http://ideape.blogspot.com.au/

i have no idea if this is real but the writer is likely insane either way. recommended.

edit: update 3 was posted after i linked this. start from the bottom and read up.

Sounds like they had a great backup plan if he was found not guilty. Id take it with a grain of salt after seeing what they did to Brendan and the 14 year old cousin that lied about Brendan. They are pretty good at getting young people to tell them what they want to hear.

This is like the worst fan fiction ever.

His own relative accused him of raping her and threatening to murder her family if she told anyone... and with no other info given, you dismiss it as part of a conspiracy?

This type of confirmation bias is sickening and attests to the power of propaganda.

Who's lying: dozens of people (including his own family) or Steven Avery? The answer is really clear if you think logically.

chess,

yeah, after that last update i assume it's just a $ scam preying on the internet wanting the blood of the ex-bf.


all,

some more stuff from reddit. firstly, a reminder of a conversation that could be pretty damning:


and:

I think it would be a lot easier to believe any of this if we didn't see the police drag a false confession out of a mentally ******ed 16 year old. Since the rape accusations never came to fruition, how do we not know the police got her to "confess" this possible rape in the same way.

The best part and one of the most "obv Steven didn't do it" parts was that guy saying "Steven isn't capable of sanitizing a crime scene" I was lol'n at the ldo'ness

end of episode 5 and they hooked me with that cop calling in the license plate

I'm not going to argue with people who automatically assume anyone who accused Steven Avery is either lying or was coerced, just like I wouldn't argue with someone who believes in Ancient Aliens, 9/11 conspiracies, etc. (as there's no room for logical discussion).

Ok, finally caught up with this thread. I'll try to put my thoughts down without rambling too much. This post will contain spoilers not in spoiler tags so read at your own peril. (see what I did there?)

Do I think SA is guilty? No, most likely not. Definitely not guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Is the documentary one sided? Yes, of course. That doesn't discredit the information provided to us though. Even when you consider all of the supposed evidence and facts left out what was included is enough to give reasonable doubt. It seems like a lot of people who are talking about the evidence left out are including character traits of SA in that. The fact that he was a perverted weirdo do not prove he was a murderer.

Here are a list of things I'd like to have explained further by the DA/Investigators/internet sleuths etc. in no particular order. A lot of this has been mentioned itt already:

1. Why was SA the only person heavily looked at for the murder of Theresa? Her ex-boyfriend, brother, and the two Avery's who went hunting and alibied each other are definitely worth looking in to more. I'm sure there are others as well.

Her brothers demeanor and words are highly suspect imo. Shortly after she is reported missing he is talking about grieving. Uhhh...people don't normally grieve when someone could still be alive. Sure everybody handles situations differently but they way he described how he was holding up was definitely odd. Him and Theresa's ex seemed to immediately inject themselves into the investigation. The whole cell phone voicemail hacking situation is also pretty odd. And the fact that the judge dismissed the deleted voice mails as potential evidence is awful. His lack of understanding of technology at the time shouldn't determine what is relevant and what is not.

2. There was literally no scientific evidence found of the crime being committed where the prosecution claimed it was committed. No blood, hair, skin, or any other traces of a murder and mutilation in the bedroom or the garage. How is this possible?

3. Colburn and the license plate. His explanation of that call-in is pretty weak. I'm no expert but it didn't seem like that call was him just asking the dispatcher for info on the car they were looking for.

4. Potentially planted evidence, the key and bullet being the main pieces. Both areas had been previously searched by trained professionals. With so many people searching these locations it seems unlikely that Lenk/Colburn would be on hand to personally discover such big pieces of evidence.

5. The potentially tampered blood vial and blood in the car. The EDTA testing that was developed in such a short time when they were first told it would take months.

6. Why the Manitowoc County Sheriffs department was so involved in the investigation and prosecution of this case. There are such obvious conflicts of interest here and when their people who have the most direct conflicts of interest are making all the big evidence finds it sets of alarm bells.

7. The discovery of the car. These two women that found the Rav4 on the Avery property went almost directly to it after being given a camera and being directed to search by two people who I listed above as potential persons of interest. That property is absolutely massive. Don't tell me God led you there.

8. Lenk being on site of the vehicle and not being checked in to the log book. His variances in times given are huge.

9. All of Brendan's confession, case, conviction. It's such a travesty. He is clearly mentally handicapped and was clearly coerced. He had no clue what was going on or the implications of what he was saying. And how is he convicted of all three counts when SA was found not guilty of mutilating the body? Not a single shred of evidence points guilt to Brendan other than his false confession.


I could go on and on but I think you get my point. I'm looking forward to following this case now that it has garnered so much attention. Hopefully some of these questions will be answered in the coming days/months.

Don't think I've ever hated anyone I didn't know personally as much as that Len scumbag original lawyer of Brendan's.. Wow I wish someone would wipe that smile right off that **********'s face.

1) Teresa mentions in her video she loves her sisters and her parents, no mention of her brother. This at the very least shows they had a pretty bad relationship. I'm not close to my brother at all, but if I were to mention people I love in a video I'd definitely include him together with my parents.

2) He talks about grieving and moving on 2 days after she went missing. Most of the time, family will continue talking about their loved one in the present tense (why wouldn't you, she couldve just been kidnapped) for a long period after the person went missing. The only reason you'd talk about her in the past tense is if you somehow know she's dead, or you're just very very pessimistic.

