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01-29-2016 , 07:47 AM



Seems like I wasn't the only one calling shenanigans on looking at the jury while giving answers.

Big Jerry lettin'em know what's up.





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01-29-2016 , 07:57 AM


2 non-MC evidence collection techs on scene admitting to not being able to do much because of the weather and had nothing to do, even though they are more than qualified to do the search of SA's trailer.

Big Jer giving them the business...

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01-29-2016 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
So I read all of the DNA lady's testimony last night. Seriously, everything about this case and the way the police handle it is loony.

Clifs of her testimony;

- She's a "supervisor" of sorts at the DNA lab

- Her time is split about 70% of the time doing actual analysis, and 30% administrative work

- There are ~12 analysts in the DNA lab

- The caseload for their lab, and all labs in Wisconsin is on the rise

- The contamination rate in their testing is also on the rise

- She performed analysis and gave testimony in the 1985 trial, with regards to hairs found on the victim that she linked to SA

- She also performed the work in 2003 that exonerated SA with the new technology available

- Part of her job is to assign work to the other analysts

- They do not to blind testing. With that I mean, they typically know full well who's test they are conducting

- She chose to do the SA case testing herself

- She tested over 100 different items, with the exception of the bullet (tested later than much of the other evidence), none of the evidence tested ever put TH in the trailer or garage

- She wrote down on her notes from phone calls surrounding the bullet with the investigators "try to put TH in the garage"

- The desks they use in the crime lab had cabinets, in which they put some of their active cases.

- She kept many DNA items relating to the SA case in her cabinet

- Their lab employs a protocol that has them introduce a negative control that stays through the testing process

- The job of the negative control is to let the analyst know whether or not the test gets contaminated. If DNA shows up in the negative control, the test has been contaminated.

- She uses a "buffer" method to extract the DNA off the bullet. This means she submerses the bullet in liquid, and any alleged DNA on the bullet is then transferred to the liquid for testing.

- The "buffer" method makes it basically impossible to re-extract in the event of an issue with the test.

- The negative control is introduced after the "buffer" process.

- They test many different DNA samples at the same time, in a bank of tubes. That is to say, the test on the bullet was ran simultaneously with other tests.

- At the end of the test, the negative control came back contaminated with DNA

- According to their own lab's protocol, she should deem the results inconclusive based on that alone.

- She knew full well the probative value of TH's DNA being found on the bullet

- She decided to put in an exception report, that gets peer reviewed and reviewed by her supervisor, in an effort to draw conclusions from her contaminated test.

- She had literally, not once, ever asked for an exception report before in her career, despite the fact that she had what appeared to be a higher contamination rate, or at least more instances of contamination, then others in the lab.

- She could only think of one other, apparently undocumented time, where another person in her lab filed for an exemption.

- She had been subject to an efficiency test, from an outside independent firm, around the same time she conducted the test on the bullet, and it came back partially contaminated
Nah, def nothing wrong with any of that.

One of my most WTF moments was the reveal of the bolded. Just unreal.
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01-29-2016 , 08:14 AM
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pg 112: Qualified evidence collection technician/photographer stating he was not able to take pictures of any of the crime scenes before they were altered as well as email Fassbender about his concerns regarding this aspect of the investigation.
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01-29-2016 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz

It's ironic that Buting and Strang now claim that they wanted more science-minded folk on the jury. I think if that were the case, the deliberations would have been much shorter.

It's really ironic how you fight so vehemently that we could not possibly know better than the jury who heard the case as we weren't there and therefore are all wrong.
Yet now you're hinting you know better than Buting and Strang, the only real competant fully believable characters in all of this. High opinion of yourself much?
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01-29-2016 , 08:41 AM


First search of SA's trailer is 3 hours. LOL PoorSkillz....

There have already been 2 extremely qualified evidence techs / photographers testify that not only were they there, they "had time to kill" because of the weather. They are just waiting for the tow truck to come haul away the RAV 4 (which, btw, hasn't even been opened yet! That doesn't happen until it's back at the Crime Lab. Yeah, THAT Crime Lab that J-Butes filed the ethics report on.)

Yet the three people with the most to gain from SA's guilty verdict are assigned to search SA trailer. This is just so outlandish it's unreal. An officer from Calumet County is ALSO assigned to the trailer, but his job his job is NOT to server the search warrant nor is it to search for Teresa Halbach who might be alive. You might think, "well, his job is to collect evidence - but you would be wrong. His job is to WATCH the three MC officers conduct the search. 1 Calumet, 3 Manitowoc. This makes absolutely no sense.

