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09-26-2022 , 03:36 AM
I don't go to a watercooler every monday. I'm finding almost no reason to watch every Sunday other than nothing else is on. Better bring back some tittays next episode. What would even be said at the watercooler? They shift times sometimes, some guy died, some lady with a dragon baby died. Princess and Queen still don't align. Very deep stuff.

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09-26-2022 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
pro: The new Alicent actress seems like a great choice shill wise.

con: There are still some weird ass scenes in this show.
ya, thats about all there is to say. def weird.
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09-26-2022 , 07:16 AM
For those that haven't figured it out yet, House of Dragons is a "chick show" aka the target market for this show is women, not men. I think it's important to understand that in order to view it through the proper lens. The first 5 episodes were like a big soap opera (i recall one of the episodes being like a bad episode of Days of Our Lives). The most recent episode featured not 1 but 2 birth scenes, each showcasing the women's pain, and the show even went as far as showing the post-birth struggles. Then, on top of that, there was the breast milk incident. These are women's issues that many women care about and that frankly most men simply don't give 2 craps about.

I myself am a neoteric man who enjoys exploring my feminine side through a good chick show. I just don't foresee House of Dragons holding a candle to the likes of 90 Day Fiance or Real Housewives in that regard. That being said, I will continue to watch this show, simply because i need my fantasy-genre fix.

As for the episode itself, I thought it was one of the better episodes of the seasons. There seemed to be more politics at play this episode rather than just straight up soap opera drama.

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The chick who plays older Rhaenyra might be the ugliest chick I've ever seen. If they knew they were casting her, they should have casted an uglier chick for younger Rhaenyra, unless it's part of the story that her life ages her so poorly?
My initial reaction to the cast change was not positive. However, when I finally realized how big of a leap in time had taken place, older Rhaenyra reminded me of nearly every hot chick from high school (except Rhaenyra didn't gain much weight).

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Originally Posted by Chilltown
It's better than s6-8 of GOT.

That's something!

Probably 5 too
LoL, not even close to any of them. I should be rewatching all those in the next year or so, so I'll be able to give a better update. At this point, I can not imagine ever rewatching House of the Dragon.
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09-26-2022 , 01:26 PM
the show reminds me a lot of the later seasons of got. mainly because just like the later seasons, they don't have as much book material to work with. don't know if people are familiar with the books but they are basically a summary of all targaryen kings, so there's not much depth to any story. just like there wasn't much depth in the later seasons because they were working only with cliff notes. the major difference here is that grrm is more connected to the show so we have some scenes here and there that remind me of got s01.

my major complaint is still how fast things are going. just like the later seasons when a character had to go to point a to point b without nothing happening in between, the same happens here. in a single ep they:
- introduced the new actors
- created a conflict between harwin and cole
- showed us laena was pregnant
- solved the problem with harwin by killing him and his father
- killed laena and her baby.


they are going so fast we don't even have time to actually like the people they are killing off. we needed more scenes with harwin and his kids + rhaenyra to actually care about him more.

so I completely disagree with the post above (even though I'm 90% sure he's just leveling) that says this is a show for women, because it really fails at building relationships.

I'm really interested in the extra scenes from the season that had to be cut because I have a feeling they are exactly what is missing.
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09-26-2022 , 01:37 PM
the only thing worse than the stupid timeline are the birth scenes. i can do without the sounds and sights of bodily fluids post birth.

there was finally a decent cliff hanger last ep with the king dropping 'dead', but instead of any payoff, we get a time jump multiple years to a relatively healthy king....less a few parts.

it's dumb and moving quickly into 'wish i would have waited and binge watched them' territory.
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09-26-2022 , 02:02 PM
I was wondering if the baby would survive the dragon fire due to being a Targaryen, but I'm not very well-versed in all things GOT.
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09-26-2022 , 02:18 PM
Feel like there were a few too many plot holes with the burning of harrenhall. Why even use criminals if it's so easy to get in and out without getting caught?
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09-26-2022 , 02:47 PM
i got bored of this already, i might wait a couple years for a few series to be out and binge it all at once, watching one episode a week im basically skipping through most scenes - the same with rings of power.
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09-26-2022 , 05:13 PM
I stopped watching the new episodes after 2 and have been watching recap shows like AltShiftX and Heavy Spoilers.

