here long ago.

No one has shown how Teresa was killed, which kind of puts a rather huge hole in any claims about what the 'murder weapon' was, or whether the very common rifle found in Steven's residence was ever used in any crime let alone a murder.

Everyone knew Barb was selling that vehicle.

Teresa knew who Steven Avery was and that when she was going to Avery Salvage Yard she'd likely run into him since they had done business before (which is also a very good reason to ask for the same photographer).

All of this has been covered already in this thread - this isn't the new evidence of malfeasance exposed by the ongoing investigation.

The new evidence is that the state covered up for a very likely suspect, made him their star witness, and covered up that he lied on behalf of the prosecution.

Except the .22 shell with murder victim's DNA on it. Which as you said was already covered. And your contamination and/or planting argument dismissed for having nothing to support it.

Wow that's some leap. So now it isn't ninja Ryan or corrupt LE? Now it's BD/ST? Can the Murderer fan club itt clear up this ever so slight contradiction & discrepancy? Same tropes as Knox & WM3 groupies- Multiple courts rejected for special little guys like Cuddly Steve & Innocent Brendan while innuendo speculation & accusation sufficient for bad old BD. Or ST. Or RH. Or Le. Or anyone but Stevie & Brendan as their Kool Aid Klub plays whack-a-mole with Alternative Suspects©/REAL Killers®™. Wonder who Zellcat will be blaming next week/month/year which you lot will all rhapsodize slavishly about completely tone deaf to how idiotic you'll look.

You people truly are a cult.

LOL @ 'guilters' thinking a cartridge casing killed Teresa Halbach.



LOL @ 'guilters' calling their own witness Culhane (who helped falsely convict Steven Avery in the 1985 rape case) a liar when she admits contaminating samples in this case.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oy2pjeoxv...ments.PDF?dl=0

LOL @ 'guilters' not understanding that matching a bullet fragment to a certain model of rifle =/= matching it to one specific weapon of the 11 million sold.

https://www.marlinfirearms.com/rimfire/model-60

A) Nobody said that. She was killed by being shot & the .22 shell is evidence of this. To go with the rest of the overwhelming evidence. Again with your substandard trolling misrepresenting what was said.

B) Still waiting for your definition of a "guilter", troll. Still getting crickets




Rest of your spamming repetitive crap not even worth entertaining. Your killers are going nowhere, move on.

Colborn and Lenk were not sued by avery at any point in time. They testified on averys behalf because Colborn felt there was a chance his supervisor didn't property document his call. The call that MAY HAVE been about avery.

Lenks only involvement was telling colborn to file a report once the two discovered that the call could have been about a man who actually was innocent and nothing was done about it.

Neither man was "banned" from the site. The sheriff did a press conference where he assured the public that manitwoc wasn't leading the investigation and would only be there to assist.. Which is exactly what they did.

The only evidence that was discovered by lenk/colborn to my knowledge was the key. Important to note that lenk and colborn were in the trailer the night before searching his bedroom and didn't discover the key. This leads to an interesting question for your theory that they were somehow planting evidence.

Did Lenk and colborn have the key prior to searching the night before?

1) If they did, why not plant it then? Afterall, they didn't know they were returning the next day.

2) If they didn't, where the hell did the key come from? Did they locate the key somewhere else on the property? Wouldn't that still implicate avery? Why move the key?

You're right, perhaps she snuck into averys bedroom, stole his rifle, shot herself in the head, then crawled over to the bon fire without avery noticing.

Being the sweet guy avery is he disposed of all of Teresas things to prevent the embarrassment to her family that their daughter killed herself.

Barb didn't want to sell that vehicle. Whether or not she knew it was being sold is irrelevant to my point. She told avery she didn't want to sell it. He was persistent that she must sell it and they got into a fight about it.


It is apparent Teresa didn't know she was seeing steven because she asked for directions to be faxed to her and it is a rather large property.

Another thing to ask. Has he asked for Teresa using someone elses name before? And Why did he call her blocked only before she showed up but not after?

No such thing has been discovered. This is all nonsense.