im with skillgambler, been saying it for a long time, he is awful.

I'd like to make an actual DC television universe power rankings. Would Captain Cold be the nut worst?

Jeez this show fell apart since the Wells reveal. Last three or four eps were basically garbage.

I thought the show was going to start being good, relatively speaking, once grodd was introduced. Instead it's really been hot garbage. It seems clear to me that the show runners are stretched way too thin between flash and arrow. One of the best things on arrow was the fight scenes, now they just look awful.

i just dont understand why genius barry asked captain cold for help. it made less than zero sense. couldnt he just borrow the cold gun if thats what was needed? i guess we got that cool scene where scofield ordered his drink ice cold and then played "cold as ice" on the jukebox

ARGUS was only willing to supply a plane. Trying to get an escort from the police didn't work. Ollie wasn't available. Firestorm wasn't responding. I don't think they gave an explanation for why Ray Palmer couldn't make it, even though he sent some nanites later with Ollie, so there is that. Captain Cold isn't loaning out his gun. Barry could ask Cisco to whip up a weapon for someone like Joe to use, maybe even another cold gun.

Barry is desperate and running out of time. Arguably, he should have considered gambling on not having backup. But it makes sense that he might make a sub-optimal decision given the pressure.

Barry is not like Ollie. He is an optimist. In the comic books, he once wielded a blue lantern ring fueled by hope rather than willpower. He wanted to believe Leonard Snart had some level of basic human decency and would be willing to protect his city, which is why he offered him the original deal of not taking him down so long as he didn't kill anyone.

It was entirely within character for Barry to do what he did.

These are all convenient, lazy ways to have cc betray flash and I guess to free the prisoners for later eps.

What is your idea of a non-lazy way to have him betray the Flash?

Really?

If hiring a (wannabe) super villain and paying him upfront without planning to trick him and bring him down in the end is entirely within character for Barry, then he's a complete and utter ******, and anything but an exceptionally fast - let alone brilliant - thinker.

Seriously, the whole CC interaction/plot was the most ridiculously ******ed thing I've ever seen someone do on a TV show, and I watch a lot of shows, even some that are considered absolute garbage.

I'm not a hate-watcher fwiw, I enjoy the main story arc and will continue watching TF, but still.

He hasn't said he's a direct descendent of Eddie.

The only reason I'm being hard on the show is that arrow was good before this season and I expected much better from both this season. I'm sad to see the drop in quality. Now that my expectations are low I'm probably done commenting on the show unless the quality picks up.

I knew that 2p2 TV watchers were masters of nitpicking but this is just ridiculous.

No idea how Oliver could take down RV ?? That arrow could have been filled with time released elephant tranquilizer for all we know. It wasn't a normal arrow and RV was disoriented from the fall.

This show is great and has only gotten better. To suggest there's been a drop in quality last episodes is ludicrous.

If they get rid of RF I'm so dropping this show.

How exactly did the conversation go where Ollie told Ra's he was going to Starling?

Ollie: "Yo Ra's i've got to go help my super hero buddy take down his nemesis"
Ra's: "Errr we're kind of in the middle of some **** here, remember you're not Oliver Queen anymore right"
Ollie: "well yeaaa but he sort of needs my help in a really unspecified way"
Ra's:"....ok then no problem"

Also having a random team up where they face off with the main villain of the entire season / show tacked onto the end of a a distinctly poor rogues episode seems very clumsy in itself. Sure they want to set something up for the finale but this was a weak way to go.

I do agree about Oliver somehow being there was not really plausible and lazy writing.

But some other comments made here ... I mean you're watching a show based on a comic book where someone develops super speed and can travel back in time.

You would think people would be able to suspend disbelief more than they are .. nitpicking over minor details.

How many watchable live action TV shows based on comic book characters have been good ? The Flash is a masterpiece compared to the few ones televised in the past.

I think most nitpickers never read a comic book in their life if I had to guess. Those who have I'm sure are enjoying this show a lot more.

I think you can fanwank it as Barry asking for Ollie's help in putting together a strategy to deal with the Reverse Flash, since Ollie understands that stuff better, and Arrow bringing Palmer's nanites while suggesting having the least-threatening person inject the bad guy with something that diminishes him, the same ploy that was used against Slade Wilson.

Basically, RF>Flash, but RF vs Flash/Firestorm might level the playing field enough to distract RF so Arrow can hit him with the nanites.

I think that is a reasonable explanation. If that is what the writers were going for, how much of that needs to be part of some possibly-clunky exposition to satisfy you? I'd argue that the writers probably took them off the board as unavailable during the prisoner move because they wanted it to be a surprise when they showed up at the end, but they felt they had to mention them by name because Chekhov's gun. I won't argue that it worked from a creative perspective, but I do think it was at least plausible.

When Wells capture Eddie he mentions that Eddie is his insurance. Insurance against what? Losing to the flash? Why even abduct Eddie in the first place?
I imagine that will come in play in the final/next season. Hopefully it's not as lame as him taking Eddies place like he did Wells.

Since history can be changed now , if Eddie dies , so does RF's future I would think. He'll never have been born.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was protecting him somehow , ensuring he doesn't die until he returns to his own future.

fyp

pretty ****ty ending

nice Legends of Tomorrow easter eggs tho

Rip Hunter, Jay Garrick's helmet, killer frost confirmed, atom/cold/canary foreshadowing, hawkgirl

also, dafuk eddie I told you just to get a vasectomy. no need for suicidaments

This makes me feel pretty good. I could tell it was coming when Spy Daddy Dr. Stein started talking about coincidences.

The ending made the GOT sand snakes look good in comparison.

Paradoxes aside I thought it was great end to the season.

I kind of wish they didn't go into detail about the effects saving Barry's mom would have on the future if they were going to go with the whole "Eddie kills himself to stop the Reverse Flash" ending.

Time travel never holds up in single universe fiction.

Who says this is single universe?

I also like the touch of future Barry telling present Barry not to save his mom. They're clearly going somewhere with this

Also possible S2 opening headline: "Flash Disappears in Crisis"

interesting