No. You are wrong.

Sorry. Try again.

what a thin-skinned shill you are turning out out to be.

No. Not name calling.

I am not calling you "a mentally deficient."

I am saying you are possibly "mentally deficient." That conclusion is based on your hair-brained posts in this thread. It is a description.

Well, considering your self-imposed exile from the thread lasted about 10 minutes, I guess your break will be about 2.

By the way, you really need to learn how to read. You are completely wrong about your statement that I am "lying about you."

First of all, I don't need to lie about you. I think you are an idiot (yes, name calling), and have never been shy about saying so. I believe a lot of other people think you are an idiot as well.

Go cry somewhere else.

Maybe you can answer Oski, because AngerPush has been absent.

Is it standard for them to IMMEDIATELY haul away the RAV-4 to the "Crime Lab".

This potentially could have been the crime scene. They didn't even open the RAV-4 until it got to the LAB. I don't see how this could be standard.

fraley pretty much ruined the thread single-handed.

It's too much of a Custerfluck to even be worth looking here for any news on the case.

I don't know. There could have been a number of factors playing into the decision. In any event, I don't see how difficult it would be for the investigators to justify doing that if the decision was made to preserve evidence (e.g. weather, or fear of the scene drawing big crowd, etc.).

If you looked at this decision in a vacuum, I don't see it as being a big deal; however, given the history of the local LE and SA, I can see where it would invite questions.

No. Fraley single-handedly saved the thread by linking documents that nobody else would ever have thought of linking (and he even threw in his unique opinions on each for free).

I'm like 90% sure I read somewhere that it was raining that night (Nov 5th).

I'm sure I read that in testimony somewhere, but I'm not going looking.

IF & its a big if you had read the transcsript's from BD trial you would see that there is NO physical/forensic evidence pointing to BD. NONE NADA. Or the fact that NO DNA OF BD was ever found in SA trailer.

If you also read the link above & many others ITT to see how badly the investigation was. 1st year forensic's students could have done a better job, like:-
1: Photo's of bones in the yard.
2: Waiting for the crime lab & coroner before moving/touching the burned bones.
3: Documenting were exactly the bones were found(they were 30ft apart & who knows if they were even in the fire pit)
4: Not removing the SUV before the crime lab documented it.(they did not even know at this time if it TH was murdered.
5 No tread Photo's of the RAV4 taken on SA property(or behind his property) or any photo's of tread marks in the quarry.(to eliminate P.D vehicles)

Need more?
How about No luminol testing on BD jeans or SA trailer/garage or ANYTHING ON SITE.
Coroner BANNED from crime scene/WTF?
Need more?

If you do then why are you even on a gambling site & cannot see the OBV?
Imo you are either trolling here or are so blindsided that shoddy police work took place & you just cannot admit that THEY MESSED UP a murder investigation & the MCSD are to blame for the fact that the Halbach's will at some point have to re-live the horror of 10/31/2005.

Call yourself a poker player, looooooooooooool.

Yeah, there was some testimony that it had been raining. Still doesn't make sense to me at all. Shouldn't be that tough to preserve the potential murder scene from being effected by weather.

Tread/tire Marks & foot prints are some of the most important piece's of any investigation at the start.
But who's foot prints were they?
Also why was there no Dirt/gravel analysis? (to see if SUV was in the quarry.)

No-one should have been within 25/30 feet of the SUV before the crime lab covered or started documenting the crime scene & pam strum knew that thats why she ran away.

If by ran away, you mean offered to go inside the car, then yes, she ran away.

^^After being told by the MCSD that she could not go near the car she said on the stand that she got away ASAP.


Other interesting reddit posts about some calls.. Put this up for Microbet as its piece's never seen before. Just a pity there's no actual dates provided.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...calls_made_to/

Yo Saus you need to read this reddit link.

Forensic Genetics opinion on the DNA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...he_flawed_dna/

More clarification on the EDTA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurd...the_edta_test/

How does her being in the back of her car fit in with Avery killing her, and her bones being in the burn pit?

I'm guessing it wasn't exactly the refutation you were hoping for, eh?

Guy quite reasonably says he does not want to converse with you anymore in any way. Your response is to demand an apology from him before carrying on the discussion..

Another perfect example of the level of your thought processes.

Avery sat in prison for 18 years and thought about how to get revenge, his plan didn't go exactly as planned but probably better then he could've imagined.

The same way him raping Patty B. fit with 16 people testifying he was with them during the time of the rape.

The same way BD's story fits with all the forensic evidence they found.

The same way him calling TH using *67 fits with being a monstrous murderer.

She was in the back of the car because they originally took her down to the pond to dump the body but the pond was dry, so they brought her back to burn her body. According to BD confession.

Also, I didn't demand an apology before he said he wanted to stop conversing with me. but I don't care. I see what kind of person he is. SO whatever.

fraleight you think the brutal rape murder blood everywhere story that BD told 3 months after the crime is closest to what happened?

You have some issues with reading comprehension.

Which leads to your post above. Again, the problem is that you don't read very well. I did not misrepresent anything you said and I am not going to apologize for your poor reading skills.

Avery is innocent because he for most people havent really been proven guilty.
Now most people still think rightfully that he is one of the main suspect and a real police investigation might have lead to a proper conviction.
Instead of using innocent here i think talking about him as only a suspect would be more accurate and understandable. he was still arguably the last personn to see her, was potentialy violent and got a decent ammount of evidences leading to him , now knowing what evidence are reliable because of utter incompetence and potential framing is way harder.
The fact that the DA oversold some terrible theory doesnt mean they dont exist, they just dont have been looked into.

And people know that because obviously they found avery and dassey's DNA in the car to coroborate that, ohh no nvm they cleaned the car of both their DNA but at the same time left some obvious blood stain.