3) He was apparently close with the ex-boyfriend, as they organized the search together right away. No sight of the sisters or the parents anywhere. They're probably too busy grieving over the death. You can also see in the interview that they are clearly helping each other with the answers. The stuttering is very weird to me, especially considering he has a degree in communication. You can clearly see he's well-spoken when he's talking to the press later on.

4) The passwords. I mean, you gotta admit there's something super fishy there. Unless Teresa took "login" and "password" for all her passwords, it seems highly unlikely that both the brother and the ex-boyfriend figured out the passwords. The boyfriend couldve easily said: "We've been dating for 5 years, I knew her password straight up". Why didn't he do that? Cos they would ask him what the password was. And of course, he doesn't know ****.

5) Just in general, it's ridiculous how much these 2 are involved in the whole process. If my brother was missing, and I found out his voicemail password, I'm running straight to the police. Why are these kids playing detective themselves? Why is the brother pushing super hard towards brandon, when it's clear to pretty much everyone on the planet that his involvement was limited at best? Why don't we ever see the mother or any of the sisters talk to the press?


I guess I didn't really answer your question regarding motive at all. But don't you think an ex-boyfriend and a clearly disliked brother have more motive than a random redneck hilbilly that's not connected her in any way except for the fact that she shoots a couple pictures of one of his cars to put in her magazine? She was actually helping his business, you know. He was trying to sell that car.

Teresa's colleague said she was getting repeated calls from someone she knew and was annoying her. She knew who it was just by looking at the phone. It could not have been Steven because steven called her using a 67 number. We also heard a phonecall in one of the episode of her calling Steven that she would be coming over in 30 minutes to make the pictures. Her voice didn't sound aggrevated at all, if anything she really wanted to make those pictures.

So, who could be the annoying caller that she knew? Certainly it couldn't be the ex-boyfriend or the brother, who later deleted some voicemails right... Maybe she hooked up with Scott the roommate, the ex-boyfriend found out and got pissed and was calling her scum in a voicemail? Certainly that would look a little suspicious in a murder case so prob best to delete those afterwards.

finding someone password when you have access to her appartment is not necessarely hard , she may save the login in her computer and use some stupid password that her ex saw her use somewhere else. The deleted voicemails not investigated at all and ignored during the trial tho is 10X more weird.

Trying to find the real murderer if steven isnt is kinda pointless and impossible, in the documentary they hand picked a few people and make them look suspicious pretending they were never investigated which is possible and seems likely but could be only for their narrative.

What is 100% sure is that the investigation and the trial were nowhere close to fair wether he is guilty or not and that seems impossible for me that they dont have a huge investigation over it and a few people dont end up fired at the very least and possibly in jail while steven is getting maybe another chance depending on what we don't know.
As for brendan at worse he should never be in jail considering he was a teenager and borderline ****** and need to be in some special institution at worse.

They both were acting bizarre throughout IMO, but that could be for all sorts of reasons.

It looks to me like they did SOMETHING shady, but who knows what. It could have been covering up a murder, or covering up a naked webcam chat they all had one drunken evening.

I'm not sure if the brother had anything to do with it, but he definitely seemed to come to the conclusion they were guilty right away like the police. Like after dassey's testimony where he conceded he made up the story, the brother says something to the effect of "well I was curious if he was going to tell the truth or not and he chose not to."

Anyone know the episode and time the ex bf was on the stand? I remember watching that and thinking everything he said was a lie.

Episode 5, brother around 30 min mark, ex boyfriend around 40 min mark.

This is a good watch btw, I love this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wlh7DiXgik

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So are you just ignoring the evidence of certain things being set up (the key, the bullet fragment, poisoning the jury well with a coerced "confession" that, oh yeah, got a borderline mentally handicapped child sentenced to life in prison, etc.)

I'm not saying the whole thing was a frame job or that the police didn't believe that Stephen was guilty, but you seem to be outright denying that terrible police work happened and that (especially in Brendan's case) a terrible miscarriage of justice happened. The rules of engagement in a murder trial is that the defendant must be proven guilty by the state beyond all reasonable doubt. Regardless of what the prosecution presented, the defense case that we saw is riddled with evidence that shows reasonable doubt that either person was guilty to the extent the law requires.

Do you disagree?

Has there ever been a trial where the family of the murdered not backed up the prosecution?

The username for Cingular accounts was the persons phone number. Most people use the same password for everything. This was even more common 10 years ago when you could use very simple passwords.

Regarding the passwords, when I watched that part i thought the hacking wasn't actually that significant. Figured ex bf hacked/guessed her passwords (maybe long ago, not just in response to the disappearance and with many many failed attempts), is somewhat proud of that fact since he's not any skilled hacker just got a little lucky, but has to actually try to be humble and cagey because what he did is possibly a minor crime in itself so he has to try and downplay that fact or walk around it a little.

or restated, it seems like he's guilty when he talks about the passwords because he is guilty...of hacking her accounts. but that doesn't necessarily implicate him further.

without any justification, i assume it was him who had been making harrassing calls to TH, had left her a bunch of voicemails, and she had saved those voicemails, possibly for some use later...and he went back through and deleted voicemails by himself that would have made him look like a stalker.

i don't think he did that because he killed her. rather that he did not kill her, but wanted to get rid of stuff that could have been a distraction to the police.

Each person grieves in their own way. There is nothing alarming about his behavior.

The first thing a juror thinks when a suspected murderer elects to not take the stand is "if you're innocent why not testify." It's about proving your innocence, not about offering up new information.

Coasterbrad,

Just a reminder, lenk didn't find the bloody bullet, the bullet was found a day after lenk searched the garage, iirc.