They explain all the backstories and everything so that I don't have to inherently know what is going on.

Will probably binge the season at some point in the future when I'm bored one weekend.
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09-26-2022 , 07:17 PM
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I was wondering if the baby would survive the dragon fire due to being a Targaryen, but I'm not very well-versed in all things GOT.
from what i understand, targaryens have a slight buff against heat/fire (like starks vs cold), and daenerys being literally fireproof was a tv-only invention of probably d&d. would be surprised if they ever revisit something like that for any characters again, but who knows.
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09-27-2022 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by coordi
I stopped watching the new episodes after 2 and have been watching recap shows like AltShiftX and Heavy Spoilers.

They explain all the backstories and everything so that I don't have to inherently know what is going on.

Will probably binge the season at some point in the future when I'm bored one weekend.
Yah, the AltShiftX reviews are better than the show.

It felt like we were finally starting to get somewhere and then we time jump forward and have to reset the stage, introduce the new characters, and wait even more episodes for much to happen.

It kinda felt like things were about to kick off after episode 5, but nope, everyone just decided to chill and wait 15 more years.

Also kinda odd that House Velaryon was supposed to be so powerful and rich, but their kids ended up useless and Corlys/Rhaenys were nowhere to be found.

I'm not sure I buy that Laena would've run away with Daemon anyway. What is the appeal of Daemon? An outcast that everyone hates who can't please you sexually. I doubt one of the most powerful princesses in the realm drops everything bc he flirted a bit with her at a royal wedding. The union with Misaria made way more sense.

I think a lot of the characters have been doing stuff that doesn't really make sense or hadn't been set up well. Cristin chief among them.

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09-27-2022 , 11:23 AM
S1E6 As someone said already this is a giant soap opera. Only one strong male character out of many many characters. Also, for me no character is likeable enough to care about. I still like the dragons at least. Will still watch one more episode. Lot of unexplained inconsistent events such as :
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How come Daemon is now sexually potent? How come Cole and his baby got dumped by Rhaenyera? Why did she want these other children knowing the trouble it causes? How could Laenor allow Cole to hang around after Cole murdered his lover?

From what I can gather by quick research. even in ancient days, the life of a birthing woman with an obstructed labor could be saved by removing the fetus through the birth canal by whatever means necessary including the death of the fetus. So I'm not sure why the suicide needed to happen.
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09-30-2022 , 09:29 PM
so rhaenyra's oldest kid being criston's, does the math work there? was thinking that seems like an obvious twist considering dark hair + "is ser harwin my father?" "you're a targ, that's all that matters" + that one ep ending with her being delivered the tea and us not seeing if she drank it or not. then again, they've been setting up some obv twists then steering away, so who knows

also, gonna be mad if otto returns as hand, doesn't really making any sense. sure part of the problem was his beef with rhaenyra, and she just left town, but the bigger issue was viserys not trusting him, knowing he wants aegon on the throne. think corlys or rhaenys would make better options, maybe even that beesbury guy who's been on the council from the beginning iirc (or did he die last time jump, like mellos?). even alicent talking him into naming larys makes more sense. or hell, maybe give daemon a run at it before you die, since that's what he's wanted from the beginning, apparently. he might have a better perspective on things now

but prob more likely daemon goes to dragonstone, given that he and rhaenyra both need new slam pieces. or fight in the stepstones again??
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10-01-2022 , 12:00 AM
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so rhaenyra's oldest kid being criston's, does the math work there?

