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Originally Posted by ballin4life
A few examples have already been posted. I don't know if any of them were from the last season though.
The notion that book-ranking is severely spoilerish is ridiculous and I repeat that the request for such information was made by a non-book-reader. I'd suggest that the thread developed an approach that worked to keep spoilers to a practical minimum. Spoiling wasn't done last season by aware book-readers, but either maliciously or by people who haven't been following the history of the threads.
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
Allowing book readers to post in the TV thread:
Risks: TV only viewers get spoiled outright by book info or at the least become worried about potential spoilers slipping through from book readers.
Reward: Book readers get to post stuff in the TV thread, even though they already have a book reader thread they can post in.
Wow! Straw man much?
The risk is that a small number of book readers will be spoiled before a mod deletes the offending post by a book-reader who knows better carelessly revealing by implication some future plot development. Banning book-readers doesn't protect from malicious spoiling or from spoiling by new posters who don't know what's going on about spoiler control. These latter two constitute a far greater risk to TV-only consumers. IDK if there has even been one instance of the former case since the attitude re spoilers was made clear.
The reward isn't book-readers getting to post. That's ridiculous. Book readers get to post ITT already. The reward is that non-book-readers get to read a wider range of opinion, insight and information than they would if a sizeable portion of potential contributors is banned from the thread. TV-only viewer posters do not between them contribute as wide a range of thread content as would be available to them if book readers were allowed to post in a non-spoilery way.
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
Seems pretty clearly high risk low reward. This has been the entire point we've been trying to make - that the potential risk of TV only viewers being spoiled or receiving book info outweighs whatever benefits there are to having book readers post in the TV thread (and I'm still not seeing much in the way of benefits there. Certainly not for the TV only viewers at least).
Seems like you just provided a prime example to support my claim that people are bad at risk-reward analysis. You way overblow the risk that dedicated book-reading posters pose. You fail to recognize that almost all spoil risk is not covered by the ban. You totally fail to understand the nature of the benefit to be enjoyed by those you are trying to protect.
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Originally Posted by Wubbie075
OMFG can we have book readers banned from this thread too??
Look, I made a post or two early on in the other thread, but I stopped because I felt so constrained about what I should and should not say and it just was not fun. I'm happy posting here (or will be once this discussion finally dies). There is absolutely no need whatsoever for any of us to post in there. The "service" book readers perform in the other thread can be done by reporting spoilery posts to mods and requires no actual posting. Just lurk in the other thread for the lulz and leave the posting to those who have not read the books.
Somebody else who fails to understand that the biggest value a forum has to offer readers is content, and that limiting content sources from threads devalues the threads.
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Originally Posted by mikelbyl
I would LOVE it if we could simply ban META from the book reader thread, i.e., THIS ONE. (Meta = talking about the discussions, rather than discussions about the subject matter). What does or does not happen in the TV watcher thread has very little to do with this at this point. May have been relevant in the past, but it's not now.
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
I'm all for that. Also meta meta stuff is banned, startingggggggggggg NOW
I guess the best place to be talking about spoiler control via paranoid xenophobia, and similar subjects, is in ATF, but since nobody else seems to have moved the discussion there, I wasn't going to be the first. Mods, perhaps you can suggest/enforce such a transfer.
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Originally Posted by darO
Is it that hard to just not post in that thread guys?
Not at all. It's no skin off my nose if I can only post ITT. I'm arguing on behalf of the interest of people who have read only some of the books, who will be unable to safely post anywhere if banned from the other thread, and the interests of non-readers, who will be exposed to less content if book-readers are fully banned from the other thread. If the vast majority of nonreaders doesn't want us, OK, ****'em. We'll post here only, and probably be less motivated to read the other thread, and hence provide spoiler protection. But so far I think it is only a vocal minority of paranoid and selfish fools who think the world would be a better place with a ban in effect.