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01-20-2016 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
Was that before or after he said that they slit her throat while she was tied down in the bed?

Scary that people like you make up juries.
He didn't say he "slit her throat" watch his confession. He said he cut her throat and cut her hair and after stevan strangled her for two minutes. Clear indication that he didn't cut her throat in a way that would kill her it was to **** with her.
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01-20-2016 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
1. The bullet was matched to a 22. Any 22.
Where are you getting that information?

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2. Steven's rifle had not been fired for a long time. I don't know how DNA works but if the rifle just sat there mounted for a long time, DNA probably falls off?
Not true, there were several casings found in the garage so he was clearly using his gun regularly.

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3. There was evidence that showed the floor was not cleaned to a very high level with products needed to clear any blood evidence. The floor had been minimally cleaned, which one would expect to happen on an auto garage floor.
Such as? What evidence?

[/QUOTE]4. Assumptions are being made about how she was killed.[/QUOTE]

Yes because one of the people who murdered her told us how he did it and evidence was found to corroborate this.. Holy ****.
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01-20-2016 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jinx702
Wonder if a .22 bullet will exit a skull.
No. More likely to bounce around inside your skull.
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01-20-2016 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight


Yes because one of the people who murdered her told us how he did it and evidence was found to corroborate this.. Holy ****.
given where the bullet was found, please present a plausible theory where these things are true:

1. The bullet landed or rolled there during the act of murdering Teresa.

2. The murder was done in such a way as to not make a huge mess (and therefore not too difficult to clean up in that garage)

3. The bullet did not have any visible blood on it, or near it.
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01-20-2016 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Where are you getting that information?

Not true, there were several casings found in the garage so he was clearly using his gun regularly.



Such as? What evidence?
4. Assumptions are being made about how she was killed.[/QUOTE]

Yes because one of the people who murdered her told us how he did it and evidence was found to corroborate this.. Holy ****.[/QUOTE]

Right and when he shows them how far he plunged the knife into her neck, that kind of wound would have produced a **** load of blood.

As for the bleach info, it was posted in this thread. There are two primary types of bleach. One destroys the protien that lights up under luminol. The other doesnt. One of the main differences is that the luminol destroying bleach does not produce the bleach stains found on Brendan's jeans
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01-20-2016 , 06:23 PM
Wondered about the book BD claimed he read, from what I read on the internet the killer did cut the hair from his victims.
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01-20-2016 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Where are you getting that information?

Not true, there were several casings found in the garage so he was clearly using his gun regularly.



Such as? What evidence?

4. Assumptions are being made about how she was killed.
Yes because one of the people who murdered her told us how he did it and evidence was found to corroborate this.. Holy ****.[/QUOTE]

You're fighting the good fight, but most of the people itt are emotionally attached to defend him regardless of the evidence. It's really pointless at this point.

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01-20-2016 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerebral
No. More likely to bounce around inside your skull.
This. Also means SA performed miracle bloodless brain surgery to dig out his trophy. I guess that's why they used a "creeper" as an operating table, to make sure no blood got anywhere.
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01-20-2016 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
1. The bullet was matched to a 22. Any 22
No, it was linked to Steven's gun by the ballistics expert.
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01-20-2016 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
Where are you getting that information?

Not true, there were several casings found in the garage so he was clearly using his gun regularly.



Such as? What evidence?
I actually don't think you watched his confessions. Did you read any of the transcripts? How can anyone of sound mind think that he is confessing to anything here? I'll spend an hour ripping this apart if you want but I suggest you actually watch the confessions as you claim you already have.

The evidence that is was not cleaned was that they also found deer blood in the garage as well as other DNA everywhere. This is like day 1 stuff man, how is this even still an option.

