I think it's pretty clear they want him portrayed as Ned 2.0. Too brave and honorable to be smart, at least at this point in time, maybe he learned his lesson after the battle of the bastards.

I have griped about how many times Jon has gotten his ass kicked and been bailed out, but I think when they inevitably turn him into a total badass (a little of this was in s7 trailer) it will probably be worth it.

Seems like they're setting it up to be Sansa's brains, Jon's brawn, Arya's cunning, and Bran's wisdom vs the world.

except sansa doesn't have brains

That's not really true anymore, even if it was in the first couple of seasons. And 'being 12' and 'dumb' are pretty similar things anyway.

I assume the same too, but I'd replace 'brawn' with 'leadership'. He's good at getting people to follow him, and I agree with others here that he isn't the world's best fighter.

yeah sansa was a genius the way she didn't think it was worth mentioning to jon that another army was gonna join the battle of the bastards

Sansa is one of the characters the show has gotten terribly wrong.
I believe she will be an expert player of the GoT over the last books.

Seems like they are taking here in the same direction imo, since she came down the stairs with that black dress. The bit about not warning Jon about the help during battle was simply to make things more exciting for the viewers, so bad writing. Not really connected to her character development. Character ****ed over the most by the writers is clearly Jaime.

Smashed my way through the final book last week!

When is the next one coming out?? It's been like 4 days already, ridiculous!!

Disagree. Black dress was in season 4. After that she got a victim role again, when LF sold her to the Boltons. Last season she let a bastard zombie be hailed king in the north, when she actually had a claim as last known living Stark.

I think the showrunners are very kind to Jamie. He has a clear redemption arc in the show (standard TV trope) which is much less clear in the books which keeps him more gray

how can you possibly think that?
I don't even...
In the books he burns Cersei's letter, finally realizing she's a crazy *****. In the show he's still in love and basically raped her.

what Jaime does at the siege of Riverrun is pretty evil, and as a representative of an evil family

Poor Quentyn:

well, most characters have done good and bad things, that's the whole point of the story. he's doing the best for his family (name, at least). and lol at taking edmure's emotional state into consideration.
in the show he says **** like "i'm going to kill everybody just for you cersei". in the books he does **** because he wants to write **** on the white book.

Jaime Lannister
no wonder he's trying to **** **** up

I think the show and GRRM have both kind of butchered Jamie TBH. Of course the book version is better but, in both cases, trying to make Jamie seem morally ambiguous after he shoved Bran out a window without hesitation and chuckled about it after is silly IMO.

He's aged several years during the story, it's perfectly possible for people to change.

I don't really consider what Jaime does at Riverrun to be evil. To begin with I believe he thinks or says something along the lines of "I hope that they don't call my bluff" because he's not really prepared to send an infant over the walls with a catapult. He's very much attempting to end the conflict with as little bloodshed as possible which is admirable, and the outcome of this situation has been decided already anyways. Riverrun isn't going to win, so while storming the castle might be more "honorable" his threat saves a lot of lives on both sides.

Also this is the very beginning of his arc, maybe even more of a prequel since this happens during the interim period that is AFFC. This is the first thing he's done since leaving Cersei at KL which is a major major turning point in his character. Most of the redemption arc is just theory at this point, but it makes a lot of sense for GRRM to take him that way.

We will know straight away this Sunday what is and what ain't with Jamie imo. He just got back to KL with Bronn to see the smoldering Sept and his sister sitting on the throne. What he does from here sets the course. FWIW he didn't appear particularly thrilled with what happened.

Ah yes, it's easy to forget that his last son is dead, even if he can't admit it publicly.

I think I posted here before.. during the last trailer cersei is standing on a map of westeros. while she's standing over the neck, jaime is standing over the fingers...

Yeah I'm always surprised how many readers support Jaime and seem to totally forget the whole crippling a 10 year old kid thing.

Even in his POV he always talks about how he's looked down on for killing the Mad King (which was a totally justified action to save the city from burning), but he never shows any remorse for throwing Bran out a window. I don't see how readers can root for him.

Worked for that Darth Vader guy.

Just listened to the first one and really enjoyed. At 30 minutes+ each it probably isn't saving me much time over just watching the entire series, but I enjoy their takes. Thanks for recommending

Been listening to them at 2x speed.

They've had a couple takes I disagree with, like saying that they are both super confident that Tyrion is Aerys's son and then using a ton of book only info as their evidence. If they were going to play that card on the show I think they would have dropped hints in the actual show.

My least favorite change that the show did was when Jaime killed his cousin.

it was totally unnecessary for jamie to kill his cousin to escape. all it did was get the guard to come into the jail. plenty of other ways to do that besides killing your cousin.


also, in the show if you watch jamie closely, he's upset about having to kill bran. i mean he does it anyway, obviously. but there is remorse there for whatever that's worth. someone said he shows no remorse.