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Originally Posted by Kamikam
We're not in the 80s anymore, we now understand the limits of IQ tests. I'm not saying they mean ****, but it's not the graal of intelligence defining anymore. There is more to it.
By the standards of 11 years ago he wasn't deemed mentally ******ed or borderline & again his IQ has already been thoroughly discussed itt & is not getting rehashed yet again ad nauseam or not by me anyway.
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You could argue that MAM is biased - and it actually is imo - but there is no argument that Dassey isn't completly with us when you watch the documentary.
You mean the biased documentary which you just opined was biased in fairness. Therefore not a valid point with respect. What's your point re not completely with us? Nobody said he's Stephen Hawking or above average intelligence but he wasn't borderline ******ed & it's utterly false to say he was.
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Unless you want to pretend that he was drilled to appear ******ed (but I doubt even you would go there) it's impossible to argue in good faith that he's "just another kid". Please, you like to talk IQ, don't insult mine.
Let's get one thing straight right here & now- Dassey is only ******ed
when it suits his supporters. He's ******ed but can read regular novels & newspapers. (Or else he lied on stand under oath which isn't a particularly valid explanation). He's ******ed but can also be coached to withstand tough prosecution cross examination. He's ******ed but can make "logical guesses" & masterfully store info in order to fool two seasoned investigators for reasons best known to himself. He's ******ed but goes to science class & only needs help with one class, rest being regular.
It's complete contrary bs & yet more rehashing of what was already covered where it mattered most, in a court of law & doesn't bear entertaining by anyone rational for so much as a nanosecond.
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Speaking of good faith, mentionning that he's NOW 28 obviously mean ****. What kind of weak ass point is that ?
You were speaking in the present tense about him, I'm merely going by what you wrote.
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And because you can come up with exemples of other bull**** justice decisions doesn't mean that what happened to Dassey is fine
A) You're missing the point- there is a standard definition of what's considered sufficient evidence to convict & a standard definition of what's considered fair due process & Dassey met those standards. He isn't special. He doesn't get such standards raised higher just for him & just cuz he's Innocent Brendan, that's not how the system or indeed reality works. Whether such defined standards should be more stringent than beyond a reasonable doubt & what's currently considered as fair due process is a completely separate issue. Ditto on minors being tried as adults.
B) Gosh. All those examples bs huh? Just like that? Just cuz you have issues with a verdict& conviction & sentence? Ergo dismissed automatically? Under the apparent belief that this suffices & is actual objectively
valid dismissal?
I'm not entertaining such magical thinking via flat out assertions, okay? Sorry.
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it just means that you americans have a serious problem with your justice system. I can't think of a worse one in occident tbh. I mean, you live in a country where death penalty for murderers suffering of paranoid schizophrenia is still on the table WTF. And I feel it's not going to get better any soon pending today's upcoming Trump decision btw, but like you said, it's another topic.
Yeah it is. And in yet another topic still, I'm not American so it's not my system & you shouldn't be so presumptive, with all due respect.
Last edited by corpus vile; 07-09-2018 at 01:29 PM.