BD's jeans did NOT have "bleach everywhere". They had a bleach stain on them, but 0 (zero) blood or DNA.
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01-20-2016 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorSkillz
No, it was linked to Steven's gun by the ballistics expert.
I have not seen anything to refute this. I think the ballistics expert said that this fragment came from a bullet that was likely fired from SA's rifle.
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01-20-2016 , 06:41 PM
BTW,

Q. All right. Let's direct our attention, then, to 116
1 the remaining bullet, Item FL, Exhibit No. 277;
2 were you able to conduct an analysis of that
3 particular bullet?
4 A. I did.
5 Q. And were you able to make a determination as to
6 whether Exhibit 277, bullet designation FL, was
7 fired from the Marlin Glenfield .22 caliber rifle
8 in front of you?
9 A. Yes, I was.
10 Q. And what conclusion were you able to reach?
11 A. In this case, I was able to be more specific.
12 And, in fact, because of markings on the bullet
13 in State's Exhibit 277, I was able to conclude
14 that this bullet had been fired from this
15 specific gun.
16 Q. All right. So Exhibit 277 had been fired from
17 Exhibit 247?
18 A. Yes, that's correct

Testimony from the mr Newhouse in trial that concluded one of the bullet fragments did come from stevans gun.
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01-20-2016 , 06:42 PM
for those that want to read, testimoney starts on pg 82 and is pretty lengthy.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-co...-2007Mar01.pdf
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01-20-2016 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dalerobk2
You're fighting the good fight, but most of the people itt are emotionally attached to defend him regardless of the evidence. It's really pointless at this point.
Yeah because Netflix edited out the real damning evidence to make a murderer look innocent for better ratings.

WTF man? Why would we be "emotionally" attached. That's just ridiculous. I think the people fighting for the prosecution are just couldn't bare the thought of what it would actually mean if the police were this corrupt.

Just like the jury.

In all of history, I don't think you would find a more clear example of evidence planting, corrupt/incompetent police work, coercion and injustices towards the accused. It's right in front of your face.

You are right though, trying to argue for the prosecution is pointless because every single shred of evidence submitted has a strong chance of being planted, tainted or otherwise made inconclusive. Every single one.
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01-20-2016 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
I actually don't think you watched his confessions. Did you read any of the transcripts? How can anyone of sound mind think that he is confessing to anything here? I'll spend an hour ripping this apart if you want but I suggest you actually watch the confessions as you claim you already have.

The evidence that is was not cleaned was that they also found deer blood in the garage as well as other DNA everywhere. This is like day 1 stuff man, how is this even still an option.

BD's jeans did NOT have "bleach everywhere". They had a bleach stain on them, but 0 (zero) blood or DNA.
I watched the confession on march 1st. That is the only one that matters because everything after that he tried to lie then gave up when pressured.
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01-20-2016 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
Yeah because Netflix edited out the real damning evidence to make a murderer look innocent for better ratings.

WTF man? Why would we be "emotionally" attached. That's just ridiculous. I think the people fighting for the prosecution are just couldn't bare the thought of what it would actually mean if the police were this corrupt.

Just like the jury.

In all of history, I don't think you would find a more clear example of evidence planting, corrupt/incompetent police work, coercion and injustices towards the accused. It's right in front of your face.

You are right though, trying to argue for the prosecution is pointless because every single shred of evidence submitted has a strong chance of being planted, tainted or otherwise made inconclusive. Every single one.
Its called cognitive dissonance.
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01-20-2016 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
I watched the confession on march 1st. That is the only one that matters because everything after that he tried to lie then gave up when pressured.
A. I was wrong about the bullet. What I saw mentioned was that while the bullet was from the gun it was unlikely to have been used to shoot TH due to the lack of blood spatter on the rifle. My bad.

B. The police had the crime scene from Nov to the time Brendan made the confession on March 1, right? In that time, through multiple searches, no bullet was found. He then confessed to a shooting in the garage and after that point a bullet fragment was found. Is that correct?
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01-20-2016 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubey
given where the bullet was found, please present a plausible theory where these things are true:

1. The bullet landed or rolled there during the act of murdering Teresa.

2. The murder was done in such a way as to not make a huge mess (and therefore not too difficult to clean up in that garage)

3. The bullet did not have any visible blood on it, or near it.
The bullet was 5 months old when they found it, dna was found. What do you think the dna was from? Terressas pussy?

