What's wrong is you talking to delusional conspiracy theorists and expecting a rational response.

Right, and I simply explained to you how engaging in Innocence Fraud is illegal, then provided you with your own outrageously idiotic VERBATIM quote where you accused them of engaging in such fraud to "make a buck".

Hey loser - for three years, you have dedicated significant portions of your life to attempting to convince people that MaM is false and the result of "Innocence Fraud" committed by two people who conspired to "make a buck". Along the way, you have labeled people who are calling for justice "murder groupies".

Meanwhile, there is mounting evidence, piles on piles, that your cause is going to fail eventually...

If you're not being paid to be here, then you are even stupider than your non-sequitur, endless streams of pointless posts make you seem.

And I just explained to you how it isn't. You carrot.
Please cite via the law where it's illegal to make a lying false documentary thanks ever so much.

Indeed. That's cuz they did. Which still isn't illegal. You plank.
You haven't provided one verbatim quote to back up your raving about us accusing the docutwins of conspiring with netlfix to make LE look bad & free a murderer. Or provided evidence of Griesbach's alleged lies & MCLE being murderers. You cabbage.

Yeah as that earlier linked post count shows, you master of projection.

Ya that's cuz you are murderer groupies as your insane rant adequately highlighted. Wild accusations, conspiralunacy & inability to back up your madness. If you're not a murderer groupie, then you're a whole new dimension of stupid, never mind level. Neither explanation says much for you or the rest of your murderer & rapist advocating truther cult. But yeah you're a murderer groupie.

Which you're still unable to provide. You don't even know what evidence is & conflate lost arguments with actual evidence. You big eejit.

Yeah best of luck with that too & I agree with the courts therefore simply highlight the facts & don't conflate them with my opinion unlike you & your addled ilk.
You do realise Cuddly Steve's been denied a retrial right? (which in itself is a huge leap backward from Zellner's earlier waffle re "air tight alibis" and "100% exoneration anyway btw)

I'm not.You highly strung murderer groupie paranoiac.

You have failed miserably to provide anything to support your last posts of verbal diarrhea. Your fellow groupies haven't raised one single solitary valid point.

Yet again nobody who agrees with the trial court verdicts expect any trends to be broken in this regard anytime soon.

Three years ago, CV realized that viewers of MaM who called for a new trial were shilling for SA and BD, whom he labeled "sex murderers".

Three years later, and many, many, many "facts" highlighted (lol), he's STILL fighting the good fight and championing the noble cause to keep these "sex murderers" off of the streets of a country not his own.

And we are the conspiracy theorists.

Nothing further your honor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your "theory" of the case is that the police and prosecutor's office of Manitowoc county engaged in a "conspiracy" to kill Halbach and frame Avery for it.

So wouldn't that make you a conspiracy theorist?

Edit: Needed more.

Three years ago, CV came to his own conclusion that viewers of MaM who called for a new trial were shilling for SA and BD, whom he labeled "sex murderers".

He has also came to the conclusion that those who support SA and BD in their fight against injustice are "sex murder groupies". The above is a direct verbatim quote from CV on the subject.

Three years later, and many, many, many "facts" highlighted (lol), he's STILL fighting the good fight and championing the noble cause to keep these "sex murderers" off of the streets of a country not his own. He has dedicated an unimaginable amount of his life to posting in multiple forums on the subject in what appears to be an attempt to thwart the "sex murder groupies" from achieving their goal - something that all sex murder groupies crave - ...a new trial.

SA and BD are in jail and have been for over a decade because of a conviction earned on what he believes is solid proof of their guilt. So his extensive efforts seem to be in order to prevent a new trial or exoneration from occurring as they could not possibly be based on fact but only based on what seems to be his belief of "propaganda", lies, and money motivation, all being perpetuated by the greed of a pro-bono lawyer and 2 documentarians. CV feels the pro bono lawyer and documentarians efforts are further supported by hundreds of thousands of "sex murder groupies" and conspiracy theorists, all been brainwashed by the documentary, and have taken to the internet forums.

And WE are the conspiracy theorists.

Nothing further your honor.

Yes.

Given that there is no forensic evidence of any sex angle (only the coerced 'confession' from the learning disabled teen) it's just corpus vile filling in the details with his imagination - honed from thousands of hours watching slasher movies where the murderers are the 'heroes'.

That accusation makes no sense - among the people who are fighting for justice for Brendan and Steven are people who don't believe they are murderers - so it is bat**** insane to accuse people of being 'murder groupies' if they support people thought to be innocent.

[QUOTE=lostinthesaus;53144017]Edit: Needed more.



Nope. Amanda Knox thread as in the one you started stalking me on.


Next two paragraphs dribble ergo ignored

There is solid proof of their guilt hence the convictions. You don't know the diff between opinion & established fact.

Rest of your post more irrelevant dribble so ignored. Still waiting for evidence MCLE murderers & Griebach lying. You have nothing but raving.

Okay so then you are indeed a conspiracy theorist despite your rhetorical question& like your fellow murderer groupies you need to learn the meaning of words. Jasus you're thick btw.

My theory is LE conspired to frame SA and BD.

Your theory is that the documentarians conspired to "make a buck" engaging in innocense fraud in the SA case and that "murder groupies" are now shilling for "Cuddly Steve". Here is a direct verbatim quote or two on the subject:

You lose by default.

That's what losers do.

You have zero evidence of this & I suspect you admire deep down what Avery & Dassey did, hence your cheerleading for them. Either that or you're unutterably stupid but I strongly suspect the former.

