your spoiler sums up my thoughts.

sounds sick!

Pretty solid.

Haha, I've always speculated about this guy... I just don't think that I could possibly care less if anybody over there gets spoiled or not.

Solid conclusions? Or are you implying he's spoilerered?

skinny: that sounded like the highlight of the episode to me as well. i originally thought it would involve brienne but i think this way makes more sense.

i hope no one gets spoilered but im not going to help police a thread i cant post in.

still dont think anyone could come to r l j conclusion purely from the show.

i haven't read the other thread much, but i think the R+L=J theory has been kicked around there for a while now. it's not possible for a show watcher to come into that conclusion, but since someone has introduced it into the discussion, people will perpetuate the idea

My guess is the people posting the RL=J theory over there are show watchers only who were inadvertently spoiled without their knowledge by asshats posting in their threads previously.

possibly

or they read the wikis

You guys are ridiculous. It's really not that hard to come up with the R+L=J theory from the show alone. All I can see from that guys post is that he is probably one of the more obsessive viewers.

Disagree. I just finished re watching all 3 seasons with my wife. Beforehand I semi-spoilered her that there's a mystery surround Jon's parents. We watched specifically looking for clues of this nature. There are a few as mentioned by that poster but they're few and spread out. Even knowing the truth it's s big leap I feel to jump to R+L=J. My wife certainly didn't even with some careful nudging in the right direction.

no. it's not possible.

come on, whip out your occam's razor for a bit here.

the obvious explanation is that sometime during the past three seasons, some "show watcher" "speculated" this idea of R+L=J into the thread. and then, because it's the best solution for the question of Jon's parents, it's lived on.

by the end of this season they'll probably know as much as we do about R + L = J, who gives a ****.

lol no. almost all the r l j stuff happens in s1. on the show its pretty much just a few throw away lines. in the books theres a ton more foreshadowing because we can be inside neds head and also had decades worth of nerds nerding out.

so you think they are going to keep show watchers in the dark until the reveal? that doesn't make any sense. what I mean is: if it's really true, they'll find a way to give more hints throughout this season. they don't like showing ambigous things for people's interpretation.
s04e01 spoiler

Yeah that's probably it.

But all anyone needs to work out R+L=J is:

Ned is the most honourable dude ever so it's probably not his kid yet he is set on raising Jon like he is his son. Therefore it must be one of his siblings kids.

Robert went to war after Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna and has a hate boner for all things Targ which provides an explanation for why Ned must keep Jon's true identity a secret.

By Barristan's account Rhaegar is not a rapey kidnapper but an all around stand up guy.


Any obsessive show watcher can easily put those things together and work out that Jon is most like the spawn of Rhaegar and Lyanna. It's not some super cryptic secret that is impossible to work out without it being spelled out.

those are some very very unlikely threads to connect. especially when the show's Jon storyline has made no indication whatsoever that Ned isn't his father. it's taken as a given that he's an ordinary bastard.

you're right that it's not literally impossible, just incredibly unlikely. i'd like to hear if some show watcher somewhere has actually honestly reached that conclusion on their own?

our house

I think Doggz put it mostly together and imo he is a very credible non book reader.

And the evidence includes that Ned doesn't directly reference him as son in the show rather that he is of his blood and he also avoids talking to Jon about his mother. He is obviously very uncomfortable and unwilling to talk much about Jon's mother in his talk with Robert on the King's Road. Plus his defining characteristic is his honour and the only time we are shown him going against that is to protect his family (confessing his crimes to save his Arya and Sansa). Thus the viewer can infer that he will compromise his honour when it comes to protecting family but is highly unlikely to have dishonoured his marriage.

our house is obv spoiled, and i don't care if he keeps posting.

he swore to me he wasn't, so if i do find out he is or end up having to ban him from the thread(which I have already done once) he will be banned into bolivia.

lol 27o doing some serious work in other thread.
I have zero computer skills so no idea how u make those gifs but had me literally LOLing with both.

Our House is obviously spoiled in some way.

Why do you people care about those people anymore? They don't like you and treat you like ****.

oh well if 27o asked him and he said he's not a book reader then I guess he's not.

There's some good apples in there too alex.