***Kratz: Let me ask you something Mr. Hillegas, why would you center, or why would you direct some of your search efforts around the Avery property?
Hillegas: Well, mostly for the fact that, you know, the media had covered so much of it, you know, all you’d heard about, you know, around the Avery property and…I believe by that point, we had known that, you know, her last kind of whereabouts was in that neck of the woods
Kratz: So even as an untrained law enforcement officer, you knew to look for the last place she was seen alive, is that right?****

Aren't we all untrained law enforcement officers?

Thanks to foghaze of Reddit fame, TTM.
Oh Ryan.......
https://www.reddit.com/r/TickTockMan...ial_testimony/

the gist of it....... Ryan is also questioned about why he gave Pam of God Pagel's phone number the day the RAV was found. He musters up the biggest fabricated excuse stating, "the coverage was horrid out at ASY and my calls would drop every minute when I was there". Just a few questions later he claims he had never stepped foot at Avery's Salvage in his life prior to the RAV even being found! If he gave the number to PAM because coverage was bad how could he possibly know this if he had never been there in his life? This is one of dozens of contradictions.
Here is the link to the pretrial hearings. Ryan's testimony begins on page 1039. I highly recommend this for further discussion.
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...s-combined.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_A...t_shop_murders

***False confessions

Austin police admit that over fifty people, including McDuff on the day of his execution, had confessed to the yogurt shop murders. A confession in 1992 by two Mexican nationals, held by Mexican authorities, was soon disputed and finally ruled false.[4]***

Nobody innocent would ever admit to their guilt of a crime...

I also like how he figured out the voice mail password by trying something "based on TH's sisters' birthdays." Who the hell knows the birthdays of their ex girlfriend's sisters? I barely know my own sister's birthday.

I started reading out of curiosity. First witness, Pamela Sturm, for preliminary hearing, ten days after she find the car. She was with car for 20 minutes before police came and a private investigator.

Does she really forget that there are 2 extra doors? If so, how can you trust anything she says months later. She tries to open the doors and they are closed and then calls and asks the Sheriff is she can enter the vehicle. This is like a bad fiction novel. Really bad.

No wonder they had to get a confession out of anybody on go on TV.

***Q. Did either of you use tissues or anything like that?
A. No.
Q. The vehicle was locked?
A. That's correct.
Q. Did -- Were all the doors tried?
A. The two, the passenger door and the driver's door, were tried.
Q. For the front seat?
A. Pardon me?
Q. For the front seat?
A. There are only two doors.
Q. Oh, it's only a two-door vehicle?
A. I believe so.***

Well that settles it for me. He knew her sister's birthday. Lock the mother****er up!

That settles it for me. She forgot how many doors the car had. Lock the bitch up!

Obviously Sturn and Hillegas are the real killers. The evidence is truly overwhelming.

She found the car very fast because she was a trained PI who could find the car just from the model in the middle of thousand of cars , she doesnt know if the car had 2 doors or more.
You dont think it s a bit conflicting ?

God works in mysterious ways

"it was her sister's birthday"


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...... Etc not gonna keep going

Not to mention afterwards, he now no longer knows what her birthday was?

She is a private investigator. You think she forget the number of doors after 3 days to the homicide victim's car? And if she did forget something that simple, that was an important identification mark, what else can you trust? Do you really believe that God showed her the way? The odds of her walkikg straight to the car there in 20 minutes were nil.

No evidence of guilt just some weird statement made after the prosecution prepared them to hide the shady stuff in court and as soon as the defense question them a bit they become inconsistant and as everything else in this case you have way more questions than answer.

You mean like 9 months later she recalls, out of the blue, she used tissue paper to try to open the 2 or 4 doors...

I know. Him knowing her sister's birthday is very strong evidence that he's the killer, but forgetting it afterwards just puts the icing on the cake. He's definitely guilty.

But doing a bit of research on the case, I found out that Avery told the police he didn't have a bonfire the night Halbach went missing. Him forgetting he had a bonfire is certainly also suspicious.

I can't really tell which of these points to give more weight to - Hillegas forgetting her sister's birthday or Avery forgetting he had a bonfire. Can you help me out with this?

Or maybe Hillegas and Avery were in it together? That would certainly explain everything very nicely. Do you guys think this is a possibility?

Why not give weight to the fact that MCSD cannot/will not write a report on time ever when S.A. is concerned, yup happened in 1985 too.
Btw S.A. never denied having a fire on the 31st Oct 2005, he only denied aving a bonfire.