Yep, which unlike your burblings is backed up by instances of fact such MAM's deception which has already been thoroughly highlighted itt & is a million miles removed from what you were ranting earlier, you semi coherent weirdo.




Yet another murderer groupie trope, to regard the murder of a young woman as some sick game for their entertainment with "winners" & "losers".
You & the rest of your ilk are truly pathetic, morally barren piss poor excuses for human beings.

The only person ITT who seems to think Steven is 'cuddly' is corpus vile.

I think he has a secret crush on Steven and tries to disguise it by acting all angry.

Dexter level clean up. 2 sub 100 iq guys clean a crime scene to pure perfection. But I guess it could be a fair argument that LE was just too incompetent to detect things.

If it were pure perfection they wouldn't have gotten caught...

You're not really addressing the point of my post. If Avery is guilty, then Dassey at the very least helped him with the clean up. I pointed out why, we know he was helping with a fire and cleaning the garage. We know the same area where avery had a fire is where they found Teresa's remains, we know a bullet from averys gun was found in his garage with her DNA on it. The same garage they were cleaning. Luminol testing reacted to several areas in the garage but reacted very strongly to a 3x3 area where Dassey told police she was shot.

You must admit that IF Avery is guilty, Dassey AT LEAST helped him clean up the murder.

Right, little do people think this question is actually tougher for them to answer. How was all this evidence planted without anyone knowing?

Think about it, we can for the sake of argument say that none of these people were working together and Avery is just the most unlucky man in the history of the universe, but we still have a lot of moving parts.

**blood, rav 4 and remains***
*someone had to get blood from avery shortly after he bled
*someone had to plant the blood in the rav 4, after planting the rav 4 then remove the license plates from the rav 4 and plant them elsewhere in the salvage yard (this is extremely risky for killer)
*the same person that planted the rav 4 had to burn Teresas body elsewhere and return to the scene of the crime again to plant her burned remains in averys pit. (rather than just planting her body somewhere)
^Lets be generous and say that this was one person. The killer.

***Key***
*someone from LE had to find Teresas key
*hold onto the key during the first search of the trailer, not knowing they'd return and plant it in avery's bedroom in a super awkward place to explain. Rather than just putting it in bookshelf or in avery's jeans
*Then plant avery's dna on the key
^no one from LE entered Teresas apartment that searched the trailer, so this has to be at least 2 people. Lenk/Colborn to plant and one of the detectives that entered her apartment.

***Bullet***
*now someone has to plant a bullet in the garage.
*They have to plant Teresas DNA on the bullet.
*They have to know it came from averys gun. What if it was Chucks gun? They'd have a tough time explaning how Avery got Chucks gun, shot Teresa, then returned Chucks gun.
^Two different officers found the bullet, and a third officer collected the bullet. So you have at least 3 people here, the two that found the bullets and the one that planted the dna. If you want to say SC planted the DNA than you still have 3 people.

***Teresas personal items***
*Someone had to either burn her personal items elswhere and plant them, or find her burnt items elsewhere and plant them.


So we have all this vs two people cleaning up most of a crime scene. Do you really think that is less likely, than all these moving parts doing all of the above and no one noticing?

Except it wasn't pure perfection it's why both were caught & being dumb/sloppy enough to get caught isn't exculpatory evidence. Prisons are full of such types it's why they're in prison.

Yes, the complete absence of any evidence of a struggle or even the presence of the victim in the house or garage where the crimes were allegedly committed is a big stumbling block for me.

As a juror I would have very reasonable doubts.

Someone would have had to have known the RAV4 was in fact Teresa's & also would have had to have been named in the lawsuit as the alternative explanation is that a presumed member of LE decided engage in such risk & potential repercussions risking their career & freedom to help other corrupt LE by planting the Rav4 on Avery's property.

The burning of the body is indeed ridiculous within a frame up theory context for the reason you stated. Much easier & far less time consuming to simply leave Teresa's non burned body on Avery's property.

People who seem to think it is outrageous to consider or that it's vanishingly unlikely cops would help other cops bend and break the law don't seem to have read a newspaper or watched the news in the past 50 years.


But then, some of these same people think the existence of appeals courts enshrined in the US Constitution are a part of 'innocence fraud' which questions the results of low level court decisions.

That's not what anyone is saying. They're saying it's vanishingly unlikely that it happened in this specific case.

Obviously, before anyone could be put in prison for conspiring to put a citizen in jail one would need evidence that made the case beyond reasonable doubt.

But in fraleyight's post above he constantly refers to 'someone seeing' something as if a cop seeing another cop bend or break the rules (deviating from protocols) would automatically cause a cop to turn another cop in. Anyone who has any knowledge about real life events knows that isn't true - cops tend to stick up for other cops and look the other way on shady behavior due to an 'us against them' attitude.

In this case it does look like fraleyight is trying to claim that it is outrageous to suggest a conspiracy is very possible and worthy of consideration.

Correct, as far as I can tell it is not worthy of consideration.

There are indeed isolated incidents of police planting evidence but as far as I am aware there is nothing compared to this. We would need multiple people working independently with others to plant evidence, as well as the killer returning to the place where he is planting evidence multiple times to plant more.

This would violate any good way of executing logic. It is extremely more likely that Avery just killed her and that is why we have the evidence we do.

Again with its willful misinterpretation with what people said and willful misconstruing of the points raised which again is yet another reason I have it on ignore. Nobody is saying there isn't corrupt elements of LE. But to help those who weren't even employed by the county at the time of Teresa's murder, over a lawsuit due to a wrongful conviction which occurred when some of the investigators in Teresa's disappearance & murder weren't LE themselves is wildly improbable & not a shred of evidence exists for a frame up anyway.