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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
what I said to ChrisV above. go read the @poorquentyn 7 part series on Quentyn and then tell me how bad ADWD was.
I read ADWD, I know how bad it was. Based on the part you quoted, uh, huh, no. ONE discursive rambling plotline as metacommentary I could buy, but Quentyn was just the worst of several. GRRM lost his internal editor(or, possibly, his external editor when his assistant left to go write the Expanse) and fell in love with his world.
I absolutely deny that entire reading as fanboy nonsense, and as evidence I would present that guy's insufferable ****ing writing style and also the rest of his blog which is defending other parts of ADWD.
That ****
reeks of a guy who has never read a real ****ing book in his life, moved from typical genre trash(Harry Potter, Robert Jordan, Weis&Hickman, Star Trek books, whatever) to GRRM and was blown away(common reaction among nerds of that age!), but then just stopped.
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the books aren't bad, they just went to some unexpected places people weren't prepared to go or didn't want to go. many people didn't enjoy reading about the deconstruction of the hero in Quentyn - they would rather have just more Red Weddings. fair enough. but the work was solid.
I don't care if he was trying to be boring or accidentally was boring, what I care about is that it was boring as hell. That's why they cut all those parts out of the show and tried to replace them with original content, which mostly failed for reasons that elude me. They had like FIVE YEARS to think about this ****.
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and, the entire Euron plot is set to explode in the next books. the Iron Islanders plot lines after book 3 laid the foundation for all that.
it's not surprising the show chose not to go there. but certainly it's not the books fault at all that the show suffered.
you can't blame GRRM for this:
Yeah I can,
there should never have been a Dorne plotline at all. Completely pointless in the books, equally pointless but chopped down to a disjointed weird truncated story that probably just confused inattentive non-book reading viewers in the show.
One of the issues with B4+ vs. S5+ is that for better or worse, the later books are awash in world building and exploration. GRRM clearly loves Westeros, he loves every part of it, he loves telling us about the impossibly detailed meals that unimportant characters have. So the failings of the plot and character in the later books was, for some readers, outweighed or at least balanced a bit by the richness of the soup and pie they were served every single chapter.
The show doesn't have that, it can't have that. All it has is plot and characters. And ever since Tyrion left King's Landing, those have been bad.