Seems unlikely. When the tea was offered, she wasn't betrothed to Laenor. So at that point having a kid would have been quite bad for her. I don't see why she wouldn't drink it. Also I'm sure Criston can do the simple math also and I think he'd figure it out. Furthermore, it seems that she and Laenor didn't get married until at least a few months after she banged Criston. Even if the kid isn't Laenor's, she can't get knocked up too much before the wedding if she wants plausible deniability. Kid really has to be Strong's.
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10-01-2022 , 12:39 AM
thanks. yeah i didn't think so, but was too lazy to work that out for myself lol
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10-03-2022 , 02:15 AM
Good episode but holy **** the lighting was terrible
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10-03-2022 , 03:00 AM
This was by far the best episode imo. I now feel like the episode where Rhaenyra and Daemon first express romantic feelings towards each other was either completely botched, or it went over my head. This episode developed them in the way that should have been done for that episode.

The scene where Rhaenyra tells her sons that it would be inappropriate to go to the funeral at Harrenhall because Hawin and Lyon Strong aren't relatives was perfect. (Although stressing this point did make it a little awkward that Larys ditched his father and brother's funeral just to remind us that he's still brooding.) I felt like this scene was the best development for her character we've seen. It shows us that Rhaenyra is pretty warped from having to maintain her lies, the burden of her position, and the constant threat to her and her children.

This made her love with Daemon make far more sense to me. They understand each other's burdens from being a Targ, and they also show that Targ narcissism: both of them are literally above the law. Daemon should have been executed for several things he's done, and if any other wife had so blatantly had the children of someone who she wasn't married to she'd probably have a similarly bad fate. Plus they are both dragonriders. Still gross, but at least their romantic feelings are fleshed out here when Rhaenyra immediately confides her great secret to him. I did not get this at all in the episode with teenage Rhaenyra and Daemon start their romantic relationship.

Aemond's flight was fun, and the ensuing fights and arguments following it were really well written.


Other that Larys my only other complaint is that incompetent guards had to be used twice in this episode. Seems like they should have figured out another way to fake Laenor's death.
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10-03-2022 , 04:37 AM
who did Daemon kill on the stairwell before the Qarl vs Laenor fight in the Hall? just some nobody?
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10-03-2022 , 04:43 AM
That was the body in the fireplace at the end filling in for Laenor, yeah some rando
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10-03-2022 , 05:45 AM
ah, that makes sense. Id say the directing of this episode was pretty bad. way too dark for much of it. and the Laenor "death" interspersed with Daemon and Rhaenrya talking was a cool concept but a little too jumpy.
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10-03-2022 , 08:39 AM
The first half of the episode had me confusing characters and understanding exactly what was going on. Halfway through I thought this was going to be another boring episode but the 2nd half had enough action for like 3 episodes. I went back and rewatched the parts of the first half that had confused me. Overall, this was a surprisingly great episode.

I'm not a big fan of dark shows/movies but it's not like they had flood lights or LEDs in Driftmark. Anyone that has watched Game of Thrones should be well accustomed to this level of lighting. The episode is perfectly viewable if you watch it in the dark.
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10-03-2022 , 09:37 AM
I think it was a good episode. Knives came out and blood was drawn. And all the whispers were now spoken in public.
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10-03-2022 , 09:55 AM
Lighting was my only complaint. Next week is another time jump which has to be one of the last, but I didn't read the books so I could be wrong. Everything is in place for chaos once the King dies. While I've liked this show so far, my expectations went up dramatically after last night's episode.
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10-03-2022 , 10:03 AM
I never understood all the fuss over the lords of driftwood being black. However I do think if they were white, the legitimacy of Rhaenrya’s children would be less in question.

They keep pointing to their brown hair, but don’t mention their 100% white. It’s kinda weird, why wouldnt they at least talk about it in the show to further prove their illegitimate. To me it’s odd they don’t, That should be the main case against.

Overall I thought it was the best half episode of the season. Once the funeral broke up, it got good and kept going.
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10-03-2022 , 11:56 AM
The kids could be fair of skin or not but for them to have dark hair is unexplainable, duh.
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