What some of you are accusing the police of is more than just planting evidence, they are essentially staging an entire crime scene in your opinion correct? That pretty crazy considering there was barely time to plan anything.

Zellner said she had one guilty guy in her career who fooled her and that she's doing her best so it doesnt happen again: could be PR could be true aswell, no one can deny she is super experienced in that matter.

From the beginning most people itt thought that case was at best a case of massive incompetence and at worse some hardcore framing. When the innocence project and zellner took the case and started confirming that yeah the framing looked real, I cannot see how people can justify beeing so sure of avery's guilt and not consider that the framing wasnt that unlikely.

Your analysis lack alot of context, they did it before, people who should have had nothing to do with the new case were major actors in the discovery of some major evidences found in really sketchy ways.

Doesnt seems that hard to plan if you they had the car a few days before the official discovery, and started to plant stuff where nothing happend while not investigating where the real murder scene was.That kinda limit the risk of conflicting informations

Even people who believe Avery is guilty would have to be ******ed to believe the official story.

How much time do you think is required?

If Colburn reported the car on the 3rd and it's not officially 'found' until the 5th, that's a couple of days.

What does your Magic 8 Ball tell you is the time required to decide something?

Police documents show Steven is a suspect in a homicide within a couple of hours after Teresa is reported missing - before her car is even found. Before anyone had any evidence there was a murder. So it looks like these cops are quite capable of making quick decisions.

That's a pretty crazy things for cops to do when for anyone innocent knows Teresa could pull her RAV4 into the driveway and start telling everyone about the wonderful surprise trip she took to Green Bay.

The Magic Key doesn't appear until the 8th.

Four months later they begin coercing statements from Brendan.

The bullet fragment isn't required until March 2006.

Pff you got fooled by a manipulative documentary.

I've only skimmed through

Are there people who actually believe the cops had the car 2 days before it was found on the Avery property?

Even if that were true, much better than being fooled by a drug addicted DA who had to leave his job for raping women who appear in court.

Looking at the rogues gallery of creeps who've lined up to put Brendan and Steven in prison versus the very respectable people who've taken up the cause of keeping them out, I much prefer the company.

There's evidence which indicates the car was 'seized' a couple of days before it was publicly 'found'.

FFS, the 1985 case was a mistake, not a frame-up. It was the days before DNA testing. Avery was a known violent felon who lived in the area and bore a strong resemblance to the real perpetrator.

I'm aware the date was wrong.....

But are there people who actually believe the cops had the car two days before it was found on the Avery property?

And your evidence that this happened is the date on an intake form.

Do you see a problem here?

The question is which date is wrong.

In combination with Colburn reporting the license plate on the 3rd, and Steven being listed as a suspect in a homicide on the 3rd, some people might start seeing a pattern.

Yes, the resemblance is uncanny!

It's like if they coerced the victim deposition to frame avery. I wonder where I saw that before.

FYI it was beyond a mistake... There was a concerted effort to make evidence fit him directly with absolute disregard for any other suspects. Not to mention people after he was exonerated STILL BELIEVE HE COMMITTED THE CRIME.

And of course there was the call saying that btw you have the wrong dude which went ignored for 10 years.


Just a mistake though. A mistake with a sketch artist who has only ever drawn one sketch and ****ing framed the goddamn thing.

A weird phone call that was never explained, a paper confirming what people suspected about that weird phone call, the guy who made the suspicious phone call keep finding key evidence after the fact when nobody is watching him and while he is not allowed to be by himself on the property.
Do you send someone to jail with thoses informations ofc no , do you investigate it seriously definitly.

...then invited the rape/beating victim over to his house to see the sketch that he hung on his wall.

The documentarians didn't set out to make a documentary about every day occurrences. This case is completely unique in many ways. OBVIOUSLY the occurrences that took place are not normal.

However,...

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence both physical and circumstantial that point to a framing, corruption and lies. In fact, when Zellner presents her case and new info comes to light, this will go down as one of most ridiculous investigations that has ever taken place.

You bring up the word "malicious." While malice may be a part of the equation, it is self-preservation that is the dominating factor here. LE's motive to do what has been done to SA is so incredibly obvious, it's amazing it goes completely unacknowledged by the guilters ITT. At the same time, a motive for SA to perpetuate this crime is completely absent and in fact, the motive to NOT commit this crime at watershed moment in his life is evident.

This is utterly false. Your claims here have been thoroughly debunked 8 months ago. I will leave it to you to do your own research on the subject but just consider that SA was arrested for the murder of TH just days before the 2 most important individuals from LE implicated in the 1985 framing and continued, knowing false imprisonment of SA were to be deposed. We will never know the full extent to which LE and certain individuals would have been held accountable and YES, all or some of them had their personal assets and careers at risk. It's just waaaaay too convenient of a time for SA to phone order a murder victim for no apparent reason other than "well, he's a monster." It's like you have convinced yourself of this in order to fill a giant void in this story so that it's okay for LE to do what they've done.

Who are these people you speak of that still believed he committed the crime?
Please provide sources, because I've never seen one person say this.


Whoever these people are, I'm guessing they think the evidence (one pubic hair) was planted or the tests were faked, but of course that's just delusional conspiracy nonsense.

It's in the documentary that you claim to have watched.

LAWYER: Well do you take DNA evidence that is done by the State Crime Lab can become the basis for vacating a judgement of conviction of Steven Avery, is that enough for you to know that Steven Avery did not commit this assault?
KUSCHE: No. Where did the evidence come from? That's all I'm asking.
LAWYER: You doubt the DNA examination....
KUSCHE: ...that it was matched? I believe it was a match. Has DNA evidence been fabricated before? Yes.

The cops bro still think he did it or at least claimed to think he did it. Did you even watch the documentary?

And the 20+ eye witness alibis, oh and not to mention an already committed sex offender with no alibi and confirmed in the area and already under surveillance for committing these types of acts to WHOM THE DNA MATCHED!- nonsense.

GTFO.

Look how far you've fallen. Someone is legit asking if you've seen the documentary lololol.

Avery was a known violent criminal and sketchy character who lived in the area and fit the description (and in fact was very similar in appearance to the actual perpetrator). Under the circumstances any police officer would have considered him a strong suspect and looked him up.

In fact, the police involved took it too far and developed tunnel vision. The sketch artist may have drawn the composite with a specific suspect in mind, which is obviously a no no. Not trying to defend anyone's actions here. It was a **** show. Calling it a mistake doesn't excuse anyone. Professional investigators owe it to the public not to make such mistakes.

But at the same time, you even admit that the police BELIEVED HE COMMITTED THE CRIME. That makes it a mistake, not a frame up.