You could argue that anyone originally supporting Renly was not acting "lawfully". At best, they supported him because they thought he would be the best king (or in Brienne's case, because she was in love with him), not because they thought he had any legal right to it.

Barristan is a better example of lawful good, because you do observe him place his duty above what he things will achieve the most beneficial end (e.g. in his defense of King Aerys). And in his final chapters, you see him internally wrestling with how he can technically conform to his duty while still doing what he perceives is right. He is finally willing to turn against Hizdahr, despite being Queensguard and Hizdahr being the King, because the duty of the Queensguard with respect to the Queen's spouse was by tradition unclear unless the Queen has specifically charged him with protecting her husband.

What about Loras?

I know cersei originally kind of refuses in the book, but that was fairly rapey.

Kingslayer, oath breaker, man without honor, rapist

And still a fan favorite.

Why would Mance Rayder have to torture the deserters for them to tell him how many men are at Castle Black? He'd probably let them join. Tough to question their loyalty when they show you the body of the Lord Commander they killed.

Sam and gilly are going to be the new tyrion/shae...vomit

really missed strong belwas this ep. also my least favorite ep this season. didn't care for arya's and sam's scenes.

Why did they recast Tommen with an actor who is so much older? He's going to have to play a much different sort of character than he is in the books.

–]The-Nard-Dog 495 points 1 hour ago* (536|40)
tywin: what did all of these kings lack
tommen: kittens
tommen: a good king needs kittens
tywin: no that's not --
tommen: bring me a kitten

The single combat between Strong Belwas and the champion is one of my favorite parts in the book. I understand why they cut em out of the show though.

After seeing Daario again I have to say that he indeed does suck.

I don't know. Feeling a little meh with the show (and like I need to reread the books to cleanse my pallet). They're completely botching the characters of Cersei and Jaime. They're turning the hound into a comedy routine. And they're going to completely change the story of Tommen by aging him up.

That's not to add how they're doing a total disservice to the Viper's character. I mean, there's so much the show watching crowd doesn't know, and some throw-away line about how the Viper studied poisons at the citadel doesn't cut it, not when the character's nickname is THE VIPER, because he fights with a blade edged in poison.


Anyway, I feel like show runners are really only writing the show for the shocking scenes and people are mistaking shocking scenes for good television (same thing happened with the walking dead at first). Since they're so bad at writing compelling characters and not assassinating the trope-diverting characters Martin has written that when we get to the slow books, they'll be ****ed. Like seriously ****ed.

I didn't hate the Dany scene. Where have her Dothraki gone? She still has at least one living bloodrider. They probably would have been doing mounted scout things but still would have deserved a mention from Dany as a potential champion.

Next week previews


Probably mentioned his time at the Citadel since it becomes a location next season (or sometime). And he did forge a few links in the books. But yeah they could have mentioned the duel where he killed the Yronwood.

http://imgur.com/gallery/Y3UGH Also this is hilarious.

I love the Alliser Thorne character. Episode was meh overall though.

one week and a reveal later, still wrong

I don't understand why they changed the order of events at the Wall. It would have been great to see Jon Snow leading the defense of Castle Black with the remnants left, before Thorne, Slynt, etc. show up. Having the raiding party of wildlings south of the Wall announce their presence is stupid too--it undercuts the value of Jon's having gone undercover. Now the only "intel" that Jon has to share is that he lied to Mance about their numbers.

So far, they've cut out most of the things that Jon does in the book that make his election as Lord Commander reasonable.

Yeah what I mean to say is that I hate everything but they way they've realized the Thorne character.

Show is regressing a lot in quality.

It could hit AIDS if they keep fast forwarding through the story with only shock scenes. The visuals are always fun but as a book reader im not enjoying the show at all this season.

that was one of the best episodes of the show even tho **** was different

Not the best episode ever, but let's not overreact...

so far:
episode 01: 7.5
episode 02: 9
episode 03: 6.5

No offense but this is laughable. I'm a book purist and at one point would have preferred if every season was 20 eps and they removed no material at all from the books.

Now I couldn't care less.

might be the weakest episode of the show for me.

They really butchered the jaime and cersei scene... felt like some parts of it was filler. I guess they cant just show 2 minutes of samwell and 2 minutes of arya/hound (probably couldve skipped arya hound entirely this week).

Davos still one of the GOATs, niggits!

Opened the other thread and everyone is complaining about being spoiled. In the season book readers are actively banned from that thread. Seems like it was real effective at keeping spoilers out.

Anyway, definitely below ep 1 and 2 quality wise. Didn't like the rapeyness of Jaime/Cersei. Don't care about Sam/Gilly. Hound/Arya scene did nothing besides people like seeing them on screen. Dany was ok. Tywin was good. LF's speech was good.

Hopefully next episode picks up the pace again.