#Opossum

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...riff-Pagel.pdf

Why isn't there any concern that TH may be alive?

Why about the private investigator calling the search team leader that sent her out there?

Was every single search team person provided a direct number to the Sheriff or just the last one to the party?

Wasn't the car on the outskirts? Not in the middle of thousands of cars?

Here is a map of the yard, even beeing lucky with your starting location not really knowing how the car look(she doesnt even know how many door) it s not an easy task at all. Variance maybe she got lucky, considering all the shenanigans her beeing pointed to the right direction doesnt seem unlikely
http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgur...h=920&biw=1680

Very interesting, but what does it have to do with my theory of Avery and Hillegas being in cahoots?

OK so The post I quoted, this part I left out, you were actually serious OK, I'm gonna need more details from you before I make an opinion on it.

I think you should explain your thought process here. The more detail the better, thx.

Its funny that men forget birthdays all the ****ing time, yeah ok ryan, & Considering that he had called T.H. service provider I call B.S. Also some stupid **** on SAIG said he must be innocent because R.H. is a nurse, lOl.

I hope R.H.is not talking to K.Z. because then he will know what it feels like when MCSD & state officials are looking for an out.

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You can tell the state is really afraid of these tests, doing everything that they can to keep them from happening.
What are you basing that on?
I am not sure the opinion that the State is afraid is dependant on court filings.
One thing that comes to mind to support that idea is the fact that the State has puckered up nice and tight. They have refused to say anything. Why has no one openly come out and said, for the record, We will swiftly welcome any and all scrutiny in the interest of justice and truth.'
Avery has the funds, and is willing to pay for every test done.
The quicker they allow this extensive testing to be done, the faster they can set this whole conspiracy theory to rest.
Fallon's letter to the Judge:
This should give the State ample time to locate and inventory all items which are the subject of the Defendant's Motion. Additionally, this should provide the State with time to determine which items are covered by the April 4, 2007, Preservation of Blood Evidence and Independent Defense Testing Order entered by Judge Patrick L. Willis at the conclusion of Defendant's trial,"
Ample time? To inventory and locate the items that are listed and extensively detailed in Zellner's Motion for Post-Conviction Scientific Testing?
I think the issue here is, the State is very aware that Zellner has them by the balls.
If she didn't, they would have given a press conference the very day after Zellner's motion was filed. They, by all rights, should have been eager to get out in front of the story to confirm their confidence in the convictions, as well as the work that lead to those convictions.
Nothing yet. Why ? Do they not want to do what they can to clear the names of these good, honest family men, whose honor has been besmirched by this incredibly biased documentary?
Or maybe even they would want to offer a quick explanation for why they only used presumptive testing - not confirmatory tests? Something that was available at the time. Something that should have supported the State's theory. Something that now will come back to bite them in the ass.
Presumptive tests do not have the specificity to allow definitive identification of the body fluid a DNA profile was developed from. So, as Zellner has said, she expects the test will reveal the 'sweat DNA' is actually saliva. Also, the DNA on the key, is it also saliva? Would that add up the State's theory? Avery sucks the key before hiding it in the cabinet?
Fallon is sweating like mad. He needs ample time to locate the evidence!? Sounds good, right?
Zellner has laid it all out for him in the motion. She was very precise on what would be needed. They are clearly not eager. No one has publicly said they would welcome the testing in the interest of setting this controversy to rest. Why?
'... Mr. Avery is therefore requesting to test the remaining 17 nanograms from the hood latch swabs to definitively determine whether the DNA profile is from blood, epithelial cells, or saliva.
Zellner knows, right down the nanogram, how much DNA there is.
They are afraid. They are very afraid.

I would love to see R.H. face when reading this post.
Sweat much Ryan? Hope you wore gloves in Nov 2005, oh you didn't as we have news footage, lOl A lot of good that training done.

I am not necessarily a big fan of retesting. Every person in jail will demand to have every piece of evidence tested every year as they claim technology has improved.

The appeals court will be flooded with motions.

Even though SA is paying for the tests, there are huge costs for the state. They have to make sure all evidence was housed properly, inventoried, review the order, and get back the evidence in the same manner to be tested again in the future.

Buyer be ware.

I thought it was a fundamental part of being a human. And was mostly common in Americans "you only fail if ya stop trying". No?