There are several ways to kill people without making a mess? Wtf? I already gave a plausible scenario here. They could have killed her on tarp for example. It is also important to note that brendan thinks when stevan shot her she was already dead. This would to my knowledge make the blood loss less severe. I have seen videos of people hacking up bodies and when the person is dead there is almost no blood.

Tell me why the bullet could not be where it was found?
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01-20-2016 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
A. I was wrong about the bullet. What I saw mentioned was that while the bullet was from the gun it was unlikely to have been used to shoot TH due to the lack of blood spatter on the rifle. My bad.

B. The police had the crime scene from Nov to the time Brendan made the confession on March 1, right? In that time, through multiple searches, no bullet was found. He then confessed to a shooting in the garage and after that point a bullet fragment was found. Is that correct?
There were two fragments that were tested from the same bullet. People when they say this are referring to the first fragment. The shell casings in the second fragment were from his gun according to the expert.
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01-20-2016 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lostinthesaus
Yeah because Netflix edited out the real damning evidence to make a murderer look innocent for better ratings.

WTF man? Why would we be "emotionally" attached. That's just ridiculous. I think the people fighting for the prosecution are just couldn't bare the thought of what it would actually mean if the police were this corrupt.

Just like the jury.

In all of history, I don't think you would find a more clear example of evidence planting, corrupt/incompetent police work, coercion and injustices towards the accused. It's right in front of your face.

You are right though, trying to argue for the prosecution is pointless because every single shred of evidence submitted has a strong chance of being planted, tainted or otherwise made inconclusive. Every single one.
The OJ Simpson case had far worse police planting of evidence. I mean those ****ers almost got away with it, but thankfully that jury was smart enough to sniff out OJ's innocence and police guilt. So SA police planting is probably #2 in history.
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01-20-2016 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
The bullet was 5 months old when they found it, dna was found. What do you think the dna was from? Terressas pussy?

There are several ways to kill people without making a mess? Wtf? I already gave a plausible scenario here. They could have killed her on tarp for example. It is also important to note that brendan thinks when stevan shot her she was already dead. This would to my knowledge make the blood loss less severe. I have seen videos of people hacking up bodies and when the person is dead there is almost no blood.

Tell me why the bullet could not be where it was found?
How and where did she die prior to being shot?
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01-20-2016 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
B. The police had the crime scene from Nov to the time Brendan made the confession on March 1, right? In that time, through multiple searches, no bullet was found. He then confessed to a shooting in the garage and after that point a bullet fragment was found. Is that correct?
They did not search the whole garage until after brendans confession. They just did a quick search. It wasn't until after they knew this was where she was murdered that they did a more detailed search. The documentary even admits this.
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01-20-2016 , 06:53 PM
Also, did brendan make any mention at any time of using a tarp or plastic covering during his interogation?
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01-20-2016 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
How and where did she die prior to being shot?
Brendan just said he thought she was dead after putting her in the car. I believe if memory serves me correctly was before she was shot. He did say stevan strangled her so that could have killed her.
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01-20-2016 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
I watched the whole thing, watched brandens confession in detail and even read some of the trial transcripts..

Few things,

branden confessed to things that he shouldn't have known with little "coercion" from police. He knew teressa was in the back seat of the rav 4 after she died, he knew that she was killed in the garage, he knew that she was burned in the fire pit, he knew that she was shot more than one time in the head, he knew that she was shot on the left side of her head, he knew that stevan had purchased shackles beforehand..
Did he even say she was shot before they told him?

What evidence is there that she was killed in the garage?

If she was killed in the garage, then why did they put her in the car?


The only thing that I'm certain about:
Brenden was coerced.
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