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01-29-2016 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by marke.
It's really ironic how you fight so vehemently that we could not possibly know better than the jury who heard the case as we weren't there and therefore are all wrong.
Yet now you're hinting you know better than Buting and Strang, the only real competant fully believable characters in all of this. High opinion of yourself much?
Hey buddy, relax a little. No, I'm not hinting I know better than Buting and Strang. I'm hinting they're full of ****.

When did defense attorneys become known as bastions of truth? I guess when a Netflix show portrayed them as gods. Except now the transcripts are available...

I take everything Buting and Strang (and Kratz) say with a grain of salt.
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01-29-2016 , 09:02 AM


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Hmmm...Colborn and Lenk collecting blood from Avery's trailer before the RAV 4 has even been opened yet.
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01-29-2016 , 09:32 AM


Odds that SHERRY "It's 5 o'clock somewhere" CULHANE invalidates the 2nd most important DNA test she's ever done: 1/5000

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01-29-2016 , 09:55 AM


Bet you didn't know they were swabbing all kinds of Avery blood at the Crime Lab that fateful November, 2005

Guaranteed there's no EDTA in that blood.


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01-29-2016 , 11:51 AM
Watched Pam Smart documentary yesterday.. that bitch is guilty too.
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01-29-2016 , 12:00 PM
Who's Pam Smart?
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01-29-2016 , 12:01 PM
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Seems like I wasn't the only one calling shenanigans on looking at the jury while giving answers.

Big Jerry lettin'em know what's up.





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LOL trying to communicate effectively = shenanigans.

Is going to law school and learning how to give a good closing argument "shenanigans"?
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01-29-2016 , 12:01 PM
It would be pretty funny to take a pole of people IIT, I would bet the vast majority of people saying SA is definitely guilty would be the same people saying Knox was obviously innocent
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01-29-2016 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
Who's Pam Smart?
Google her, she was this lady that convinced these teenagers to murder her husband. One of which was a student at the school she worked at. She claims they murdered her husband out of jealousy because she wanted to break off the relationship. Pretty interesting actually, it was the first trial televised in its entirety in the US.
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01-29-2016 , 12:36 PM
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It would be pretty funny to take a pole of people IIT, I would bet the vast majority of people saying SA is definitely guilty would be the same people saying Knox was obviously innocent
I do not know enough about Knox to comment.

I do think that Casey Anthony was guilty but should have been found Not guilty. OJ should have been found guilty, Zimmerman not guilty, those are some high profile trials that come to mind.

Anyway, it is not my position that SA is def guilty. it is my position that he most likely did it and it was proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That does not mean it was proved beyond no doubt. Often times people confuse this subtle difference and it amazes me.
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01-29-2016 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Anyway, it is not my position that SA is def guilty. it is my position that he most likely did it and it was proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That does not mean it was proved beyond no doubt. Often times people confuse this subtle difference and it amazes me.
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01-29-2016 , 12:43 PM
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I actually think it is you that doesn't know what it means.
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01-29-2016 , 12:45 PM
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I actually think it is you that doesn't know what it means.
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01-29-2016 , 12:48 PM
Dateline will talk about SA tonight

http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline
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01-29-2016 , 12:52 PM
This ****s still going?
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01-29-2016 , 01:20 PM
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It would be pretty funny to take a pole of people IIT, I would bet the vast majority of people saying SA is definitely guilty would be the same people saying Knox was obviously innocent
So your theory is that people who believe Amanda Knox is innocent are shills for a PR firm?

And people who believe Avery is guilty are also shills? Who has hired this PR firm to promote Avery's guilt? Is it Ken Kratz hiring the PR firm? The sheriff? Colburn? Lenk? Manitowoc Tourism Board? Maybe they're all pooling funds?

This firm is then, what, hacking people's 2+2 accounts? Or this PR firm finds dormant accounts and offers the owners money in exchange for access? Or PoorSkillz somehow found out a PR firm was promoting Avery's guilt and offered them access to his account for money?

Perhaps the simplest explanation is PoorSkillz is just a guy who really believes Avery's guilty.

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01-29-2016 , 01:53 PM
The new trend of those expert people who somehow know the absolute truth of the case and chalk up those that don't see it as shills/trolls is cool. A bunch of people trying to make sure everyone knows they are part of the in crowd.

Surprise, people have differing opinions.

I don't think skillz is anymore wrong in thinking Avery is guilty then saus is for thinking he is innocent.

The biggest problem with people like skillz or whoever comes from when they try to explain the glaring problems especially in regards to conflict of interest.
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01-29-2016 , 02:21 PM
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Pro-tip: when you've already ITT literally disagreed with the judge's thoughts on reasonable doubt (given in his instructions to the jury in the trial under discussion), it's time to stop condescendingly telling people they're using the term wrong.
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